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I know people are having real problems, but Ive got a question. I havent had a laptop in a long time. Im seeing people complain that they cant power an external monitor while on battery (the first quote in the article). Is it really expected now that a laptop can power an external monitor on battery?
 
Base 13" ntMBP pushing a 4K LG monitor, multiple safari windows including one running a video on youtube.

Estimated battery remaining: 4:43
 
Maybe it's because I'd been waiting two years for this redesigned MacBook Pro, but the disappointment following this product announcement seems enormous to me.

Let's see if lessons are learnt. It feels like a tipping point. Either this is where things start to improve, or Apple accelerates downhill.
Exactly!
 
Let's see if lessons are learnt. It feels like a tipping point. Either this is where things start to improve, or Apple accelerates downhill.

They should listen to Jobs. He sums it about pretty well in this interview, start around 39:53


"So they had this wonderful thing that a lot of brilliant people made, called the Macintosh…

and they got very greedy and instead of following the original trajectory of the original vision, which was to make this thing an appliance and get this thing out there to as many people as possible, they went for profits and made outlandish profits for about four years, one of the most profitabel companies in America for four years and what it cost them was their future.

because what they should have been doing is making rational profits and going for market share, which is what we always tried to do"
 
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I have a 15" 2.9Ghz, 512Gb, 16Gb RP 460, and get around 4 hrs surfing blogs in Safari with the brightness at 25%. This F*****g sucks. An online session with Apple involving my diagnostics info revealed an unusual drain on the battery, even though the machine was barely ticking over. I also get the occasional display glitch on boot up. Looks like I'll have to bring this into an Apple store, but how can they simply swap out the glued in batteries - likely I'll have to get a new machine in the middle of a job I just started. Welcome to Apple Appliance Co.

Do they still have a QA dept?

Otherwise I LOVE this machine.
My 2011 15" MBP 16GB 512 GB SSD gets close to that just using Safari. But it's 5 years old!
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Good thing they didn't include a 32GB option with a power-hungry memory system but shaved off 3mm and reduced battery capacity by 25%. Great job, Apple.
You're not thinking of the children (and beer cans) saved by using less aluminum.
 
People should open up Activity Monitor to see what's going on. If, for example, you've recently setup a new MacBook and you have a lot of iCloud photos and music, your laptop may well be beavering away furiously in the background for some time consuming power. It will also likely be doing content analysis and optimisation tasks to begin with. You will find similar gripes when users setup a new iPhone.
 
A majority of the people complaining about poor battery life are using Chrome and won't even entertain using Safari.

I partially agree with this. Chrome is absolutely horrendous on battery but Safari has gotten pretty bad too over the last few updates.
I love that the dGPU has to be turned on to animate the Message invisible inked messages. Really Apple?
 
A majority of the people complaining about poor battery life are using Chrome and won't even entertain using Safari.

And the one saying he was only watching Youtube videos was probably watching them in Chrome, with Flash... There's not a MacBook (or probably any computer) released that'll do that for more than 3 hours.

HTML5 in Safari though and it'll chew them up for 8-9 hours easily.
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I love that the dGPU has to be turned on to animate the Message invisible inked messages. Really Apple?

Does it? I need to get that GFX Switcher app again to see when it goes on and off - that is terrible.
 
He made no argument at all. Everyone knows that Chrome is terribly coded and a resource hog

My daughter runs chrome non stop on her 2011 mbp and still gets 5 hours.

You and others want to keep making excuses for this POS but I cant figure out why.
 
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sounds like people are getting the same battery life that I get on my 3+ year old late 2013 rMBP 15". Strange. I realize all these issues aren't effecting everyone but this really feels like a generation to sit out on.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if some of this is will be fixed in a macOS or firmware update. Skylake has some power management features that need software optimization.
 
You really can't use the battery status estimate as an indicator of actual battery life, especially in the first few cycles. It's just an estimate after all and it isn't perfect. It'll adjust and go up or down during use even when the power draw remains fairly constant.

To get an actual figure you'll have to drain the battery under the conditions of Apple's Wi-Fi test.

To do this, charge the laptop to 100% (leave it charging for at least 10-15 minutes after it says 100%). Unplug and use it only for browsing with Safari on Wi-Fi with a brightness no greater than 75% (12 clicks up from off). Don't open, use or switch to any other apps (or have them running in the background) except perhaps Text Edit or some other known low-power apps. You won't be able to do this in one sitting so close the laptop and "stop the clock" when it's asleep. The minimal power drain when asleep isn't significant. Keep track of the times it's in use such as when you start, stop and when it finally powers off. It may help to have an ad blocker installed in Safari.

Doing this should give you a figure of around 10 hours as claimed but I'd suggest 9 hours is acceptable. Less than 7-8 would be unacceptable and 5-6 would indicate a problem in my opinion, be it software (drivers) or hardware.

Make sure you test with adequate Wi-Fi signal strength as well.

Thanks for the insight. Hopefully others will see your response and learn not to interpret the -battery status estimate- at face value...even when trying to get a controlled estimate like I did.

I will edit my OP and point to your comment. Not trying to spread mis information here.
 
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Better to be thinner than to have all day battery life ;)
I'd prefer if the 13" MacBook Pro weighed half a pound less, even if they needed to use the 15W processors to make that possible. For me the 12" MacBook is the perfect size, but I also like the Touch Bar and Touch ID in the 13" Pro.
 
I know people are having real problems, but Ive got a question. I havent had a laptop in a long time. Im seeing people complain that they cant power an external monitor while on battery (the first quote in the article). Is it really expected now that a laptop can power an external monitor on battery?

Why not? Been hooking up my macbook to my tv since the 2009 model and not always could be bothered to plug it in
 
1) did you use Migration Assistant ? If yes, perform a re-install
2) are you using Sierra beta ? If yes, install regular Sierra
3) do a SMC/Pram reset

90% of users with problems have experienced better battery life with these 3 steps

Not running beta, tried zapping pram. this happens when I boot up from a backup copy of the pristine OS as well.
 
This is the "clear benefit" of having integrated hardware and software designed and built by the same company. As Tim says, "This is only something Apple can do."
 
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personally I have never seen anyone use an external display while on battery power with a laptop.

You've never seen someone "giving a PowerPoint" (or "KeyNote")?
You lucky, lucky person.
Sometimes people even use data projectors for useful things, like demoing software/websites.
 
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