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Bless the posts that a software fix is coming......no software fix can make your battery grow in size , or make your CPU use less power when doing intensive tasks...
 
Ahhhhh over a 1000 posts.....

Bless the posts that a software fix is coming......no software fix can make your battery grow in size , or make your CPU use less power when doing intensive tasks...

Why spread misinformation? If reports are true then the new point update for Sierra does indeed dramatically improve battery life.
 
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There are lots of good reasons to purchase these new MBP's. the much faster and far more capable GPU being one, the faster SSD being another and USBC/TB3 being a huge one. Dwelling on the processor performance is not doing anybody any good as a laptop is a whole package. This is something everyone needs to understand, there is good reason to go with one of these machines if you understand the technology embedded within.

To be fair, the much faster SSD and TB3 is also as relevant as CPU advances to most uses, they will not notice a practical day to day advantage, these are small incremental improvements, it's only people benchmarking gloating about SSD speed, and like previous generations of MacBooks almost no one uses THunderbolt, and if they do, they don't reach the limits.

The ones choose to....Like I have tried , frankly it's still bandwidth limited, so maybe TB4 is the real deal, TB3 is not future proof if it's limiting performace at present , I've tried a razer core and TB3 lost me about 15% performance...promising tech...
 
Ahhhhh over a 1000 posts.....

Bless the posts that a software fix is coming......no software fix can make your battery grow in size , or make your CPU use less power when doing intensive tasks...


basically, smoke and mirrors.

Let us grant them that yes chrome uses up its fair share of resources. And your share and my share lol. This would be indicative of what happens when a system is used more. Inb4 but its wasted use. Lets pretend this is actually useful work. its the same result...you aren't getting the mythical battery life they offered.

When you have power ratings measured in least work possible...its not a good thing imo. Especially when apple is using this as a determinant for features to not include. Arise 32 gb dead horse...arise lol.
 
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Why spread misinformation? If reports are true then the new point update for Sierra does indeed dramatically improve battery life.

Cause I'm using one at present.

I can get 9 hours battery life or I can get 3 hours , depends on the tasks and setting of my MacBook.

If people getting poor battery life, dropped the brightness of thier screen...quickest fix ever...

The fact is I use mine for intensive CPU tasks, and at load the new CPU uses the same power as the old, and with the battery some 30% smaller, I am getting that much less battery .....

If software changes settings to get more battery great, the fundamental issue here is a smaller battery though.
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For the last decade+ of MB Pro (Powerbook prior to that) release cycles, I have been wait-and-buy. This whole MB Pro release has put me firmly into wait-and-see mode. This time instead of buying the most loaded 15" on offer, I'm buying an SSD upgrade kit from OWC for my otherwise maxed-out 2013 MB Pro Retina, and that's it for the next few years or perhaps...that's just it. Who knows what will be released by the Windows camp in the next few years? This is the risk Apple is taking by so solidly under-delivering on expectations.

Staunch Apple supporter since 1985, power user since the late 90's, and now gone from enthusiastic early adopter to....meh. Not saying that Apple is dead, not saying I'm giving up. Just that this cycle is different. Form over function, gimmickry over performance. Incremental improvements, more than incremental price increase. The value just isn't there.

A worrisome trend for myself. One that should also be, for Apple, but I'm sure, isn't. But if you can alienate me, you can alienate anyone.

Amen. I bought a refurb 2015 max unit at the same time as the 2016, £1000 price differnce. Keeping the refurb, very good Machine, the 2016 is going back , I share your thoughts on it .
 
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Amen. I bought a refurb 2015 max unit at the same time as the 2016, £1000 price differnce. Keeping the refurb, very good Machine, the 2016 is going back , I share your thoughts on it .

A few months ago I bought a mid-2015 MBP 13" as my everyday computer. It's the fastest machine I've ever owned, has a decent retina screen, decent sound, is light and has lots of ports for my legacy accessories. I couldn't be happier. That said, it's not quite as svelte as the new ones, but I paid €1399 EUROS for it instead of the comparable €1699 for the new one including the early adopter tax. One day, I will enjoy a revision B or C of the current machine. After all, the mid-2015s went through a couple of changes after it was launched, too, so nothing is forever.
 
A few months ago I bought a mid-2015 MBP 13" as my everyday computer. It's the fastest machine I've ever owned, has a decent retina screen, decent sound, is light and has lots of ports for my legacy accessories. I couldn't be happier. That said, it's not quite as svelte as the new ones, but I paid €1399 EUROS for it instead of the comparable €1699 for the new one including the early adopter tax. One day, I will enjoy a revision B or C of the current machine. After all, the mid-2015s went through a couple of changes after it was launched, too, so nothing is forever.

Yeah I bought the 2012 model at launch, wish I waited a year, nice improvements in the next rev
 
Macbook Pro late 2016 15 inch 2.6 i7 and 4GB VRAM. Just got mine yesterday. At 100% percent it said 7,5 hours remaining... But now 1,5 hours later it is still 7,5 hours remaining. This is still the first charge ever so I guess that it will improve in the next couple of days. 80 % brightness and using outlook and safari for browsing.
 

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It isn't that simple really.

First if you put a smaller battery in a machine you have to expect that battery life will be impacted when the hardware is fully exploited. For many users this doesn't happen often. Beyond that the 2015 models aren't great for battery life anytime software that uses the processors intensely is in operation. My 2015 13" can get terrible battery life when running a re-encode of a youtube download. The problem of course is that when a real professional picks up a MBP they expect to run pro software which is often processor intensive. In this case a smaller battery is never a good option.

Like it or not the new machines are very innovative especially with respect to ports and future viability. The MBP can be a real power house when at aa desk connected to high performance gear. The I/O bandwidth and the fast internal SSD ensure very high overall performance.

The new GPU is a huge advancement over the old chips. One can't underestimate its importance to many users. In fact for some users the new GPU can justify the entire machine purchase.

Further don't fall into the trap of blaming Apple. People on this forum have been warning people for over a year that Intel didn't have a viable up grade chip for the MBP, yet these same people would argue constantly that they did. This isn't rocket science boys, Intel has failed miserably to move ahead processor performance, at least in a way that is noticeable to the majority of users. One can blame Apple all they want but nobody has yet to show me an Intel chip that actually has a noticeable improvement with respect to older CPU's. Depending upon the user sometimes you are lucky to see 3-5% in the better benchmarks.

It should be noted that this won't get better in the near future as Intel moves to support AI and other features in future processors. Your only avenue to improvement is more cores and that only really helps if you can maintain single thread performance.

Unfortunately, Kaby Lake's CPU appears to consume even more power than the Skylake CPUs in the current MBPs. One can only hope AMD can pull a rabbit out of its hat with Zen.
 
I had tons of issues with the older internet explorers, yet I can't recall any issues with Safari. Safari integrates with iCloud and is not a resource hog, so aside from getting pats on the back in the circle jerk mess Mac Rumors has become, why is Safari bad?
As a coder and web developer speaking: because it is holding back the evolution of the web, especially the mobile web. Consumers don't really care about this, but after a couple of years, it is going to bite them too - like in the naughts when a lot of forward-looking features could not really be used due to IE's dominance. Now Apple is holding the web hostage since they do not allow any other browser on their iDevices.

I am not pulling this out of my ass, here's current desktop browser compliance in an overview. Can you spot the one browser trailing ALL others? Scroll down to "timeline" and see how it used to be different with Safari in a top place till about 2012.

Surely, it is better on tablets due to Windows Mobile being such a joke? Nope

Maybe phones? the iPhone is Apple's money-maker after all? You guessed it at that point

Apple does not attend developer conferences, it takes no feedback, it just sits there and lets the browser languish. Google split their Chrome sources from WebKit because Apple did not work with them anymore.

If you got some time, go read this article why Apple's browser is universally hated by the people who have to work with it. Or this reply which is a bit more measured but also very concerned.

It's real fun to read the experts here blabbing about the code quality of Chrome (as if they could code their way out of their bed) instead of realizing that Safari might offer bling and integrate with iCloud, but rests on rotting foundations.
 
Have had my 13" for a week. Had to pull out my 'old' 2014 MBP 15" today to do a couple of things with it before it goes up for sale. It felt like a giant elephant laptop. Not gonna miss it.

Oh, and before I forget - all of you pretend Apple fanboys who moan on here to no end just because you like to moan, go buy a Surface or something and move over to the Microsoft forums and moan over there
 
"Currently I'm powering a 1080p external monitor and casually browsing with Chrome. At full charge, I'm getting an estimate of 3 hours battery life. With gaming it's even less"

Although I still think this Macbook Pro was a miss all around, this is absolutely not what a laptop on battery is intended to do.
 
Have had my 13" for a week. Had to pull out my 'old' 2014 MBP 15" today to do a couple of things with it before it goes up for sale. It felt like a giant elephant laptop. Not gonna miss it.

Oh, and before I forget - all of you pretend Apple fanboys who moan on here to no end just because you like to moan, go buy a Surface or something and move over to the Microsoft forums and moan over there

This type of moaning is just about as common as the other kind of moaning you're moaning about.

The point is, your post is no better.
 
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Major graphics issues; major battery-life issues; a headline feature nobody wanted that removed a feature everybody wanted; three quarters of the useful ports removed; a terrific safeguard against ripping the power cable out/pulling the computer off a desk gone. Yours starting at a couple thousand bucks.

But hey, at least the damn car is proceeding.

"major battery-life issues" - software related. They need to get Sierra in order. My reinstall fixed my issues.

"that removed a feature everybody wanted" - what feature?

"three quarters of the useful ports removed" - I only ever use USB-A and rarely. Only when copying photos from my camera, or backing up my machine. USB-A to USB-C cable purchased. Done. And it's faster. And more USB ports than my 2010 MBP. And I can plug in my power on either side.

I do agree with magsafe. They better create an official solution for that.
 
All of those problems, and I'm happy I waited. Once they bring an update to the OS to fix all of those issues, I will go and buy a new 15". It if takes too long, I'll wait for the next version.
My "aging" 2013 15" is still pretty nice.
 
Also, the SD card reader was woefully outdated. There are newer SD card standards it didn't support. Plus, its only SD. not CF ect. All photographers, cameramen I know have card readers so they can plug all types in and hardly used the built in slot.

Word. I use CF in my pro camera, so I need a reader no matter what - or at least a usb cable.
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On my new MacBook Pro 2016 15" w/ Touch Bar spec'd with 512GB SSD and Radeon 455, I ran Apple's iTunes Media Playback Test:

  • On Battery from 100% Charge
  • 1080P Video, Fullscreen - Captain Phillips in this case
  • 75% Brightness - 12 Clicks up from off (disabled auto brightness)
  • I killed all other running apps/processes that weren't Apple Native before unplugging
  • (You'll see a few items grayed out in the list that were closed before unplugging, a few would not close but they're energy impact was minimal (0.01 or less))
  • I used gfxStatus to explicitly set it to use the Integrated Graphics
I've attached my results:

3:43 (3 Hours and 43 Minutes) w/ 2% Battery Life Remaining (0:03)

Basic easy test to do and the results were disappointing.

4 hours of 1080p video doesn't seem bad. Also, does gfxStatus work on these? I swore I read it was buggy on the new ones. I uninstalled it.
 
Is that hours or minutes?

Trying to troll? It's hours, I'm honestly not sure what people are talking about with low battery life. Of course if you use it more heavily it won't meet their benchmarks.
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Word. I use CF in my pro camera, so I need a reader no matter what - or at least a usb cable.
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4 hours of 1080p video doesn't seem bad. Also, does gfxStatus work on these? I swore I read it was buggy on the new ones. I uninstalled it.

Why are people using 3rd party to force graphics? It's an option in system preferences already. **edit** oh never mind! I thought y'all were referring to dedicated graphics. My bad.
 
I'm at 82% charge, mid-level brightness, on a 460 pro. I'm literally just browsing the forums (i.e. I ONLY have Safari open, and 1 tab (right at this moment writing this))... it says 3 hours 47 min remaining... WTF?
 
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