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Bless the posts that a software fix is coming......no software fix can make your battery grow in size , or make your CPU use less power when doing intensive tasks...
There are lots of good reasons to purchase these new MBP's. the much faster and far more capable GPU being one, the faster SSD being another and USBC/TB3 being a huge one. Dwelling on the processor performance is not doing anybody any good as a laptop is a whole package. This is something everyone needs to understand, there is good reason to go with one of these machines if you understand the technology embedded within.
Ahhhhh over a 1000 posts.....
Bless the posts that a software fix is coming......no software fix can make your battery grow in size , or make your CPU use less power when doing intensive tasks...
Why spread misinformation? If reports are true then the new point update for Sierra does indeed dramatically improve battery life.
For the last decade+ of MB Pro (Powerbook prior to that) release cycles, I have been wait-and-buy. This whole MB Pro release has put me firmly into wait-and-see mode. This time instead of buying the most loaded 15" on offer, I'm buying an SSD upgrade kit from OWC for my otherwise maxed-out 2013 MB Pro Retina, and that's it for the next few years or perhaps...that's just it. Who knows what will be released by the Windows camp in the next few years? This is the risk Apple is taking by so solidly under-delivering on expectations.
Staunch Apple supporter since 1985, power user since the late 90's, and now gone from enthusiastic early adopter to....meh. Not saying that Apple is dead, not saying I'm giving up. Just that this cycle is different. Form over function, gimmickry over performance. Incremental improvements, more than incremental price increase. The value just isn't there.
A worrisome trend for myself. One that should also be, for Apple, but I'm sure, isn't. But if you can alienate me, you can alienate anyone.
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Amen. I bought a refurb 2015 max unit at the same time as the 2016, £1000 price differnce. Keeping the refurb, very good Machine, the 2016 is going back , I share your thoughts on it .
A few months ago I bought a mid-2015 MBP 13" as my everyday computer. It's the fastest machine I've ever owned, has a decent retina screen, decent sound, is light and has lots of ports for my legacy accessories. I couldn't be happier. That said, it's not quite as svelte as the new ones, but I paid €1399 EUROS for it instead of the comparable €1699 for the new one including the early adopter tax. One day, I will enjoy a revision B or C of the current machine. After all, the mid-2015s went through a couple of changes after it was launched, too, so nothing is forever.
Why spread misinformation? If reports are true then the new point update for Sierra does indeed dramatically improve battery life.
It isn't that simple really.
First if you put a smaller battery in a machine you have to expect that battery life will be impacted when the hardware is fully exploited. For many users this doesn't happen often. Beyond that the 2015 models aren't great for battery life anytime software that uses the processors intensely is in operation. My 2015 13" can get terrible battery life when running a re-encode of a youtube download. The problem of course is that when a real professional picks up a MBP they expect to run pro software which is often processor intensive. In this case a smaller battery is never a good option.
Like it or not the new machines are very innovative especially with respect to ports and future viability. The MBP can be a real power house when at aa desk connected to high performance gear. The I/O bandwidth and the fast internal SSD ensure very high overall performance.
The new GPU is a huge advancement over the old chips. One can't underestimate its importance to many users. In fact for some users the new GPU can justify the entire machine purchase.
Further don't fall into the trap of blaming Apple. People on this forum have been warning people for over a year that Intel didn't have a viable up grade chip for the MBP, yet these same people would argue constantly that they did. This isn't rocket science boys, Intel has failed miserably to move ahead processor performance, at least in a way that is noticeable to the majority of users. One can blame Apple all they want but nobody has yet to show me an Intel chip that actually has a noticeable improvement with respect to older CPU's. Depending upon the user sometimes you are lucky to see 3-5% in the better benchmarks.
It should be noted that this won't get better in the near future as Intel moves to support AI and other features in future processors. Your only avenue to improvement is more cores and that only really helps if you can maintain single thread performance.
As a coder and web developer speaking: because it is holding back the evolution of the web, especially the mobile web. Consumers don't really care about this, but after a couple of years, it is going to bite them too - like in the naughts when a lot of forward-looking features could not really be used due to IE's dominance. Now Apple is holding the web hostage since they do not allow any other browser on their iDevices.I had tons of issues with the older internet explorers, yet I can't recall any issues with Safari. Safari integrates with iCloud and is not a resource hog, so aside from getting pats on the back in the circle jerk mess Mac Rumors has become, why is Safari bad?
Have had my 13" for a week. Had to pull out my 'old' 2014 MBP 15" today to do a couple of things with it before it goes up for sale. It felt like a giant elephant laptop. Not gonna miss it.
Oh, and before I forget - all of you pretend Apple fanboys who moan on here to no end just because you like to moan, go buy a Surface or something and move over to the Microsoft forums and moan over there
Jep ... lasts until 95% battery life.. after this 5-6h remaining![]()
Major graphics issues; major battery-life issues; a headline feature nobody wanted that removed a feature everybody wanted; three quarters of the useful ports removed; a terrific safeguard against ripping the power cable out/pulling the computer off a desk gone. Yours starting at a couple thousand bucks.
But hey, at least the damn car is proceeding.
Also, the SD card reader was woefully outdated. There are newer SD card standards it didn't support. Plus, its only SD. not CF ect. All photographers, cameramen I know have card readers so they can plug all types in and hardly used the built in slot.
On my new MacBook Pro 2016 15" w/ Touch Bar spec'd with 512GB SSD and Radeon 455, I ran Apple's iTunes Media Playback Test:
I've attached my results:
- On Battery from 100% Charge
- 1080P Video, Fullscreen - Captain Phillips in this case
- 75% Brightness - 12 Clicks up from off (disabled auto brightness)
- I killed all other running apps/processes that weren't Apple Native before unplugging
- (You'll see a few items grayed out in the list that were closed before unplugging, a few would not close but they're energy impact was minimal (0.01 or less))
- I used gfxStatus to explicitly set it to use the Integrated Graphics
3:43 (3 Hours and 43 Minutes) w/ 2% Battery Life Remaining (0:03)
Basic easy test to do and the results were disappointing.
Is that hours or minutes?
Word. I use CF in my pro camera, so I need a reader no matter what - or at least a usb cable.
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4 hours of 1080p video doesn't seem bad. Also, does gfxStatus work on these? I swore I read it was buggy on the new ones. I uninstalled it.
What is funny is that people whine about the new Apple products and yet still buy them. .
I did not. I sent my 3,500$ machine back. They can keep it.