Really? Apple is by any real means the top tech company right now? The only pro uses that is cut off from their lineup is a niche market of video editors that need desktops for their work. And apple WILL release an updated Mac Pro when the intel timeline catches up and they can revive the mac pro with good specs. They didn't update it now because it simply wouldn't make since. Quad core kaby lake doesn't exist and apple knows better than to release a powerhouse desktop with year old processors, for laptops the 6th gen was fine as it will be relevant for everything but HIGH end video editing for the next four years.
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MacBook Pro With Touch Bar Now Available for Purchase at Some Apple Retail Stores
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Really? Apple is by any real means the top tech company right now? The only pro uses that is cut off from their lineup is a niche market of video editors that need desktops for their work. And apple WILL release an updated Mac Pro when the intel timeline catches up and they can revive the mac pro with good specs. They didn't update it now because it simply wouldn't make since. Quad core kaby lake doesn't exist and apple knows better than to release a powerhouse desktop with year old processors, for laptops the 6th gen was fine as it will be relevant for everything but HIGH end video editing for the next four years.
I tried one out locally. Great display, trackpad, build quality. Touch id nice.
The touch bar. I'm now in the has potential camp. I don't need constant access to media play controls, brightness, launchpad, mission control. I am 100% ok with those being contextual buttons, shortcuts, or gestures. They should be replaced by user customizable system buttons. Things that are currently 3-button shortcuts.
I have often wished for a dedicated reliable microphone mute, without dedicating an Fn. Every Fn is important within different apps. If that had been in the customizable system [non-contextual] options, I would have ordered on the spot. That is now a user-hack or update away.
The contextual controls leave room to mature. But media play control buttons only in a media player are perfect use case.
The Fn keys are a modifier key away. I forgot to check if the Fn modifier could be set to toggle instead of momentary.
I strongly dislike touch screen on a keyboard centric platform. The touch bar however works.
The touch bar. I'm now in the has potential camp. I don't need constant access to media play controls, brightness, launchpad, mission control. I am 100% ok with those being contextual buttons, shortcuts, or gestures. They should be replaced by user customizable system buttons. Things that are currently 3-button shortcuts.
I have often wished for a dedicated reliable microphone mute, without dedicating an Fn. Every Fn is important within different apps. If that had been in the customizable system [non-contextual] options, I would have ordered on the spot. That is now a user-hack or update away.
The contextual controls leave room to mature. But media play control buttons only in a media player are perfect use case.
The Fn keys are a modifier key away. I forgot to check if the Fn modifier could be set to toggle instead of momentary.
I strongly dislike touch screen on a keyboard centric platform. The touch bar however works.
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I dunno. I think most people will be fine out the door as is, perhaps a USB-A adapter here or there. We are not most people.
Pretty sure it's going to be widely available at Apple and Best Buy stores starting tomorrow. Ordering on Best Buy now states that the release date is November 16th.
Doesn't AMEX extend the warranty by one year from the ORIGINAL manufacturer warranty, extended warranties are excluded. Also, there is no AppleCare+ for Mac. Just AppleCare.
Well imagine you are the boss at Apple. You could develop products for the masses that are wowed by the latest color and how thin things are. These people represent 99% of the human population. Alternatively you could focus on "pros" like the people around here that will never be happy anyway.
Where do you think the easy money lies?
I agree with everything except the "Starting to cut off pro users" part. This has really been slowly happening since 2012 but no one at Apple has the balls to just come out and admit it.
It's not a packet of chewing gum ....
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The word 'pros' is throw about far too much to inflate people's egos. It's a tool, take it or leave it. Just marketing BS....pretend a machine is made for "pros" cause that must make or better and you therefore bump the price, same crap that was done on the iPads... Pro = price hike. It's a consumer machine like any other laptop.
I write code on mine and process pics/videos.... Pro my ass.... I can do the same on any laptop, I choose Apple as a personal preference.
It's Brea, CA...not La Brea, CA. 
Just a day after the first MacBook Pro with Touch Bar orders began arriving to customers, a select number of Apple retail stores have received stock and are offering limited quantities of the new machine.
MacRumors reader Nicholas was able to purchase a new 15-inch MacBook Pro at the Apple Store in La Brea, California, and according to a Reddit thread, several other stores across California have also been selling Touch Bar MacBook Pro models. New MacBook Pros have been spotted in Rancho Cucamonga, Fairview, Emeryville, and Walnut Creek, and one Redditor claims to have purchased a 13-inch MacBook Pro from the Soho Apple Store in New York, while a MacRumors reader says he found a MacBook Pro in New Jersey.
In other parts of the United States, stores do not yet have Touch Bar MacBook Pro models available for purchase, but multiple customers have been told to expect the machines to be in stock starting tomorrow. At some locations, however, customers have been told no MacBook Pro models will be available before Thanksgiving, so country-wide in-store availability may not happen for a few weeks.
Along with limited stock, Apple retail stores are expected to have display models on hand before the end of the week. In Hong Kong, the Touch Bar MacBook Pro has been on display since yesterday, and several customers have reported being told that display models will be in stores as soon as Wednesday.
In store pickup is not available for the new MacBook Pros, so customers hoping to skip the 4 to 5 week wait for a Touch Bar machine will need to call or visit an Apple retail store in person to check stock levels.
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Great article on the Apple's loss of focus on the MBP's target audience over at medium.com
https://medium.com/charged-tech/app...ea-who-the-mac-is-for-722a2438389b#.pubofn6sx
" It took four years to add a touch bar to the keyboard, which delayed any meaningful progress in the meantime? Apple’s customers are those that need powerful machines, but it delayed them infinitely for what amounts to a vanity project that the core demographic of Apple’s customers probably won’t even use."
https://medium.com/charged-tech/app...ea-who-the-mac-is-for-722a2438389b#.pubofn6sx
" It took four years to add a touch bar to the keyboard, which delayed any meaningful progress in the meantime? Apple’s customers are those that need powerful machines, but it delayed them infinitely for what amounts to a vanity project that the core demographic of Apple’s customers probably won’t even use."
HAHAHAHAHA stop it people, HAHAHAHAHAHA, you only get ripped off if you hand your money over or think about buying LOL. No one is ripping anyone off LOL. Why would a "multi-national giant corporation" want to rip you off?
Wait a second.... Hmmmmm.........
Why are Apple's customers needing more powerful machines than PC users?
Just because a freelance writer says it doesn't make it true. I doubt that Apple's customers need machines as powerful as what gamers need.
Needs a hiDPI touch bar (Retina) and an OLED (retina) screen before I will dive in to this new hot mess.
I really wonder if Apple engineers are all bald from pulling their own hair out over the hardware limitations imposed in order for Apple to maintain its enormous profit margins? We know their chief designer is sporting the shiny cap.
I really wonder if Apple engineers are all bald from pulling their own hair out over the hardware limitations imposed in order for Apple to maintain its enormous profit margins? We know their chief designer is sporting the shiny cap.
Pffft. Nicholas is willing to settle for overpriced fatbook. I'm waiting for the next gen MBP, thinner and all key rows replaced by touch bars.
GREAT article. The video of the guy trying to use the touch bar to DJ is hilarious.
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I have one sitting in the box but I reeeeeeeely want to wait for the space gray. I'll post some pictures of it tomorrow if I decide to open it.
It's ok to be broke and not be able to afford them, you can try a craigslist discontinued model, or a PC!
The worst thing for Apple is for us to look around at other laptops. I've looked and I found some that I definitely fit my price range. I may not get everything that I like, but I won't feel like I'm grossly overpaying.
So you call the drop from $650B to $400B in 2012 momentum?
I guess that $250B drop was Steves fault?
And I guess the subsequent $170B gains were because of Steve too?
Actually my guess is that you think if it's going up it's because of Steve. If it's going down it's because of someone else.
You're right about gamers. If you want to dabble in VR then a Mac doesn't cut it.
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It's like using a really short screwdriver when a longer one would make the job much, much easier.