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Are all the people complaining about the dongles, still wishing they had 5.25" floppy disks, parallel ports, television tubes, etc?

Some things are not the same as other things. Anybody remember having to carry a 5.25" hard drive around in case someone at a meeting handed you a floppy with their PowerPoint slides on? Oh, and when you swapped your CRT TV for LCD, did you need to get a new antenna fitted? If you did have to do any of those things, wasn't it made worthwhile by the fact that your new toy was 10x faster and/or 1/10 the size of the one it replaced, and often cost the same, if not cheaper?

These macs are a only few percent faster than the ones they replace, and are more expensive. Apple could have retained at least one USB-A port along with the new ports but they chose to make the box a few mm thinner instead. At least they could have ensured that there was a nice, matching, guaranteed compatible multi port adapter in the store on day one for a sensible price.

I've done a serious tot-up of what I'd need in terms of adapters, docks and cables and it comes to £400-£500. That's not the sort of money that most people can ignore.

There's also the industry-wide problem that intel have knobbled TB3 and any USBC port driven by intel controllers by not supporting DisplayPort 1.3, which could be very important in the future for support of multiple 4K/5k displays.
 
Got to see one in action this morning and it did sway me a little bit. It's an incredible feature bolted onto a machine that just has too many negatives for me though. I'd like to see it included with a regular row of function keys too.
 
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This has got to be the first released Mac that I don't even feel like visiting the Apple Store to check out IRL.

Apple, make a "meh" emoji already. It's not like you can make anything else anymore.
 
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Went in to my local KRCS independent Apple store yesterday to ask to see one. Place was empty. Assistant said not until sometime in December. Old iMacs on display. And the same Mac Pro sat alongside that's been there since it came out. I can't blame the staff for being vague, really.
 
I'm curious to see what the touch bar looks like in person, but there's no way in hell I'm buying a computer that requires ten different dongles. I'll wait until they catch up with PCs and just make whole display a touchscreen.

What are the ten dongles you need?
Or are you just making sh&t up to make a minor issue a big whine?
 
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So I needed exactly two dongles;

The HDMI one and the VGA one, so I have compatibility with projectors. These replace the thunderbolt versions I had for my MacBook Air.

Both of these have USB-A ports on them also, so everything else I need to hook up can go through that.

I also purchased a Lightning to USB-C cable, which is in no way a dongle, and swapped out my Lightning to USB-A cable in my bag.

Seriously, this doesn't feel like the huge deal people are making it out to be? Trolls are going to troll.
 
So I needed exactly two dongles;

The HDMI one and the VGA one, so I have compatibility with projectors. These replace the thunderbolt versions I had for my MacBook Air.

Both of these have USB-A ports on them also, so everything else I need to hook up can go through that.

I also purchased a Lightning to USB-C cable, which is in no way a dongle, and swapped out my Lightning to USB-A cable in my bag.

Seriously, this doesn't feel like the huge deal people are making it out to be? Trolls are going to troll.

It was never going to be an issue for you coming from another machine that required you to have dongles. It's going to be an issue for users who will now require dongles for USB-A, HDMI, SD Card etc, that they didn't need with the outgoing MBP range.

EDIT: I need an RJ45 network port for some work. I have both a USB-A to RJ45 and TB to RJ45 dongle. Either both of these have to be binned off or I need to "double dongle" them with a USB-C to RJ54 dongle. Retaining a single USB-A port on the device would have solved so many issues
 
U sound mad must be to broke and can't afford it


I'm not sure what their reasoning is, however, I'm just as annoyed/upset about it. I was upset about the last model as well. I don't think things like RAM or the Hard Drive should be soldered to the logic board. Not sure I'll be buying another. And rest assured. It isn't because I can't afford one.

Don't assume just because someone thinks it's a ripoff that it is because they can't afford one.
 
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I'm talking that actual people, not straw man people, who buy these things know what to expect and won't
ask stupid questions. That's how retail works these days, most people already know what they want and have
researched things before getting to the store. Because you know this little thing called the internet exists; we're not in 1995 anymore.

My own background is real world, 30+ years of actual computer engineering and management work on Apple, HP, IBM, SUN, SGI, DEC, etc top of the line tech.

Carrying things that were heavier than bricks and getting actual million dollar work done on things that cost a real fortune and had the compute power of a what is now a $5 calculator. Despite those equipment costing a bundle in todays dollars, they were still profitable to buy. Current prices for hardware are so absurdly low they barely figure anymore in my budget (that wasn't the case in the 1980s).

I'm kinda tired ridiculous whining by people who say they're "pro"
when they're only actually very "pro" at trash talking.

When I hear some people saying they can't get web work done with 16GB of memory, I laugh in their god damn face.
Get another job guys, you really suck at the one you have now!

Probably everyone here would know exactly what the new MBP offers compared to previous models, for both good and bad. I was talking more about normal people who don't tend to read tech sites every day or have worked extensively with computers for over 30 years like you (or indeed, I, just about!).

It's not a straw man when even people I know need to have the pros and cons of TB3/USB-C over the older I/O explained to them in simple terms: to suggest every single person who walks into an Apple store knows exactly what all aspects of the MBP specs are and what it means for them before they get there is a little far-fetched IMHO.

And you're still harping on the price issue, which is not really the main problem. That's the easiest thing for anyone to understand at a glance. Anyone who can't afford to buy a MBP will know that pretty fast because that obviously transcends computing jargon.

I said in the first instance I'm sure a lot of people will know exactly what they are buying with the new MBPs, but I think your absolutist stance of 'everyone knows everything because if the internet before they walk in an apple store' is something that seems to contradict the purpose of even having staff to talk to in apple stores. To put it another way, if everyone is a genius, why the genius bar?!

And the term 'whining' is ridiculous. It's just become a codeword for 'I think your criticism sucks, so shut up'. Which is ironically pretty much the most empty, negative, unconstructive criticism one can make. That isn't aimed at you especially by the way, at least you have argued your opinion alongside the term, but there are plenty of examples in threads on this forum where people are literally only posting to 'whine' about whining and hilariously accuse others of being off-topic, with no sense of irony...
 
Funny. So Phil you said this is the highest selling MacBook Pro ever huh? - And yet 1 day after people start receiving their machines there is already stock to be sold in stores.

Mhm okay.
 
Just spoke with someone at Walnut Creek Apple. He said the store received 3 today but sold out as soon as they received them. I was hoping to score one but arrived to late.
Now that is proof of artificial supply constraints if I ever saw it.
 
This has got to be the first released Mac that I don't even feel like visiting the Apple Store to check out IRL.

Apple, make a "meh" emoji already. It's not like you can make anything else anymore.
I couldn't even get to try one. The Regent Street store in the UK only had a couple of the Touch Bar versions in glass tubes. Apple is already saying, don't bother; trust us. And wow, isn't revamp of that store awful. They had blaring music in there that was really off-putting.
 
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Finally had a chance to check it out in person, I figured I need to touch it myself before I decide what to get next.

Besides the idiocy of dongles, two things became obvious to me - the keyboard is a serious downgrade, and that touchpad is HUGE, for no obvious reason. Interacting with it felt awkward. I'm sure I could get somewhat used to it, but for what? This is simply crazy to me. The new machine represents no meaningful improvements but multiple downgrades, all at higher than usual Apple pricing. Why couldn't they have maintained a true Pro line and the consumer line?? Give people choice! This is obviously an deliberate and calculated move on Apple's part, and it wouldn't be the first time they gave the pro community the middle finger (Mac Pro anyone...).

My favorite MBP has been 2011 15" - it was a do-it-all powerhouse. I was really hoping, against all odds, that Apple would finally create something in similar vein. Unfortunately they are a gadget-only company right now. I really like OSX, but Windows is not the disaster it once used to be, and Apple is no longer the jewel of design amongst the sea of of bland machines. I'm looking to replace my MBP and Asus ROG with a single machine and couple of large screens, and this will be a first time in 20+ years that I won't have an Apple computer. Thanks Apple!
 
Not really bothered about the Dongle issues, Apple should have put at least 1 USB3 on it tho. I am bothered about the Joke Price and un-Pro 16GB RAM.
 
It was never going to be an issue for you coming from another machine that required you to have dongles. It's going to be an issue for users who will now require dongles for USB-A, HDMI, SD Card etc, that they didn't need with the outgoing MBP range.

EDIT: I need an RJ45 network port for some work. I have both a USB-A to RJ45 and TB to RJ45 dongle. Either both of these have to be binned off or I need to "double dongle" them with a USB-C to RJ54 dongle. Retaining a single USB-A port on the device would have solved so many issues

So you need a USBC to USBa socket. That's it. One $4.99 connector.
 
Has anyone already mentioned the feature that the SSD has been soldered on the motherboard - so replacing an SSD is something of the past on this model.

Dont you love it ;-)
 
Why wouldn't people want to wait for Black Friday deals instead of getting at Apple? It might be discounted before Christmas huh? Best Buy? Staples?
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Just called Walnut Creek, they say they may have next week, but not today :p
Did you see Charles or Laura Ingalls? Sorry I couldn't resist.
 
The touchpad and screen are amazing (I tried them out at a Best Buy on the entry level non touchbar model), but the price is outrageous this time. Good thing I am not due to upgrade until next year...

Because once there are trade wars, it will be much less....buy your electronics in the US before 1/20/2017
 
So my colleague received his yesterday and he allowed me some time with it. Unbelievable. Well built, fast, screen is gorgeous, keyboard is loud but comfy, touch bar is interesting and very dynamic but I don't know how much I would use it.

And I am a "pro" - I make my living off my computer, I have a maxed 2013 rMBP. And I would definitely updgrade to it. Although I would dearly miss the two TB ports!

But I think I can wait another generation. The problem with all flash laptops is they are fast for a long time!
 
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Why are many of the MBPs being manufactured in China? I live in a City with an Apple manufacturing Plant, and yet I suspect the new MBPs are still coming from China. Is it cheaper labour, or something? o_O
 
So you need a USBC to USBa socket. That's it. One $4.99 connector.

Awesome, nothing says "Pro" more than this....

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