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Penryn is the current version of MBP on the market, Santa Rosa is the last one. So far, it SEEMS that the Santa Rosa MBPs have the sleep problem - anybody with a new Penryn having problems?

My new penryn macbook seems to have the exact same problem...
 
hey, thanks for the reply's on here

yes, i am having the same problem
and the starting a new thread thing was a completely different issue. I was wondering how to do it and decided to post on this thread since it obviously had a lot of views, and i thought someone (as you did) was bound to reply to me

thanks
 
I have had this problem and sort of found a fix.

Sometimes I would wake up in the morning to hear my MBP running, even though it was closed.

If I were to open it up, the screen would show nothing and the contrast adjustment buttons did nothing. Yet, sometimes I had an external display hooked in and turning that on revealed a desktop :)

So using the MBP mouse and keyboard I would go into System Preferences -> Displays and hit "Detect Displays". This solved my problem except when my external was not hooked in.

So a possible solution to this might be to make an applescript that will Detect Displays and then bind it to a shortcut that you can try when your MBP appears to not wake.
 
I have had this problem and sort of found a fix.

Sometimes I would wake up in the morning to hear my MBP running, even though it was closed.

If I were to open it up, the screen would show nothing and the contrast adjustment buttons did nothing. Yet, sometimes I had an external display hooked in and turning that on revealed a desktop :)

So using the MBP mouse and keyboard I would go into System Preferences -> Displays and hit "Detect Displays". This solved my problem except when my external was not hooked in.

So a possible solution to this might be to make an applescript that will Detect Displays and then bind it to a shortcut that you can try when your MBP appears to not wake.

ya i kinda did that same thing the other day

but what was weird is that i tried to press the power button then enter to shut it down but the power button worked but the keyboard didn't.

i really do not have time to spend on this so im not doing any tests.

ya so a shortcut would be great, if the keyboard was working
 
I have had this problem and sort of found a fix.

Sometimes I would wake up in the morning to hear my MBP running, even though it was closed.

If I were to open it up, the screen would show nothing and the contrast adjustment buttons did nothing. Yet, sometimes I had an external display hooked in and turning that on revealed a desktop :)

So using the MBP mouse and keyboard I would go into System Preferences -> Displays and hit "Detect Displays". This solved my problem except when my external was not hooked in.

So a possible solution to this might be to make an applescript that will Detect Displays and then bind it to a shortcut that you can try when your MBP appears to not wake.

Interesting workaround - I've never made an applescript before... but the detect display's trick definitely seems to address the cause of the problem to begin with. I presume you're still having this problem even with the new firmware update?
 
ya i kinda did that same thing the other day

but what was weird is that i tried to press the power button then enter to shut it down but the power button worked but the keyboard didn't.

i really do not have time to spend on this so im not doing any tests.

ya so a shortcut would be great, if the keyboard was working

That has worked for me - I've never had the keyboard not wake up, so I've actually been able to enter my password, enter, power button, "R" and it would re-start.
 
I'm pretty sure I have every update available for my MBP, but he still does this sometimes.

The weird thing that I noticed is - if I leave it sit for a while - I mean like 4 or 5 minutes, sometimes the screen will turn back on all on its own. I've usually been impatient and do the shutdown trick, but the last few times I waited it out - and sure enough all but once it came back on.

Apple needs to fix this. It drives me crazy :(
 
I'm pretty sure I have every update available for my MBP, but he still does this sometimes.

The weird thing that I noticed is - if I leave it sit for a while - I mean like 4 or 5 minutes, sometimes the screen will turn back on all on its own. I've usually been impatient and do the shutdown trick, but the last few times I waited it out - and sure enough all but once it came back on.

Apple needs to fix this. It drives me crazy :(


i did the exact same thing yesterday.
exactly
except i cannot do the shutdown button then enter because the keyboard does not work
 
I'm pretty sure I have every update available for my MBP, but he still does this sometimes.

The weird thing that I noticed is - if I leave it sit for a while - I mean like 4 or 5 minutes, sometimes the screen will turn back on all on its own. I've usually been impatient and do the shutdown trick, but the last few times I waited it out - and sure enough all but once it came back on.

Apple needs to fix this. It drives me crazy :(

I just let mine sit too and then it works eventually. I think it's just restoring data from disk to RAM from deep sleep.
 
I just let mine sit too and then it works eventually. I think it's just restoring data from disk to RAM from deep sleep.

I have that turned off and it still doesn't wake from sleep properly all the time. I'm installing the latest MBP EFI update now, so hopefully that solves some problems.
 
hey guys, some people posted that the 1.5.1 EFI update fixed their sleep problems on their MBPs :)

1.5.1 EFI? I look at my logs and I only have 1.5 from 4/12/2008. I do the software update, and no updates available showing up? Is 1.5.1 EFI for Penryns only? I've got a 15" 2.4 SR.

I've had to do the whole unplug-remove battery-press power for 5 secs-boot up drill 8 times already the last two days. My laptop is always on the stand. Always powered (and with UPS). And I even have it set to sleep the display, not the computer. Yet it still goes to sleep and has a hard time waking up. No istat, did the sleepmode thing, airport off, it's facing south, with a little troll sculpture guarding it... Should have bought an iMac instead and saved myself a thousand dollars to spend at the strip bar. :mad:
 
I've had to do the whole unplug-remove battery-press power for 5 secs-boot up drill 8 times already the last two days. My laptop is always on the stand. Always powered (and with UPS).


whats ups?

and why would you reset the power thing...
 
whats ups?

and why would you reset the power thing...

UPS - Uninterruptible Power Supply - backup battery power when the power goes out. I had it for my old desktop, but went ahead and used it for my mbp since it also offers surge protection.

I was reseting the power because I figured that was "clearing" up the "bad sleep mode" it was going into. Just pulling the power and battery out, the odds of it going back into non-waking sleep (for me) was really high. After reading through this whole thread, and the different ways people are having to wake up their mbp's, it probably is another voodoo/snake oil cure that doesn't really solve the problem.

Does anybody have a link to the EFI 1.5.1 that supposedly fixes this problem, and that was mentioned a few days ago? I don't see it using Software update.
 
UPS - Uninterruptible Power Supply - backup battery power when the power goes out. I had it for my old desktop, but went ahead and used it for my mbp since it also offers surge protection.

I was reseting the power because I figured that was "clearing" up the "bad sleep mode" it was going into. Just pulling the power and battery out, the odds of it going back into non-waking sleep (for me) was really high. After reading through this whole thread, and the different ways people are having to wake up their mbp's, it probably is another voodoo/snake oil cure that doesn't really solve the problem.

Does anybody have a link to the EFI 1.5.1 that supposedly fixes this problem, and that was mentioned a few days ago? I don't see it using Software update.

if anything you should be doing a p ram reset.
its not the power supply its the display
 
if anything you should be doing a p ram reset.
its not the power supply its the display

Isn't unplugging the laptop, removing the battery, then holding the power button for 5 seconds "resetting p ram"? That's what I've been doing, and I mentioned that in my second to last post. If resetting the p ram involves something else, could you please point me to the instructions? When I google resetting PRAM, I see the steps I mentioned above.
 
Problem went away after latest firmware update

Updating to " Boot ROM Version: MBP31.0070.B07" the sleep problem went away. Also I can now use the MBP lid closed with my Dell screen.

The updating was not smooth: trying to do it using the "Apple" menu did not do the actual update even though "update complete" text appeared. When I disconnected the firewire/timemachine and downloaded the update from apple.com everything worked out fine.

I am keeping my fingers crossed but I have not had to reboot the MBP for the past two days.
 
So far it's been a little over a week since I did the update and no new sleep issues. Whoo, glad that's over.

Here's an interesting article on the update, including a link to the update.
http://arstechnica.com/journals/app...-efi-update-reportedly-causing-blank-displays

Seems some folk have problems after installing the update. Only problem I've had is Photoshop defaults changing. :confused:


dude i thought i was just being cracked out.
same thing happened to me

hey is anyone not been able to add a folder to the system preferences. desktop and screensaver?

like it shows the picture folder and if i add one it says its already there when it is clearly not.

i keep getting this when i try to see a folder
and when i add a new folder that i have not done before, it says it adds it but its not.
also it keeps showing two aperture library and they are the same libraries not different.
Picture1-14.png

Picture3-3.png

Picture2-6.png



so frustrating.
when school ends im doing a complete reinstall and maybe a 200gb 7k drive.
this 160 is getting really cramped.















my mom and sister are like wtf are you complaining about now about your computer now (i know the apple store geniuses and some guy at corporate because of all this stuff)

and if i may make a generality about mac users.
We buy this stuff so it works. Period.
 
1.5.1 EFI? I look at my logs and I only have 1.5 from 4/12/2008. I do the software update, and no updates available showing up? Is 1.5.1 EFI for Penryns only? I've got a 15" 2.4 SR.

I've had to do the whole unplug-remove battery-press power for 5 secs-boot up drill 8 times already the last two days. My laptop is always on the stand. Always powered (and with UPS). And I even have it set to sleep the display, not the computer. Yet it still goes to sleep and has a hard time waking up. No istat, did the sleepmode thing, airport off, it's facing south, with a little troll sculpture guarding it... Should have bought an iMac instead and saved myself a thousand dollars to spend at the strip bar. :mad:

yup 1.5.1 :) i dunno it showed up in my 2.2 SR. you in 10.5.2?
 
Interesting workaround - I've never made an applescript before... but the detect display's trick definitely seems to address the cause of the problem to begin with. I presume you're still having this problem even with the new firmware update?

This is my first post to this forum, but i have read every message in the thread. Thanks everyone for the ideas. I see that the last post was about 3 weeks ago. Does this mean that a definitive solution has been found? Please advise because I am ready to add this computer to my paperweight collection. Also, this is my second refurbished Apple product that does not work properly. The first was a defective eMac- which also had video problems. My MBP situation is similar to others, with its own voodoo. The screen remains black after opening the lid from sleep mode. I am able to get the screen back after playing around for a while. Mainly by 1) pressing power for several seconds- at which point the sleep indicator light goes off and i hear the HD winding down. 2) waiting 10 or so seconds, unplugging then replugging the power cord, and finally pressing power again. 3) At this point I may see the screen light up with a progress bar at the bottom, and a faint image of my session in the background as it is restored from what looks like safe sleep mode. 4) Sometimes it takes 3 or more tries to get it back this way. One very strange but important thing is that it rarely if ever works without the power cord voodoo maneuver. Another strange phenomenon is that when i power down and shut the lid, the sleep light comes on. This happens even if i wait a while after shut down.

For the record, here's some background on my ordeal: 1) The black screen phenomenon did not happen when i first got the machine about 15 months ago; 2) Now it happens - immediately- every time the lid is closed and reopened; 3) I have a) regularly installed updates, but never upgraded to 10.5.x, b) added a logitech wireless mouse and keyboard, and c) on one occasion used an HD TV as an external display; 3) I am running OS 10.4.11 so the problem is not due to OS 10.5 per se; 4) I recall having wake issues shortly after adding the wireless mouse and keyboard. 5) The problem occurs even when the mouse and keyboard are not attached. I rarely use them anyway. 6) I have yet to try any of the suggested fixes, yet. I will and see what happens.

Update on attempts to fix the black-screen upon waking from sleep mode problem: My screen still blacks out every time i close and open the lid. However, after recently resetting PRAM and PMU, getting out of black screen has become easier. It only takes one round of the following steps (instead of 3 rounds)
1) Open lid (sleep light stays on)
2) Press and hold power button for 3 sec or until sleep light goes out
3) Wait 5 seconds or until machine is totally silent
4) Press and hold power button for 1 sec (you will hear the superdrive mechanism engage)
5) Screen illuminates, progress bar appears and machine wakes from safe sleep

Here's what has NOT remedied the basic problem of getting a black screen upon waking from sleep 1) resetting PRAM 2) resetting PMU or SMC (system management controller) http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411 3) using terminal to change sleep mode setting from hibernatemode 3 to hibernatemode 0 or 1 4) discarding sleepimage file from mac HD\private\var\vm and rebooting 5) using terminal to disable dashboard 6) Ran an extended hardware test and no problems were found (meaning motherboard OK).
 
I haven't seemed to have the black screen issue in a week or so, but I now had the jerky keyboard and mouse problem. One time I wasn't even able to move the mouse or use the keyboard at all. It was totally dead. The only thing that worked was the power button, but since I couldn't select shutdown, I had to just hold it down to shut it off manually.

Has anybody had more luck bringing in their computers to the apple store to get fixed or get a new one? It really frustrates me that I essentially have to use my computer as a desktop by shutting it down between uses, or take a gamble over whether or not it will load again when I wake it from sleep.

I'm planning on giving them until 10.5.3 to fix it, and then calling in a favor with an Apple exec I'm friends with. Maybe he can get me a new one. It seems like a waste of a favor, but I don't think I can hold out until 10.5.4.

However, if anybody did find a magical fix for the problems we seem to all have been having, please let us know!
 
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