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While I love my late '08 MBP (it does everything I need it to do, and then some....AND I can replace the battery if need be, or carry the extra one that I have), I have to say that if there's some completely new iteration of MBP being released, I'd probably bite.
 
So does this mean no Sandy Bridge? Intel did announce last week that it was going to resume shipping the flawed ones and work with vendors on minimizing customer exposure to the problems...but would Apple seriously ship devices with a very serious problem...surely they haven't had time for the workaround which so far is to replace all the sata 2 inputs with sata 3.
 
So does this mean no Sandy Bridge? Intel did announce last week that it was going to resume shipping the flawed ones and work with vendors on minimizing customer exposure to the problems...but would Apple seriously ship devices with a very serious problem...surely they haven't had time for the workaround which so far is to replace all the sata 2 inputs with sata 3.

you haven't read too much on that story other than..

intel. apple. delay. flaw. have you? :p
 
Liquid metal just for the battery?! What a bummer that would be...

Don't flame me if I am wrong, and no i do not have the link handy, but I swear I read someplace that the "LiquidMetal" company Apple had aquired was not metal for the fabrication of cases but something that could be used for the next generation of battery, able to provide even longer battery life.

Hmmm, that's an interesting consideration. But after just seeing that rumored Intel leak of the upcoming MBP if you're right what a downer that would be :(
 
you haven't read too much on that story other than..

intel. apple. delay. flaw. have you? :p

No i read it, just doubtful about it...Apple has never to my knowledge been first out of the gate on any intel chipset and launching first especially with all the press over the flaws just seems a little unlike Apple. Of course they could go all sata 3 which would be just one more "feature" to tout..just seems odd considering how they tend to drag their feet...still no eSATA for instance.
 
No i read it, just doubtful about it...Apple has never to my knowledge been first out of the gate on any intel chipset and launching first especially with all the press over the flaws just seems a little unlike Apple. Of course they could go all sata 3 which would be just one more "feature" to tout..just seems odd considering how they tend to drag their feet...still no eSATA for instance.

well, the fact that it does not affect ports that are used on the mpb will suggest it doesn't matter.
 
well, the fact that it does not affect ports that are used on the mpb will suggest it doesn't matter.

The macbook pro only uses 1 sata connection?...hmm i didn't know that, I assumed it used them for the superdrive, hardrive and possibly the sd card reader and since all but the first port are effected I assumed it would be an issue...glad to know its not.
 
The macbook pro only uses 1 sata connection?...hmm i didn't know that, I assumed it used them for the superdrive, hardrive and possibly the sd card reader and since all but the first port are effected I assumed it would be an issue...glad to know its not.

ports 0 and 1. not affected. ssd and hd. ;)

but i think the chips that will be shipped will be the fixed one's anyway.
 
The macbook pro only uses 1 sata connection?...hmm i didn't know that, I assumed it used them for the superdrive, hardrive and possibly the sd card reader and since all but the first port are effected I assumed it would be an issue...glad to know its not.

Doesn't the SD card reader connect via USB internally?

And the Cougar Point chip flaw doesn't affect ports 0 and 1, so you still have 2 ports, one for the hard disk, another for the optical drive. Correct?
 
Liquid metal is cool, but it is hard to knock the beauty or rigidity of the aluminum unibody. Still beats the heck of all the other laptops I see lined up at Best Buy. They look absolutely flimsy and cheap by comparison.
 
Doesn't the SD card reader connect via USB internally?

And the Cougar Point chip flaw doesn't affect ports 0 and 1, so you still have 2 ports, one for the hard disk, another for the optical drive. Correct?

I thought that ports 0 and 1 were 6mb sata only? That would be awesome if they finally support it though...that might be something to prompt an early upgrade on my part.
 
Liquid metal is cool, but it is hard to knock the beauty or rigidity of the aluminum unibody.

Liquid metal is very strong and will have a comparable appearance. I'm not a material scientist and I haven't seen detailed studies comparing its strength, so I'm not sure if it's strong in all the ways that matter here.
 
The macbook pro only uses 1 sata connection?...hmm i didn't know that, I assumed it used them for the superdrive, hardrive and possibly the sd card reader and since all but the first port are effected I assumed it would be an issue...glad to know its not.

Doesn't the SD card reader connect via USB internally?

Every system that I've looked at has used internal USB connections for card readers, bluetooth radios and similar junk IO.
 
Not necessarily. Several vendors have 7.5 mm high drives, and they go up to 500 GB.

Alright, let me clarify, the drives that APPLE USE are the same thickness as the optical drive at the its (the optical drive's) thickest point.

Oh goody. Yet another "i don't use it so no one else does either" post.

Welcome to forums.macrumors.com, this happens ALL THE TIME! I'm completely fine with differing opinions, and I respect that people here hate the optical drive, but it really reflects poorly when people assume that their opinion is the dominant one and are only citing the Macrumors populace for that figure. It's not like the majority of Mac users hang out here.

Indeed. The fact that they're so un-Apple-like and too good to be true renders them somewhat doubtful, though. (e.g., Apple is going to keep the battery not replaceable, but make a drive bay swappable? seems unlikely.)

That's what I thought when I read their article.

I think they would go for all lightpeak ports. No more USB or Firewire. Lightpeak all the way.

Lightpeak isn't ready yet. When it's ready, you'll hear enough about it to give that prediction some weight and maybe some credibility.

I want USB 3.0, but that might be asking for to much.

Apple won't support it until Intel natively supports it in their chipsets, and Intel won't natively support it in their chipsets until it further catches on, just like they did with USB 2.0.

I think this will be the year I pull the trigger on a nice MacBook Pro. Every time they refresh / redesign them I get tempted, but always talk myself out of it because of the price or the fact I know it will be refreshed again usually in less than a year.

I have a big problem with purchasing something and feeling that it's outdated shortly thereafter, but I guess I can't live in fear forever.

Make way, I'll be a mac convert soon.

Buy it a month after the refresh and then start saving up for the machine to replace it in 5 years. That way, when it is refreshed, you can take comfort knowing that your next computer will blow the refreshed version away and then some.

We'll have to wait and see what happens. If the MacBook isn't discontinued, I think it should be updated sometime in the next few months or so. Whether or not that's at the same time as the MBPs is another matter. I'd suggest keeping an eye on the rumours released over the next few weeks or so leading up to the MBP refresh.

The "MacBook" won't be discontinued. They might make the polycarbonate model an "education only" model, and they might rebrand the "13" MacBook Pro" back into the new "MacBook", but the "MacBook" line isn't going anywhere. I'd bet the money I'm saving on a 15" MacBook Pro on it.

Im with you there Zen! Cmon Stevey boy get your arse of the sick and get those MBP's shipped out now,. RIGHT NOW!!!!!!! Im dropping the cash on one as soon as they are available. Good bye super drive- you leach.:D

Explain to me how a computer part that while sometimes faulty, is more or less useful as all hell when it is used, is a leech. So far, it only hampers the 13" Pro's ability to have a discrete GPU, and even then, those that REQUIRE that machine to have it are in the small minority. And if you want a 13" Pro with a discrete GPU why the hell aren't you getting a 15" Pro? Apple's marketing supports that rhetorical question, if you all haven't picked up on that yet.

You and the people you know must be hard on your equipment. I personally have never seen one fail. Must be the dry AZ air we have here.

Of the four Macs that I've owned with slot-load optical drives, three have had theirs fail. It doesn't mean that I want mine gone, I just want a more durable one put in its place, but I'm resigned to the notion that it won't happen.

I like this idea! A Macbook Air style SSD, maybe 128GB just for boot and applications, along with a mechanical hard drive for bulk storage.

We can put things like music, video, the SteamApps folder ;) and such on the mechanical hard drive, which would also spin down when not being used, saving battery life too.

Mechanical drive could also be optional (empty bay) for users who don't need that much capacity. Mmmm.

Heck we can already do this with current models, by sacraficing the superdrive, putting an SSD in the HD bay and a mechanical drive in the optical bay with an adapter.

Time Machine needs to be able to back up all Internal drives to the same back-up. Then I'd be so down for this.

If the optical drive becomes optional:
  1. 13" MacBook Pro gets dedicated graphics.
  2. Second drive bay for HDD or SSD storage.
  3. More battery.

If they get flash storage:
  1. Dedicated drive for Mac OS X and iOS allowing Apple to separate the OSes and their utilities from the users' accounts and applications. Apple will partition the drive with Mac OS X on one, and iOS on the other, making it easy for Apple to update each OS independently.
  2. Instead of one HDD/SSD case there will be 3-4 PCI-Express slots which will make it easy for people to increase storage as they need it or wait until prices are low enough for them to purchase.

1, if there is no optical drive in the 13", Apple won't use the reclaimed space for dedicated graphics, nor a second drive bay, let alone both (which is physically impossible unless they thicken the size of the machine), nor will they make the battery capacity larger. If anything they'd used improved technology to preserve the current battery lifetimes in smaller batteries and tote how much thinner they are.
 
I would be interested in them, but as Apple is starting to feel more like a hardcore monopoly than Microsoft ever did.... With no Blu-Ray ...

I know I am repeating myself, but....

BLU RAY IS DEAD. It was doomed from the start. It came to market just as digital media storage and streaming became mainstream. No one wants physical media anymore. Yes, I use superlatives to make a point, but Blu-Ray will NEVER reach the level of market penetration, installed base, and total number of discs sold that DVD did. Game over.
 
I may wait for next year...

I've been thinking about ditching my white macbook for a new macbook pro but I can't justify the purchase especially when my macbook is awesome. pro or not.

Apple is definitely moving the bar on these machines; although, not in a way that interests me all that much... I can't imagine losing my disc drive since I'm always burning DVD's (i'm a teacher and I always need to record lessons for grants) and I'm always ripping movies into my ps3 for later viewing... ditching a disc drive would be a nightmare.

I'd love to see the addition of bluray, 4GB ram standard (I'm using 8GB on my macbook), more battery time and a lighter body, although I wouldn't mind the same weight or even more if it meant more battery time.
 
I know I am repeating myself, but....

BLU RAY IS DEAD. It was doomed from the start. It came to market just as digital media storage and streaming became mainstream. No one wants physical media anymore. Yes, I use superlatives to make a point, but Blu-Ray will NEVER reach the level of market penetration, installed base, and total number of discs sold that DVD did. Game over.

I actually do like to have a copy of the physical media. I teach, so I'm always burning lessons for myself and other teachers, copying, recopying, distributing, backing up into multiple DVD's (I know it sounds old school but I don't trust only my hard drives)... If apple included a blu-ray burner into their macbook line, I'd buy a new one immediately. but it seems that'll never happen with a bluray player, not to mention a burner..
 
I actually do like to have a copy of the physical media. I teach, so I'm always burning lessons for myself and other teachers, copying, recopying, distributing, backing up into multiple DVD's (I know it sounds old school but I don't trust only my hard drives)... If apple included a blu-ray burner into their macbook line, I'd buy a new one immediately. but it seems that'll never happen with a bluray player, not to mention a burner..

I certainly acknowledge that some users have legitimate needs and desires for a disc drive, I just think technology is moving away from physical storage discs that we catalog, store, and tote around. Even today, you could upload your lessons to MobileMe for remote and mobile access for everyone, or distribute the lessons as a PodCast, or....
 
Definitely looking forward to this. I've had my MBP since April of 2006. It's far overdue for an update but has been holding it's own since day one.

Very excited about this and can't wait to see what it brings.

I actually do like to have a copy of the physical media. I teach, so I'm always burning lessons for myself and other teachers, copying, recopying, distributing, backing up into multiple DVD's (I know it sounds old school but I don't trust only my hard drives)... If apple included a blu-ray burner into their macbook line, I'd buy a new one immediately. but it seems that'll never happen with a bluray player, not to mention a burner..

I work in broadcasting... DVDs are still King when clients ask for their work. Yes.. it's ancient, but it still works.
 
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