Yeah but those aren't meant for running Pro level software like MacBooks are. Its not a fair comparison. If MacBooks had an 11 inch screen and a single core processor at 1.2 GHz, they could get 7 or 8 hours too.Kaiser Phoenix said:
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Kaiser Phoenix said:
I thought I read somewhere that the Core Duos were suppose to be about the same drain as Centrinos, maybe a little bit more. I also heard that compared to G4's and I know that the 15" G4 gets similar battery life, but it has a 50 w/hr li-ion battery, not a 60 w/hr li-polymer! On that note of 60 w/hr li-polymer, I beieve the 17" Powerbooks have a 61 w/hr li-ion and they get about 3 and a half hours of battery life, that's with a noticibly larger display. While the 14.1" iBooks have a 61 w/hr li-ion I believe and get 5-6 real world hours depending on settings/use! The larger battery seems to be only there to supply the brighter screen, where I rather have had a extra hour of battery life myself. I'm hoping it for sure gets better life then the huge 17" PB, similar battery life to the 15" Powerbooks and my 15" Dell Centrino, and I won't hold anything against it if it can't pull off the 5-6 hours of the iBook... I also am optimistic about it not being optimized for a few charges, although what kind of increase could see with optimization? 5 minutes, 15 minutes, half an hour, more!? Okay I'll calm down, but to summarize - just hoping for some way to get 4 1/2 hours of battery life whehter it means optimized battery, energy saver mode, shutting off a core, or any mixture of these three or something else altogether. Is that a fair hope, or am I just setting myself up for a let down. Getting my hopes to high and being too optimistic?
Yeah true, youre right there...I suppose a Pro Notebook like a MBP getting roughly4 hours is amazing as it is I supposed, since its so thin and all. I mean apple probably could have made the battery bigger but then the laptop will probably have been too huge!
Damn all these pictures are a mixed blessing. Part of me is really excited and happy for those that have received them already, the other part os jealous as hell and ready to screm with impatience.
I still see no real benchmarks.. come on people, don't just pop into macrumors to get your mac fix whilst waiting, share the love.
I still see no real benchmarks.. come on people, don't just pop into macrumors to get your mac fix whilst waiting, share the love.
Ever thought about this though?
New to MR... first post... but have read countless times!
Ok so, has anyone ever thought that (regarding the MBP battery life) that time indicator might be wrong. I know on my 12" PB from a year and a half ago, it often will tell me 3:40 (3 hrs 40 mins).. and then 3 hours later when i look at it again it will tell me something like 1:30 (1 hr 30 mins). More times that not, I get at least a good 4 to 4.5 hours out of my computer on a full charge.
I think that the calibration has a great deal to do with this estimation.. but its just that guys, and estimation! When you go to render a movie or something intensive.. it goes down... and when your idling - so to speak - it goes back up. SO I think we can round that time that we've seen on those who've opened their MBPs as a 'good average' rather than hard fact.
and who knows, maybe a system update will make that even longer!
New to MR... first post... but have read countless times!
Ok so, has anyone ever thought that (regarding the MBP battery life) that time indicator might be wrong. I know on my 12" PB from a year and a half ago, it often will tell me 3:40 (3 hrs 40 mins).. and then 3 hours later when i look at it again it will tell me something like 1:30 (1 hr 30 mins). More times that not, I get at least a good 4 to 4.5 hours out of my computer on a full charge.
I think that the calibration has a great deal to do with this estimation.. but its just that guys, and estimation! When you go to render a movie or something intensive.. it goes down... and when your idling - so to speak - it goes back up. SO I think we can round that time that we've seen on those who've opened their MBPs as a 'good average' rather than hard fact.
and who knows, maybe a system update will make that even longer!
Heb1228 said:
Bear in mind that human perception of brightness is logarithmic, not linear. If Apple are playing clever marketing games (which they may be), 67% brighter will appear less than 10% brighter.
I'm sure after a few more good photos, we'll be able to determine if their number is based on actual brightness or perceived brightness.
Me too
Yeah. Me too. I stared at it for about 10 seconds before rereading the post and realising the joke. And I thought I was smart!
People finally getting their MBP's means we can finally get some of the pros onto some of the hacking tasks that need to be done.
I bet we'll be getting a slew of reports about usability, battery life and other performance notes in the next week or two. Could be very interesting if battery life doesn't do much better than 3 1/2 hours. Hopefully that was a first charge thing where the battery hadn't calibrated or the charge wasn't full.
barstard.
AvSRoCkCO1067 said:It took me longer to get that than it should have...
Yeah. Me too. I stared at it for about 10 seconds before rereading the post and realising the joke. And I thought I was smart!
People finally getting their MBP's means we can finally get some of the pros onto some of the hacking tasks that need to be done.
I bet we'll be getting a slew of reports about usability, battery life and other performance notes in the next week or two. Could be very interesting if battery life doesn't do much better than 3 1/2 hours. Hopefully that was a first charge thing where the battery hadn't calibrated or the charge wasn't full.
barstard.
katie ta achoo said:
Apple has been trying to cut back on packaging in general, and make as much of it out of cardboard and other recyclable materials. The iPod packaging doesn't have any styrofoam at all, but you still need it for the machines. Maybe the wholes reduce the amount of needed "bad" packing material.
mmm, nice. macgasm.
No, seriously.
I like the slim box and cut out styrofoam- smart for apple to save weight and space (also now that apple's in the retail buisness, the storage space vs. ample inventory concerns will probably be larger than shipping costs). More importantly, smart move because the world does not need more styrofoam. Like the details-mag safe, love the new MacBook Pro label at the the bottom of the screen.
One gripe-WHY THE HUGE POWER SUPPLY? Technology makes things better and smaller. A powersupply is certainly better the less space it takes and the less you think about it-hence the superiority of apple's brick to wall and thin cable solution over fatty cable to wall, massive brick, and cable to computer. But that thing is a total step backwards, and a needless one, as powersupply technology isn't exactly a rapidly changing field... at all.
Grr.
Hope to see in real life for screen brightness soon.
No, seriously.
I like the slim box and cut out styrofoam- smart for apple to save weight and space (also now that apple's in the retail buisness, the storage space vs. ample inventory concerns will probably be larger than shipping costs). More importantly, smart move because the world does not need more styrofoam. Like the details-mag safe, love the new MacBook Pro label at the the bottom of the screen.
One gripe-WHY THE HUGE POWER SUPPLY? Technology makes things better and smaller. A powersupply is certainly better the less space it takes and the less you think about it-hence the superiority of apple's brick to wall and thin cable solution over fatty cable to wall, massive brick, and cable to computer. But that thing is a total step backwards, and a needless one, as powersupply technology isn't exactly a rapidly changing field... at all.
Grr.
Hope to see in real life for screen brightness soon.
Heb1228 said:
It would be... like an iBook.
More pictures would be nice. I do love the packaging. Hopefully I'll have the expendable income to grab a rev b when it arrives.... but... oooooooh, so pretty.
Well, off to sleep.
gormenghast said:What were you expecting, something like this:
Ha! That is awesome!
But seriously, if the screens are anywhere near as bright as the ones on the iMac Intels, that should be sufficient for everyone. I had to turn down the brightness about half-way to not feel like sitting in a spotlight.yoda13 said:Kaiser,
that battery life is less than I expected...
Seriously? I mean, considering that it's running a core processor, has a brighter screen, is much more powerful and they refused to list the battery life (don't give me any of that "they hadn't tested it yet" crap... seriously, of course they did), 3:31 is much higher than I expected. Much longer than my 1.5 15" PB.
Hmm, why are people complaining about the huge power brick? Its honestly not THAT big. its by no means HUGE. I swear people are dying for something to complain about. Your bag now has room for one less roll of lifesavers. Is it that hard to deal with?
Apart from the lack of FW800 (which i happen to use) i think two USB ports is taking the mick a bit, yes I know that is the same number as the last PB, but with all that extra space.. just seems a bit cheap. I mean, ipod, mouse, printer. While it may be easier to use a hub i would at least like the option y'know, for when i'm on the go.
I would absolutely love to see a comparison of Airport strength using macstumbler, it looks as though there is some more antenna going on there with the MBP.
Someone asked about the side air vents, the are indeed, GONE! - http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/design.html (down the bottom)
My four gripes with the MBP are:
1. Ugly huge power brick.
2. Missing some vertical screen res to the camera, i'm sure they could have managed both.
3. The IR receiver, i'd rather just skip front-row all together and have a cleaner front.
4. Give me more ports, i'm greedy.
I for one am waiting for a second revision and CS3, so at lesat I notice a big speed improvement when I upgrade my 1.5pb.
I would absolutely love to see a comparison of Airport strength using macstumbler, it looks as though there is some more antenna going on there with the MBP.
Someone asked about the side air vents, the are indeed, GONE! - http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/design.html (down the bottom)
My four gripes with the MBP are:
1. Ugly huge power brick.
2. Missing some vertical screen res to the camera, i'm sure they could have managed both.
3. The IR receiver, i'd rather just skip front-row all together and have a cleaner front.
4. Give me more ports, i'm greedy.
I for one am waiting for a second revision and CS3, so at lesat I notice a big speed improvement when I upgrade my 1.5pb.
Well for someone used to my 12" PB, that screen must be blindingly bright. The battery life isn't as bad as I was expecting either. I also like what apple are doing with their packaging, really cutting back on that superfluous packaging.
Man, I wish I had one
Man, I wish I had one
funny discussion re: core switching off etc. do you realise these processors are capable of changing clock speed and voltage on the fly and of course automatically disabling the other core when not needed? I don't know about G4, but Pentium M processors have this capability since the beginning, it's called EIST for Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology.. there are also software utilities for controlling all this - you can manually set frequency and voltage for the power saving mode.. these processors have pretty conservative voltages set as default, you can go significantly lower and save battery time even more.. for example my second generation Pentium M Dothan core had these frequencies/voltages as default: 1.7GHz@1.34V and 600MHz@0.988V and I was able to change these for 1.7GHz@1.052V and 800MHz@0.7V, talk about power consumption.. bear in mind this was 90nm core, Yonah is 65nm and as such will run on even lower voltages.. unfortunately the bottom limit of EIST at least for my processor is 0.7V, I'm sure it could go even lower.. so, just wait before such utilities appear for MacOS X, that will happen sooner or later..
btw. sweet book, let's see the smaller ones, I hope they're appearing soon!
btw. sweet book, let's see the smaller ones, I hope they're appearing soon!
I'm interested to hear how the battery life fairs in "real life" application, considering the final PowerBooks weren't much for overall performance (you know the screen, battery, etc issues).