Macbook Released

[stephen jobs]

let me see if i got this right,
current macbook is a 32bit chip, the next rev. macbook will most likely be merom and be 64bit.
what does this mean for current 32bit owners?
Will there come a time in the near future when 32bit applications or OS will not be available? or do the 32bit chips run 64bit stuff fine?

i have a new macbook and for all i do with it, the speed is faster than ill ever need. but will software be made for it, well into the future?

 

[matticus008]

let me see if i got this right,
current macbook is a 32bit chip, the next rev. macbook will most likely be merom and be 64bit.
what does this mean for current 32bit owners?
Will there come a time in the near future when 32bit applications or OS will not be available? or do the 32bit chips run 64bit stuff fine?

i have a new macbook and for all i do with it, the speed is faster than ill ever need. but will software be made for it, well into the future?

It doesn't really mean anything for the time being. Any 32-bit computer you buy even in the next year or so will be seriously outdated before 64-bit computing becomes standard. Even if there were a 64-bit revolution tomorrow, it'd still be about five years before it moved the whole consumer market (and there will be no such revolution tomorrow).

When/if it does eventually happen, 32-bit computers will be useless. Think of it like the number of lanes on the highway. If you've got a vehicle that takes up four lanes, it can go on any highway wider than that, but if the four-lane car is a 64-bit application, a two-lane car (32-bit) will also fit, but the 64-bit car won't fit on a 32-bit (2 lane) highway. That's how they've chosen to implement 64-bit computing (emphasis on chosen).

 

[Multimedia]

Never Had Any Problems With Omni RAM

Do you REALLY mean this store?
http://www.omnitechnologies.biz/
You'd better check this before you place your order, then:
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller10095.html
P.S: Sorry for my English, by the way... but not worse than theirs:
http://www.omnitechnologies.biz/Images/MACBOOK PROW.jpg

Never Had Any Problems With Omni RAM. Ratings based on 3 reports is hardley a fair sample of all their customers. They are just typing dislexic with no time to proofread.

I for one, see 14 reviews, and almost all customers seem to be very unsatisfied. I thought it was worth knowing for everyone interested...

Only dissatisfied customers write reports.

 

[juanm]

I for one, see 14 reviews, and almost all customers seem to be very unsatisfied. I thought it was worth knowing for everyone interested...

 

[bloodycape]

it took soo damn long for this thing to come out...and it kills right now...do you really think theyd make a revision as early as july?

Sorta, I was saying we could get a price drop, or a mhz increase as early as july since that how the pc world tends to work. Or even maybe a whole new product. But who knows.

 

[Multimedia]

No Change Before September At The Soonest

it took soo damn long for this thing to come out...and it kills right now...do you really think theyd make a revision as early as july?

Not in the MacBook line. First of all, with Apple the price always stays the same. Second the speed cannot increase before next year because there is a steep price increase above 2GHz even for Merom. Third, Merom doesn't begin manufacturing until August so Apple can't switch to Merom before September on any of their Mobiles.

Sorta, I was saying we could get a price drop, or a mhz increase as early as july since that how the pc world tends to work. Or even maybe a whole new product. But who knows.

MacBook Pro could get a hot 2.33GHz Yonah bump in July. We don't really know how fast Apple will be willing to change features according to Intel changes. Given that the MacBook Pro line needs more differentiation from MacBook ASAP, it would seem logical for that to happen. But Apple logic may dictate waiting for the cooler Merom 2.33 in August due to cooling challenges with Yonah at that new top speed. .

Summer might be the lowest volume sales season, so perhaps concentrating the spotlight on the most powerful Macs ever made on the eve of the WWDC SteveNote August 7 wouldn't be a bad idea right now. Bring on the Woodcrest Quads!

 

[Iverieli]

I got my MB black with 2GB memory and it's amazing guys. Very cool and best Mac notebook I ever had. (I had PowerBook, different models, iBook). Really nice machine, good job.

P.S. Can we read and write here without AMD ****? thats so boring to read some AMD funs posts.

 

[iJawn108]

I tried one out today. Very very nice. The screen didn't bother me at all. The keyboard was cool,different than what im used to but very cool. Once they get the Memron chips I'll be buying.

 

[Multimedia]

Are Black Keys Faux Backlit?

I got my MB black with 2GB memory and it's amazing guys. Very cool and best Mac notebook I ever had. (I had PowerBook, different models, iBook). Really nice machine, good job.

Congratulations! Can you verify that the white legends on the black keys are easy to see in dim screen lit light? IE Faux backlit?

 

[Multimedia]

2GB RAM Is Helpful To Insure Top Speed On Any Mac

i can do it with my pc desktop 2.4 p4 with only 512 ram
i think 512 is the current standard 1gb for anyone that wants abit more power and 2gb for anyone doing any real rendering

edit: i am going to order a macbook either tonight or tomorrow and i plan to go with 1gb ram

OS X eats RAM for breakfast because of its many cache schemes. 2GB on a Mac is quite helpful to insure top speed on any Mac. In spite of what Apple ships, experts say rule of thumb is 1GB Per Core so 2GB is really considered minimum for any Core Duo Mac. I have 6GB in my Quad and it's still too slow. .

ahh see ive never owned a mac before this will be my first so i will soon find out

How? What are you going to put in it?

 

[andrewface]

OS X eats RAM for breakfast because of its many cache schemes. 2GB on a Mac is quite helpful to insure top speed on any Mac.

ahh see ive never owned a mac before
this will be my first so i will soon find out

 

[imacdaddy]

Do you REALLY mean this store?
http://www.omnitechnologies.biz/

You'd better check this before you place your order, then:

http://www.resellerratings.com/seller10095.html

Juan

P.S: Sorry for my English, by the way... but not worse than theirs:
http://www.omnitechnologies.biz/Images/MACBOOK PROW.jpg

Hi Juan...I went to ramseeker.com and chose my RAM from Omni Tech for the reseller discount. Coincidently, I had ordered my 2GB RAM for my iMac G5 last Friday and it arrived in Hong Kong on Tuesday. Smooth and quick service if you ask me. Now my iMac is UBER FAST!!!

 

[rugonnaeatthat]

bought the base model Macbook last friday.

Hi Guys,

I bought the base model Macbook last friday.

I'm still settling on my feelings about it, so I will write soon on what I think in a considered manner. I haven't yet upgraded RAM etc.

I thought you'd all be impressed by this cool little hack, utilising the sudden motion sensor to improve the osx interface - I haven't tried it yet but I will soon.

and this one for a bit of fun...

 

[juanm]

Hi Juan...I went to ramseeker.com and chose my RAM from Omni Tech for the reseller discount. Coincidently, I had ordered my 2GB RAM for my iMac G5 last Friday and it arrived in Hong Kong on Tuesday. Smooth and quick service if you ask me. Now my iMac is UBER FAST!!!

Good for you. But I stand on my position: with a lifetime rating of 2.88, it's like playing russian roulette. Not because of the Ram, which will probably run fine, but because of the customer service if you have to deal with a product replacement.

 

[Mord]

i never have trouble with any customer service, even from companies with horrible rep, you just need to be firm and know what your entitled to.

 

[imacdaddy]

Good for you. But I stand on my position: with a lifetime rating of 2.88, it's like playing russian roulette. Not because of the Ram, which will probably run fine, but because of the customer service if you have to deal with a product replacement.

Hrrmmm..based on 13 life-time reviews and 3 coming in the past six months, I'd take it with a grain of salt. I share your concerns with online shopping too but there's a handful of mac users in these forums who purchased from them without any issues with the product or customer service. Who would you rather believe? Fellow mac users in this forum or potential trollers on service rating sites like resellerratings.com.

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

let me see if i got this right,
current macbook is a 32bit chip, the next rev. macbook will most likely be merom and be 64bit.
what does this mean for current 32bit owners?
Will there come a time in the near future when 32bit applications or OS will not be available? or do the 32bit chips run 64bit stuff fine?

i have a new macbook and for all i do with it, the speed is faster than ill ever need. but will software be made for it, well into the future?

IMO there`s no need to worry for the next 3 years atleast. And I dont think a laptop/computer has a life of more than 4 years in any case. It`ll be too obsolete by then. These core duos will be fine until 10.5 Leopard. But once 10.6 is launched (which`ll take atleast 3 more years IMHO) you`ll find your Yonah MB way too slow to handle any new software on. And at that point it wont really matter if the latest software can be run in 32 bit or not. Any hardaware(wether 32 or 64 bit) which is more than 3-4 years old wont really do justice to the latest software.

 

[Mord]

this ibook was bought about 4 years ago came with 10.1 and has a radeon mobility (w00t), (600MHz g3 ibook.)

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

this ibook was bought about 4 years ago came with 10.1 and has a radeon mobility (w00t), (600MHz g3 ibook.)

I m damn sure it runs PS CS2 without any problems

 

[steve_hill4]

My friends G3 iBook runs fine for basic web browsing, word editing, iTunes and a few other apps. He upgraded from 9 to Panther and it showed no signs of slowing. I hope mine runs as smooth as that in 5 years time.

It depends what you want to do. As long as you don't want to run the very latest apps, don't upgrade the OS every time and keep it well maintained, a system can work for years without issue. The oldest PC we have running is now coming up to 6 years old, still on Windows ME, but for the above, it's still absolutely fine. My PC is half the age, I try to do more up to date work on it, it's running XP and it can get so sluggish, it's bad.

I think upgrade cycles will mean I won't be using this machine much/at all in 5-6 years time, but I think it will handle almost everything I throw at it then, just not as fast as the machines of the day will.

 

[Willis]

IMO there`s no need to worry for the next 3 years atleast. And I dont think a laptop/computer has a life of more than 4 years in any case. It`ll be too obsolete by then. These core duos will be fine until 10.5 Leopard. But once 10.6 is launched (which`ll take atleast 3 more years IMHO) you`ll find your Yonah MB way too slow to handle any new software on. And at that point it wont really matter if the latest software can be run in 32 bit or not. Any hardaware(wether 32 or 64 bit) which is more than 3-4 years old wont really do justice to the latest software.

hmm, i dont think thats entirely the case for older computers become obsolete. if it does what you want it to do, then it isnt worth replacing, unless you want to have it replaced.

Our iMac went from 10.0.0 (yes, first OS and still got the discs!) then the free update to 10.1.0, 10.3 now 10.4 and each time, i feel its got quicker despite its 800mhz G4.

When 10.5 comes out, you can be sure i'll have it. But you see people with older G3's that Apple support and run Tiger, and they're around 7 years old now. Any purchase now will last you as long as you want it to last. And thats the same for Intel and PowerPC (or whats left of it, but even second hand)

 

[Mord]

I m damn sure it runs PS CS2 without any problems

yeah, it does.

 

[Multimedia]

64-bit Only OS X Is WAY OUT THERE - Like 10.7 or 10.8 Soonest

IMO there`s no need to worry for the next 3 years atleast. And I dont think a laptop/computer has a life of more than 4 years in any case. It`ll be too obsolete by then. These core duos will be fine until 10.5 Leopard. But once 10.6 is launched (which`ll take atleast 3 more years IMHO) you`ll find your Yonah MB way too slow to handle any new software on. And at that point it wont really matter if the latest software can be run in 32 bit or not. Any hardaware(wether 32 or 64 bit) which is more than 3-4 years old wont really do justice to the latest software.

UNTIL Leopard? What are you smoking? They will accelerate with Leopard - not die. You can't seriously believe that Leopard will not support 32-bit Core Duo as well as G3, G4 and G5 Macs? Please get a grip man.The day Mac OS X only supports 64-bit PPC G5 and Core 2+ Duo is probably two or three major releases out - AT THE SOONEST.

Laptop has life of no more than 4 years? You are seriously out of touch with reality. Today's MacBook will last many the rest of their lives and certainly 10 or more years at least. A 2GHz Core Duo is very fast and will only get faster with each incremental OS update and major release. Yonah MacBooks too slow in 3 years? You are really one of the most absurd posters I've read here in a long time.

hmm, i dont think thats entirely the case for older computers become obsolete. if it does what you want it to do, then it isnt worth replacing, unless you want to have it replaced.

Our iMac went from 10.0.0 (yes, first OS and still got the discs!) then the free update to 10.1.0, 10.3 now 10.4 and each time, i feel its got quicker despite its 800mhz G4.

When 10.5 comes out, you can be sure i'll have it. But you see people with older G3's that Apple support and run Tiger, and they're around 7 years old now. Any purchase now will last you as long as you want it to last. And thats the same for Intel and PowerPC (or whats left of it, but even second hand)

We are in serious pissing match territory now. The OS and the software we have right now to run on G4, G5 and Yonah Macs can last many users the rest of their life and I do mean 20-30 more years. You guys are really playing elitist now. Looking at all the CURRENT OS 7.6, 8.5 and 9.2.2 users on pre-G3, G3 and G4 Macs today is in the MILLIONS. We are cutting edge types here and not normal at all. We thrive on having the latest THINGS. Most Mac users do not.

You buy a Yonah today and it can easily last you the rest of your life WITH all the latest OS and software upgrades from Apple and 3rd parties for many years to come. If there is a 64-bit only world, it will be a subset and not an ONLY WAY up. We have reached a speed threshold that is not going to need to be exceeded by 90% of the users out there - 2GHz Core Duo.

I need a bigger imagination to understand why more speed will be needed by most. On the other hand, I imagine I will not be happy with the speed for several more years because I want to be able to transcode HDTV recordings from native 8GB/hr to 351MB/hr or smaller mp4 archive size in a few seconds - like maybe 5-10 seconds at the most. And that is not going to happen until I can run 16-32 cores @ 10GHz or faster each. But I wonder how many out there are like me? Probably not many.

Next Spring we get 8 Core Mac Pros. That will be a start. But my dream of instant transcoding is still years away.

If we project a scant two years of reign per major incremental release of this great system X, you see how far out we are talking about - 10 years or more.

10.5 = 2007-2008 Core 2 Duo & Quad Spring '07
10.6 = 2009-2010 Core 3 Duo & Quad
10.7 = 2011-2012 Core 4 Quad
10.8 = 2013-2014 Core 5 Quad
10.9 = 2015-2016 Core 6 Oct

 

[codo]

Oh please! Average Joe... i.e. people who don’t buy computers and then post on forums about their computers, firstly don’t know what 32 or 64 bit is. And secondly would not UPGRADE their computer to accommodate this.

If Apple ships a few million 32 bit computers this year, and possibly some next year, they ARE NOT going to miss the opportunity of selling 10.5 to these people at £90 ($120) a pop.

Apple is a business. Businesses make money.

 

[rugonnaeatthat]

Trackpad issue...

question to those with a macbook:

I've only had mine since friday and my trackpad button is worrying me. If I press it lightly on the top half of it (not actually activating the button), it drops about 1/2 a mm and feels as though it passes a ledge of somekind and makes an annoying click. If I use the bottom half of it it is fine.

Just wondering if this is an isolated issue or if all Macbook trackpads are affected?

Meanwhile if anyone is buying a Macbook make sure (before you leave the shops carpark) that it does not have this problem.