Macbook Released

[matticus008]

question to those with a macbook:

I've only had mine since friday and my trackpad button is worrying me. If I press it lightly on the top half of it (not actually activating the button), it drops about 1/2 a mm and feels as though it passes a ledge of somekind and makes an annoying click. If I use the bottom half of it it is fine.

I'm not sure about the sound, but if it's any consolation, my PowerBook trackpad button feels like it has more travel at the top than the bottom (probably because the touchpad is recessed slightly compared to the aluminum shell, and the whole button "rocks" back and forth depending on which edge is pressed). I don't know if that's what you're experiencing precisely, though.

 

[rugonnaeatthat]

I'm not sure about the sound, but if it's any consolation, my PowerBook trackpad button feels like it has more travel at the top than the bottom (probably because the touchpad is recessed slightly compared to the aluminum shell, and the whole button "rocks" back and forth depending on which edge is pressed). I don't know if that's what you're experiencing precisely, though.

thanks for the reply matticus, but mine does have quite a loud clicking sound... I think I will open the macbook up after I finish some work and see if I can see anything from under the battery.

 

[Cybergypsy]

question to those with a macbook:

I've only had mine since friday and my trackpad button is worrying me. If I press it lightly on the top half of it (not actually activating the button), it drops about 1/2 a mm and feels as though it passes a ledge of somekind and makes an annoying click. If I use the bottom half of it it is fine.

Just wondering if this is an isolated issue or if all Macbook trackpads are affected?

Meanwhile if anyone is buying a Macbook make sure (before you leave the shops carpark) that it does not have this problem.

Mines fine

 

[andrewface]

just put one on order!
black macbook with upgrade to 1gb ram
cant wait!

 

[Nate4747]

question to those with a macbook:

I've only had mine since friday and my trackpad button is worrying me. If I press it lightly on the top half of it (not actually activating the button), it drops about 1/2 a mm and feels as though it passes a ledge of somekind and makes an annoying click. If I use the bottom half of it it is fine.

Just wondering if this is an isolated issue or if all Macbook trackpads are affected?

Meanwhile if anyone is buying a Macbook make sure (before you leave the shops carpark) that it does not have this problem.

Mine was doing that too. I took out the battery and put a little pressure on the silver circle inside the battery bay. Not too much force, just enough to move it up a little. It now works great.

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

UNTIL Leopard? What are you smoking? They will accelerate with Leopard - not die.

You`ve got me all wrong mate. What I meant was that you wont have problems until Leopard is upgraded. ie bout 3 years from now. Your Yonah MB/MBP will be more than enough to handle most of the apps till then. Once that three-four year period is gone, your MB wont have enough power to run latest apps to their best potential. And by latest Apps I mean Heavy apps such as PS/FCP, not some iTunes/email/browsers etc. It`ll run all the apps but it`ll be atleast 50% slower than the newer computers(to say the least).

You can't seriously believe that Leopard will not support 32-bit Core Duo as well as G3, G4 and G5 Macs? Please get a grip man.The day Mac OS X only supports 64-bit PPC G5 and Core 2+ Duo is probably two or three major releases out - AT THE SOONEST.

What made you believe I ever said that? You made that up yourself. Not me. Please try and read a post with your eyes open next time. I absolutely second your thoughts, except for the fact that I never ever hinted at this not being true. You are trying to correct me when I didnt say anything at all.

Laptop has life of no more than 4 years? You are seriously out of touch with reality. Today's MacBook will last many the rest of their lives and certainly 10 or more years at least. A 2GHz Core Duo is very fast and will only get faster with each incremental OS update and major release. Yonah MacBooks too slow in 3 years?

By a laptop/computer`s life I mean the time it can run the latest software/apps without any real difference when compared to the latest hardware on the market. So your brand new MB/MBP will be outdated and slow when compared to the hardware available four years from now. It`ll still run all the apps it was running at the time of launch. But dont expect it to run the latest apps as good as the newer Macs.

Also you can take other technological advancements into consideration. eg. the new MB has a builtin iSight and can run windows natively. These two features only were more than enough to make my 4 months old iBook G4 absolutely outdated. Also I always wanted my Lappy to be WideScreen. Plus I really like GLOSSY screen over Matte finish. Also you can count MagSafe, MagLatch,FrontRow. So even if I forget bout the speed difference between iBook and MB; these few features would still make my iBook outdated within a year of purchase. Thats why I calculate any computers life to be not more than 4 years. I know that the 1.33iBook would have served me for next 5 years atleast. May be more. But in comparison to the newer MB it seems too slow and outdated. And it wasnt even a year old.

Now, I m new to Macs and dont know bout them as much as you might. So please help me here. Go back in time a lil bit. And tell me the specs of the iBook available exactly 4 years ago. Now compare it to the current 1.83 MB. Do you REALLY MEAN there`s not much of a difference between the two`s performance in various tasks/apps. Do both of them run FCP at the same speed. Or the iBOok is just marginally slower? Aint that margin bout 50% at least? OK. Forget FCP. Just load Tiger on both of them and note the diff while doing simple tasks like WebBrowsing, Movies etc. I m still sure you`ll find the difference big enough to distinguish between the two with naked eyes(OOPS. You dont try with naked eyes. Keep those specs on.)

If yes then I think I`ve proved my point. If no, then please redo the Math until you agree with me . I can feel the diff between the new MB and my last iBook to be HUGE. From booting up the OSX, to apps launching in less than half time; I can never use that old iBook again. It is really really TOO SLOW.

You are really one of the most absurd posters I've read here in a long time.

Oh no No no. I just cant accept that award/compliment at all. AtLeast not till there are people like you on these forums who are 10 times more deserving than me

 

[Multimedia]

OK I Apologize - But Today's MacBook Will Still Be Very Fast In 4 Years

You`ve got me all wrong mate. What I meant was that you wont have problems until Leopard is upgraded. ie bout 3 years from now. Your Yonah MB/MBP will be more than enough to handle most of the apps till then. Once that three-four year period is gone, your MB wont have enough power to run latest apps to their best potential. And by latest Apps I mean Heavy apps such as PS/FCP, not some iTunes/email/browsers etc. It`ll run all the apps but it`ll be atleast 50% slower than the newer computers(to say the least).

What made you believe I ever said that? You made that up yourself. Not me. Please try and read a post with your eyes open next time. I absolutely second your thoughts, except for the fact that I never ever hinted at this not being true. You are trying to correct me when I didnt say anything at all.

By a laptop/computer`s life I mean the time it can run the latest software/apps without any real difference when compared to the latest hardware on the market. So your brand new MB/MBP will be outdated and slow when compared to the hardware available four years from now. It`ll still run all the apps it was running at the time of launch. But dont expect it to run the latest apps as good as the newer Macs.

Also you can take other technological advancements into consideration. eg. the new MB has a builtin iSight and can run windows natively. These two features only were more than enough to make my 4 months old iBook G4 absolutely outdated. Also I always wanted my Lappy to be WideScreen. Plus I really like GLOSSY screen over Matte finish. Also you can count MagSafe, MagLatch,FrontRow. So even if I forget bout the speed difference between iBook and MB; these few features would still make my iBook outdated within a year of purchase. Thats why I calculate any computers life to be not more than 4 years. I know that the 1.33iBook would have served me for next 5 years atleast. May be more. But in comparison to the newer MB it seems too slow and outdated. And it wasnt even a year old.

Now, I m new to Macs and dont know bout them as much as you might. So please help me here. Go back in time a lil bit. And tell me the specs of the iBook available exactly 4 years ago. Now compare it to the current 1.83 MB. Do you REALLY MEAN there`s not much of a difference between the two`s performance in various tasks/apps. Do both of them run FCP at the same speed. Or the iBOok is just marginally slower? Aint that margin bout 50% at least? OK. Forget FCP. Just load Tiger on both of them and note the diff while doing simple tasks like WebBrowsing, Movies etc. I m still sure you`ll find the difference big enough to distinguish between the two with naked eyes(OOPS. You dont try with naked eyes. Keep those specs on.)

If yes then I think I`ve proved my point. If no, then please redo the Math until you agree with me . I can feel the diff between the new MB and my last iBook to be HUGE. From booting up the OSX, to apps launching in less than half time; I can never use that old iBook again. It is really really TOO SLOW.

Oh no No no. I just cant accept that award/compliment at all. AtLeast not till there are people like you on these forums who are 10 times more deserving than me

OK I Apologize - But Today's MacBook Will Still Be Very Fast In 4 Years. Speed difference between 4 years ago and now is a lot more than now and 4 years in the future. They can only run so fast before faster is not perceptible nor needed.

 

[Trewil]

...But Today's MacBook Will Still Be Very Fast In 4 Years. Speed difference between 4 years ago and now is a lot more than now and 4 years in the future. They can only run so fast before faster is not [sic] perceptible nor needed.

Ha ha ha ha!

Thanks, Multimedia. Or should I say...Nostradamus? That is the funniest thing I have heard all day. Good to know that with the Intel Core Duos we have come so close to the pinnacle of processor technology. Who knew!

 

[Multimedia]

2GHz Core Duo MacBook Will Rock For Years To Come

...But Today's MacBook Will Still Be Very Fast In 4 Years. Speed difference between 4 years ago and now is a lot more than now and 4 years in the future. They can only run so fast before faster is not [sic] perceptible nor needed.

Ha ha ha ha!

Thanks, Multimedia. Or should I say...Nostradamus? That is the funniest thing I have heard all day. Good to know that with the Intel Core Duos we have come so close to the pinnacle of processor technology. Who knew!

Here is the new iBook 4 years ago last week. Surely you don't believe that coming forward 3 processor generations with twice the cores running 3x each is going to happen in 4 more years? That would be Core 4 Duo running @ 6GHz each or 4 cores @ 3GHz each which seems more likely. Will be interesting to see if that happens. Think we'll still be in Core 3 Duo or Quad space in 4 years though which would be only a two generation advancement vs. 3 in the past 4 years.

I didn't mean it in a predictive sense. I didn't mean it in a technical measurement sense. I mean it in the sense that the Core Duo Mac Book yeilds near instant response when doing tasks that most users will ever want to do with them. I didn't mean it from a power-users-who-must-always-have-state-of-the-art-Macs point of view. I meant it only in the most users sense.

Four years ago in 2002 PowerMacs were running two G4 processors at 1GHz while PowerBooks were running a single 800 MHz (.8GHz) G4. iBooks were running G3 Processors @ 700 MHz (.7GHz) with maximum ram of 640MB on a 100 MHz bus and a 20GB hard drive. At the time they seemed pretty fast. Today they still seem fairly fast for average tasks and all run Tiger. But I think the leap to a 2GHz Core Duo processor in the little MacBook compared to back then is a lot more from a regular users' perception point of view than the future 4 core mobiles will be in 4 years compared to now. Bottleneck will be in the internet connection right? It's like you're implying that if I drive a 1957 Chevy instead of a 2007 Honda that the Chevy is useless. You think the 2006 MacBook will be useless in 2010 running 10.6? Or you think they will be way too slow to do fundamental computing as well as advanced computing with today's Pro software's decendant versions - and Leopard's as well - still running on them then?

Even if today's MacBook can't run 10.6 - which I seriously doubt will be the case - don't you think a Leopard MacBook in 4 years will still be a pretty powerful and quickly responsive platform for most people?

I dont' really get the point of your attempt to insult me.

 

[iKwick7]

Can anyone confirm good ram to use as an upgrade yourself? There was that 2 gigs of ram from Omnidirect-or something- that was going for around $144. That just seems too good to be true. Newegg has Patriot 1 gigs at about $84, but I heard bad things. So can anyone confirm (i.e. who actually owns) what is good ram to buy?

 

[wickersty]

Can anyone confirm good ram to use as an upgrade yourself? There was that 2 gigs of ram from Omnidirect-or something- that was going for around $144. That just seems too good to be true. Newegg has Patriot 1 gigs at about $84, but I heard bad things. So can anyone confirm (i.e. who actually owns) what is good ram to buy?

I'm wondering this as well... anyone that's actually using non-Mac Store RAM that has any opinions?

 

[Willis]

We are in serious pissing match territory now. The OS and the software we have right now to run on G4, G5 and Yonah Macs can last many users the rest of their life and I do mean 20-30 more years. You guys are really playing elitist now. Looking at all the CURRENT OS 7.6, 8.5 and 9.2.2 users on pre-G3, G3 and G4 Macs today is in the MILLIONS. We are cutting edge types here and not normal at all. We thrive on having the latest THINGS. Most Mac users do not.

You buy a Yonah today and it can easily last you the rest of your life WITH all the latest OS and software upgrades from Apple and 3rd parties for many years to come. If there is a 64-bit only world, it will be a subset and not an ONLY WAY up. We have reached a speed threshold that is not going to need to be exceeded by 90% of the users out there - 2GHz Core Duo.

I need a bigger imagination to understand why more speed will be needed by most. On the other hand, I imagine I will not be happy with the speed for several more years because I want to be able to transcode HDTV recordings from native 8GB/hr to 351MB/hr or smaller mp4 archive size in a few seconds - like maybe 5-10 seconds at the most. And that is not going to happen until I can run 16-32 cores @ 10GHz or faster each. But I wonder how many out there are like me? Probably not many.

Next Spring we get 8 Core Mac Pros. That will be a start. But my dream of instant transcoding is still years away.

If we project a scant two years of reign per major incremental release of this great system X, you see how far out we are talking about - 10 years or more.

10.5 = 2007-2008 Core 2 Duo
10.6 = 2009-2010 Core 3 Duo
10.7 = 2011-2012 Core 4 Quad
10.8 = 2013-2014 Core 5 Quad
10.9 = 2015-2016 Core 6 Oct

i agree with you lol, i was saying to the other guy how computers last as long as you want them to last, and refered to G3 users who still use G3s.

 

[Mal]

Can anyone confirm good ram to use as an upgrade yourself? There was that 2 gigs of ram from Omnidirect-or something- that was going for around $144. That just seems too good to be true. Newegg has Patriot 1 gigs at about $84, but I heard bad things. So can anyone confirm (i.e. who actually owns) what is good ram to buy?

I just installed a 1 gig stick of Omni Ram, and it works great so far. Of course, it's only been in the machine for about an hour, but I'll let you know if I have any problems. They do guarantee it for life.

jW

 

[Cybergypsy]

I just installed a 1 gig stick of Omni Ram, and it works great so far. Of course, it's only been in the machine for about an hour, but I'll let you know if I have any problems. They do guarantee it for life.

jW

its on the site for 99.00 is that what you paid...or did you find it cheaper???

 

[retroz311]

Macbook GPU Artifacts with Pix/Images

Has anyone seen this thread/blog...

I found it while looking around one of the leading Mac magazines forums...

http://www.johnwaller.org/apple/macbook/


Has anyone else seen this problem? I can't start a threat but am hopefull that the Mod's will start a thread on this. It appears this person went out and got several mac books so far.


RRight now I use a Intel Centrino and it gets hot too 95C underload (Photoshop, InDesign, Fireworks, or Nuendo/SX) then cools down but my GPU is ATI and wonder how far away it is from the main CPU vs the Macbook GPU.

This needs to be looked into.

Peace

 

[Xpresso]

my perspective on computing power

I'm posting this from an iBook G3 500mhz with 384mb ram, 8mb vram,15gb hd running 10.3.9 which we've had for over 5 years and has been dropped a few times, closure catch broke, and it has never skipped a beat, my last powerbook was a 667mhz with just over a gig or ram and i used it for everything, including FCP and DVD creation but that was passed on to family member. Now i've ordered a Macbook 2ghz with 120gb hd, 3gb ram so this thing should be a flying machine compared to any other laptop i've ever had, heck, its faster than the G5 i use in work every day!, happy days ahead....

 

[Cybergypsy]

Has anyone seen this thread/blog...

I found it while looking around one of the leading Mac magazines forums...

http://www.johnwaller.org/apple/macbook/


Has anyone else seen this problem? I can't start a threat but am hopefull that the Mod's will start a thread on this. It appears this person went out and got several mac books so far.


RRight now I use a Intel Centrino and it gets hot too 95C underload (Photoshop, InDesign, Fireworks, or Nuendo/SX) then cools down but my GPU is ATI and wonder how far away it is from the main CPU vs the Macbook GPU.

This needs to be looked into.

Peace

Not here, but will bookmark and watch.....

 

[Tastannin]

Can anyone confirm good ram to use as an upgrade yourself? There was that 2 gigs of ram from Omnidirect-or something- that was going for around $144. That just seems too good to be true. Newegg has Patriot 1 gigs at about $84, but I heard bad things. So can anyone confirm (i.e. who actually owns) what is good ram to buy?

I got 2 gig of Omni Technologies RAM for my intel Mac Mini (basically the same as a MacBook), for $144, and it's been working great (Safari, Office, EyeTV, iMovie, iDVD, Handbrake, TiVo Desktop, and Mac the Ripper). It even passes the Apple Hardware Test.

Go for it.

 

[Multimedia]

Omni OPTIVAL Ram Is Good RAM - Path Through Ramseeker.com Only Way To Get $76.99/GB

Can anyone confirm good ram to use as an upgrade yourself? There was that 2 gigs of ram from Omnidirect-or something- that was going for around $144. That just seems too good to be true. Newegg has Patriot 1 gigs at about $84, but I heard bad things. So can anyone confirm (i.e. who actually owns) what is good ram to buy?

I'm wondering this as well... anyone that's actually using non-Mac Store RAM that has any opinions?

I just installed a 1 gig stick of Omni Ram, and it works great so far. Of course, it's only been in the machine for about an hour, but I'll let you know if I have any problems. They do guarantee it for life.

jW

its on the site for 99.00 is that what you paid...or did you find it cheaper???

I have repeatedly promised you it is good ram. I have been buying Omni ram for years with no problems at all. It is not too good to be true since it is true. Other members here have confirmed Omni to be good ram.

Remember you have to go through Ramseeker.com to get the lower price on the OPTIVAL for $76.99 each. by searching above for MacBook Pro ram - the same ram MacBook uses - then clicking on the PRICE-LINK to go to the Omni site where that price of $76.99 will be displayed on a buy page. Any other path will cost a lot more.

is that deal still around? can you provide a link? i thought i saw something like this somewhere else, but following the link resulted in a higher priced ram kit.

See Above. Omni just raised their price for that ram to $76.99 today.

 

[wickersty]

I got 2 gig of Omni Technologies RAM for my intel Mac Mini (basically the same as a MacBook), for $144, and it's been working great (Safari, Office, EyeTV, iMovie, iDVD, Handbrake, TiVo Desktop, and Mac the Ripper). It even passes the Apple Hardware Test.

Go for it.

is that deal still around? can you provide a link? i thought i saw something like this somewhere else, but following the link resulted in a higher priced ram kit.

 

[Tastannin]

is that deal still around? can you provide a link? i thought i saw something like this somewhere else, but following the link resulted in a higher priced ram kit.

Read what Multimedia says above:

Remember you have to go through Ramseeker.com to get the lowre price on the OPTIVAL for $71.99 each. by searching above for MacBook Pro ram then clicking on the price top go to Omni. Any other path will cost a lot more.

This is the only way to get the Omni ram at this cheap price.

 

[iKwick7]

I have repeatedly promised you it is good ram. I have been buying Omni ram for years with no problems at all. It is not too good to be true since it is true. Other members here have confirmed Omni to be good ram.

Remember you have to go through Ramseeker.com to get the lower price on the OPTIVAL for $71.99 each. by searching above for MacBook Pro ram then clicking on the PRICE-LINK to go to Omni site where that price of $71.99 will be displayed on a buy page. Any other path will cost a lot more.

Yeah I saw the link earlier today (and when it was originally posted as well), but now that I have actually ordered a MacBook I have to get serious about buying ram. I was contemplating between the Omni and something from NewEgg (which would cost about $50 more), but since everyone is saying good things about Omni, then Omni it is! Thanks!

 

[MacUser4_20]

LISTEN to Multimedia!! I couldnt even touch ramseeker/Optival's pricing with discounts on my end or anywhere else. Just bought 4GB for my G5 2.3 Dual and it was UNDER $275 shipped!!

I have repeatedly promised you it is good ram. I have been buying Omni ram for years with no problems at all. It is not too good to be true since it is true. Other members here have confirmed Omni to be good ram.

Remember you have to go through Ramseeker.com to get the lower price on the OPTIVAL for $71.99 each. by searching above for MacBook Pro ram then clicking on the PRICE-LINK to go to the Omni site where that price of $71.99 will be displayed on a buy page. Any other path will cost a lot more.
See Above.

 

[Cybergypsy]

Just ordered Ram from Omni, the guy guy said to order before the price increase, and they ship world wide..... 1 g is 76.99 at the moment and 4.99 for shipping...just passing it on.....

 

[rugonnaeatthat]

so now we play the waiting game...

I just bought some RAM off ebay (A-Data brand) $97AU (apx US$73) for 1GB.

I got 2gb and I can't wait! My Macbook (with 512mb) is almost unusable running Photoshop under Rosetta - huge lags as every thing is pushed through virtual memory - the good news is that it is quite zippy until it hits VM.

RAM ETA 1 week

so now we play the waiting game...