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kugino said:
Arghhhhh
You are hurting my eyes
Apple dont make one that will fit my use - or lots of other people no doubt.
want small MBP.
MB with non integrated graphics would have done the job.
MacBook with crap integrated graphics does not do the job.
15.4 " MBP does not - too big.
note to apple - build me a portable MBP, and i will pay for it.
edit : dont worry about the design, just stick it in a 12" PB case
Azurael said:
Are you on crack? Since when was the iBook a good games machine! Sure enough it had a dedicated card, but it was hellishly slow compared to these new MacBooks running on Universal Binaries - the cpu coupled with the integrated graphics are faster than iBooks.
Will people *stop* ripping the **** out of these integrated graphics without actually having first-hand experience of using these MacBooks? Nearly everything I've heard said about it (doesn't work with Aperture, won't run Logic, Final Cut Pro, Photoshop properly) has just been lies.
-Leemo
vangrl said:
The only issue would be space - the top of the line hard drive you can buy with the MacBook is 120 GB, though if reports are accurate, you can buy a larger 3rd party hard drive and replace it pretty easily (what's the biggest available drive for these, 160 GB?) now or in the future, and you can always buy a firewire external for archiving - nobody really *needs* to carry more than 120 GB of video around on a laptop. As far as connection speed, the Airport is 54 Mb/s, and the ethernet 1 Gb/s, the same as any desktop, and the processor is more than fast enough.
Edit: OK, maybe if you are a documentary filmmaker with a lot of raw footage you might NEED 120 GB of video, but wouldn't you then use an external drive so you can carry 300 GB or more?
yes, stella! i think it's a dramatic step up from the ibook. you're getting significant upgrades in a lot of areas...people are so upset with the integrated graphics and many want it to have features that aren't even found on the MB Pros!!Stella said:
so people say it would have been better if it had this or that...OF COURSE it would be better with discrete graphics. OF COURSE it would be better with more standard ram. but apple had to make some decisions and they chose to upgrade certain areas more than others. why are people so angry? what were they expecting? a MB pro for $1000?? give me a break.
tny said:
I dunno about video but I'd love a 160GB drive on my laptop as my DJing uses full-fat aiff files. My 80GB on the powerbook is pretty much full and I could easily fill a 160GB.
Statements like the above are a bit like Gates' assertion that no-one needs more that 640kb of ram.
kugino said:
I'm waiting on a MBP ultraportable. I'm willing to pay the price and I don't think it's out of the question Apple will go that route given the choice of chips Intel have (ULV dual-core etc etc).
The MB is a bit wider than my 12" pbook. I don't think it's that big. I'd like smaller though.
Leemo said:
Hey i don't know about azurael's drug taking, i agree with you, the ibook sucks at games too - i have a 800Mhz g4 12"
No I wont stop ripping the **** out of the integrated graphics, there are plenty of benchmarks available on the CD mac mini with craptel integrated graphics showing that you cant play 3d games - the macbook has near identical specs in that regard.
Congrats on your new macbook - seriously - i think they represent great value for anyone who doesn't play ANY 3D games. A little heavy/bulky - but for the price, ther're cool. I just cant buy one to use as my only computer, and so far it seems apple has no plans to build a laptop that will suit my needs (1 - small, 2- good allround performance AND 3 - ability to play the odd 3D game)
MacTablet said:Hey i don't know about azurael's drug taking, i agree with you, the ibook sucks at games too - i have a 800Mhz g4 12"
No I wont stop ripping the **** out of the integrated graphics, there are plenty of benchmarks available on the CD mac mini with craptel integrated graphics showing that you cant play 3d games - the macbook has near identical specs in that regard.
Congrats on your new macbook - seriously - i think they represent great value for anyone who doesn't play ANY 3D games. A little heavy/bulky - but for the price, ther're cool. I just cant buy one to use as my only computer, and so far it seems apple has no plans to build a laptop that will suit my needs (1 - small, 2- good allround performance AND 3 - ability to play the odd 3D game)
My main issue with what people are saying is that integrated graphics *instantly* means that this laptop is crap - doesn't play games, and that older Apple laptops are somehow faster because they have their own graphics card - which is a load of rubbish.
Fair enough it won't play games amazingly well, I wish people would stop moaning about that and buy a different laptop. If it *did* have a radeon card and was more expensive people would still complain: "Why would I want to play games on a 13.3" screen" etc. etc.
This machine for the price is amazing. It's replaced my intel iMac because it runs all the Pro apps that I use as fast (and in certain cases faster) than the iMac. Since I have an Xbox 360 (and barely use it) games playing ability really isn't an issue to me.
Trust me, it's neither heavy nor bulky either.
-Leemo
matticus008 said:
Rendering 3D models you can manipulate on-screen most certainly DOES have something to do with the available video memory. When we added a $200 video card to the machines with integrated graphics, SolidWorks ran fine. We have done this at least 3 times, so I think I have sound reasons for saying that the graphics card was the biggest part of the problem.
See http://www.solidworks.com/pages/services/SystemRequirements.html and here are the usage notes on the Radeon 7200 with SolidWorks 2006 :
There are no usage notes for any Intel cards listed. None.
Maybe you can run SolidWorks on a MacBook satisfactorily, depending upon the application you're using it for. But I wouldn't expect it to work as well as it does with a high-end video card.
Be reasonable. The MacBook is a great machine, but it is not ideal for every application.
Question for you guys
You know its now common (im living in Norway), that you need to x-ray the laptop apart from your hand luggage at the security check at the airport...
But i was wondering... Does the x-rays have any effect on the laptops hardware etc?
You know its now common (im living in Norway), that you need to x-ray the laptop apart from your hand luggage at the security check at the airport...
But i was wondering... Does the x-rays have any effect on the laptops hardware etc?
Well, I have one and
It is absolutley FANTASTIC! I purchased the 1099 one, all that I gave up was a DVD burner and a few MHZ. WHO CARES, the screen is perfect, color is outstanding, keyboard is excellent, I loaded Call of Duty and played in 1024x768 in a window with NO PROBLEM.
I had the Macbook Pro and returned it, under the 15 days and saved myself 1,000 dollars. I can replace the HD and memory at when I want, right now, no need. I had a 512meg stick of memory, slapped it in and up to 768meg in under 5 mins.
You guys that are slamming these out to take another look, it is perfect.
It is absolutley FANTASTIC! I purchased the 1099 one, all that I gave up was a DVD burner and a few MHZ. WHO CARES, the screen is perfect, color is outstanding, keyboard is excellent, I loaded Call of Duty and played in 1024x768 in a window with NO PROBLEM.
I had the Macbook Pro and returned it, under the 15 days and saved myself 1,000 dollars. I can replace the HD and memory at when I want, right now, no need. I had a 512meg stick of memory, slapped it in and up to 768meg in under 5 mins.
You guys that are slamming these out to take another look, it is perfect.
emotion said:I dunno about video but I'd love a 160GB drive on my laptop as my DJing uses full-fat aiff files. My 80GB on the powerbook is pretty much full and I could easily fill a 160GB.
Statements like the above are a bit like Gates' assertion that no-one needs more that 640kb of ram.
You don't understand the difference between *need* and *want*, do you? You've got what, 60 hours of music on that thing? That means you could do maybe 10 to 12 gigs without repeating a song? Now, I understand wanting to have access to everything you could ever want to play, but obviously you don't really need the 160 GB drive. If you *needed* more than 120 GB of hard drive space on your PowerBook, you wouldn't be getting any gigs as a DJ, would you?
Now, Gates apparently said no one would *ever* need more than 640 kB of RAM; I'm saying that RIGHT NOW, or for the next 3-4 years, I don't think anyone actually needs more than 120 GB of video on a portable. I'll correct myself this far: a video documentary filmmaker, or anyone else who has large amounts of raw footage, may want a lot more than that.
Leemo said:
There are a lot of people on this thread who seem to want the MacBook to be a PlayStation 3. It's not intended to be a PlayStation 3, it's intended to be a laptop. I'm buying one, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking it will be anything more than it is advertised to be.
Sinclair Ripoff
Apple! Ripoff! Sir Clive Sinclair's lawyers will be on the phone to Apple tomorrow taking legal action.
Apple! Ripoff! Sir Clive Sinclair's lawyers will be on the phone to Apple tomorrow taking legal action.
kugino said:
yeah i know the MB is a little large for a small laptop - that form factor is the absolute biggest i'll tolerate. the 15.4 MBP is bigger again = too big for me to carry around ALL day.
If you read my posts you'd know that I said I would pay whatever apple wants for a small (pref 12" - but i'll take 13" if i have to!) MBP. Is this clear enough for you ? If apple released a laptop with 15"MBP specs in a 12" form factor - i'd pay whatever it cost - OK?
curmi said:Apple! Ripoff! Sir Clive Sinclair's lawyers will be on the phone to Apple tomorrow taking legal action.
Damn man, I've played some really fun games on that machine...good times when we had to rewind the cassette to make software run...
GO OUTSIDE, THE GRAPHICS ARE AMAZING!!!111oneone
I think it is absolutely disgusting, the fuss that people are kicking up over integrated graphics. This MacBook is loaded with features, a fast Core Duo processor, iSight, 2GB Max RAM, easily upgradeble HD, etc... this is more than enough for the people it was aimed at.
This graphics chipset is an improvement over the previous iBook.
If all you are moaning about is the Integrated Graphics, then fork out a couple of hundred more and go Pro.
It's like buying a well designed, small city car, with a small engine, easy to park up, good mileage per galon, and complaining that it doesn't hit 200 MPH.
(i hope you like my analogy)
The people who are complaining are just too tight to spend a little more for the pro.
To the people threatening to go PC, enjoy your experience! No i genuinely mean that.
Congratulations to everyone who purchased one, i hope you enjoy it as much as my girlfriend will! She will also be purchasing a Wii to satisfy her gaming needs.
Rich.
I think it is absolutely disgusting, the fuss that people are kicking up over integrated graphics. This MacBook is loaded with features, a fast Core Duo processor, iSight, 2GB Max RAM, easily upgradeble HD, etc... this is more than enough for the people it was aimed at.
This graphics chipset is an improvement over the previous iBook.
If all you are moaning about is the Integrated Graphics, then fork out a couple of hundred more and go Pro.
It's like buying a well designed, small city car, with a small engine, easy to park up, good mileage per galon, and complaining that it doesn't hit 200 MPH.
(i hope you like my analogy)
The people who are complaining are just too tight to spend a little more for the pro.
To the people threatening to go PC, enjoy your experience! No i genuinely mean that.
Congratulations to everyone who purchased one, i hope you enjoy it as much as my girlfriend will! She will also be purchasing a Wii to satisfy her gaming needs.
Rich.
So if I get me one of these and want to swap the harddrive myself - should this one work? "Seagate Momentus 5400.2 120GB / SATA-150". The ones Apple Store offer are 5400 rpm ones as well, right? The price difference in my country isn't huge, around $70 more expensive through Apple Store. But I suppose no reason to have them do it if the HDD just slides right out.
How much difference does 7200 rpm make? It costs almost twice as much, so I don't reckon I'll get one of those.
Also, haven't been able to locate 160 GB SATA HDDs. Anyone know where to buy them in Sweden/Europe (online)?
How much difference does 7200 rpm make? It costs almost twice as much, so I don't reckon I'll get one of those.
Also, haven't been able to locate 160 GB SATA HDDs. Anyone know where to buy them in Sweden/Europe (online
)?