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Can Someone Run 1920 x 1200 Monitor Playing HDTV Footage From EyeTV2 Recordings?

jxwolf said:
I just downloaded 3 different 1080p trailers and they played perfectly on my MacBook. No dropped frames, etc. The only time the framerate slowed, it slowed to 23.5 instead of 23.98 but it was only for an instant. These MacBooks are solid.
Do you have or have access to a 1920 x 1200 Apple or Dell 23/24 inch monitor so you could hook up your MacBook to it to see how well native 1920 x 1080p HD runs out of it?

Anyone record HDTV Broadcasts with EyeTV2 on it yet? :)
 
Sims 2

Is the macbook, since it has integrated graphics, be able to play Sims 2? If it can play something up to that performance, then I will buy one. Note: I plan to play the Sims 2 on Windows using Boot Camp. Will integrated graphics hinder performance compared to 9200 (from my mac mini)?
 
kodel said:
I can't believe that Apple would blatantly rip people off by trying to charge $150 more for a black macbook.
It's not a ripoff, it's plain and simple price discrimination, and it makes good business sense.

When you are selling something that appeals to a wide section of the market, including some people with a little money and other people with a lot of money, you face a tough choice. If you price it low, you get more of the poor people to buy it, but you fail to capture more revenue from the rich people who would have been very happy to pay more. If you price it high, you get the extra margin from the rich people but the poor people won't buy it.

So what companies do is take a substantially identical product, and create artificial distinctions, usually based on prestige, to separate the different customer groups. In this case, they are selling the same computer in two different colours, a fundamentally meaningless distinction that nevertheless (as you can see from previous posts in this forum) has been successful in extracting an extra $150 from a great many people who had extra money to spend.

The same thing happens with airline tickets (you think it costs the airline more for you to return the same week without a Saturday night stay?), generic groceries (ever notice how many of them come from the same factory as the name-brand stuff?), designer clothes at factory outlet shops, and countless other consumer goods. None of these is a ripoff; it's just a way to allow low- and high-income buyers to get what they want without costing the seller revenue.

The day you can prove to me that you were forced to buy the black one, or you NEED black, is the day when you can start talking about being ripped off.
 
Hector said:
mpeg2 hardware decodeing and all of apples fancy quartz stuff.
MPEG2 is fine, as long as the video you want is in MPEG2. I have no trouble playing DVDs on my mini, which is about the only MPEG2 stuff I come across any more.

As for "Apple's fancy Quartz Stuff" what of this isn't supported by the GMA950 exactly? It all seems to run extremely fast on my mini, much smoother than on any other Mac I own.
 
Evangelion said:

I just ran Cinebench (the linked benchmark) on my Macbook and came up with the following results:

C4D Shading: 352 CB-GFX
OpenGL HW: 1100 CB-GFX
OpenGL SW: 1201 CB-GFX

This places the new MacBook on par with the Mini when it comes to hardware rendering (this was expected, because they share a common GPU) and above the 12" Powerbook (with the GeForce FX Go5200). Comparing that to the previously posted benchmark, the new MacBook spanks the previous Powerbook in OpenGL rendering using integrated graphics, both in hardware and software (CPU) rendering.
 
dr_lha said:
The Vaio SZ is about $1000 more than the MacBook though, so its hardly a fair comparison.

The lowest end of the SZ series (SZ140) is $1589 when configured with:

Core Duo 1.83 GHz
Motion Eye camera & Bluetooth
512MB DDR-SDRAM (DDR2-533, 256MB x 2)
60 GB HDD
"Combo" drive
13.3" WXGA "XBrite" LCD

It's 4.07 lbs. with 6~ hrs of battery life.

Lowest end config is $1399 for Core Solo 1.66 GHz, no camera, 40 GB HDD...
 
Multimedia said:
Do you have or have access to a 1920 x 1200 Apple or Dell 23/24 inch monitor so you could hook up your MacBook to it to see how well native 1920 x 1080p HD runs out of it?

Anyone record HDTV Broadcasts with EyeTV2 on it yet? :)

Yes, but I don't have a dongle :(

I am sitting in front of a Dell 2405FPW (1920x1200) right now, but don't have a way to hook it up, unfortuantely. When I played the trailers, I just let them play although I couldn't see the entire video on the screen.
 
Gatezone said:
Here's the rub. There are a lot of us who don't do a lot of gaming but I think there are things that we do want to do (movies, consumer video editing, etc.) that *might* be affected by these decisions.
You'd be won't be affected though. Movies (an Mac Mini Core Duo will play back 1080p HD videos without skipping, so a MacBook certainly will), and "consumer video editing" (I'm assuming iMovie) work fine on the GMA 950.
 
galton1.3 said:
The lowest end of the SZ series (SZ140) is $1589 when configured with:

Core Duo 1.83 GHz
Motion Eye camera & Bluetooth
512MB DDR-SDRAM (DDR2-533, 256MB x 2)
60 GB HDD
"Combo" drive
13.3" WXGA "XBrite" LCD

It's 4.07 lbs. with 6~ hrs of battery life.

Lowest end config is $1399 for Core Solo 1.66 GHz, no camera, 40 GB HDD...
Fair enough, last time I look on CNET for prices! Still, $490 more for 1lb less then, and that's the price with Windows XP Home with is a whole new circle of hell (I use WinXP but wouldn't use anything by XP Pro, which adds another $80 to the price).
 
jxwolf said:
Yes, but I don't have a dongle :(

I am sitting in front of a Dell 2405FPW (1920x1200) right now, but don't have a way to hook it up, unfortuantely. When I played the trailers, I just let them play although I couldn't see the entire video on the screen.
Well you can downscale those trailers to fit your MacBook screen by clicking on the green button of their window or by playing "Full Screen" with QT Pro. 1280 x 720 is 2/3 Native - x1.5 = 1920 x 1080p HD that most HD TVs use. Will leave 40 pixel bars on the top and bottom of your 800 high MacBook screen.

That is exactly my Monitor that I would hook the MacBook to. Can you run to the Apple store and get the dongle or is it something you don't plan to do? MacBook specs say it will drive that monitor you know. :) I want to know how well it will play EyeTV2 HDTV recordings on it. You also have EyeTV 500 Tuner and EyeTV2 Universal software?

Anyone?
 
Bsresponsive1 said:
I am really upset about this and of course I called all the apple stores near me and none of them have any.

This will be my first mac, and it is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth. I have had countless laptops and never had a problem.

You shoudnt base what kind of taste apple leaves in your mouth purely on a keyboard problem. Apple isnt just hardware. In fact apple is more about software. Anyone can make a good looking notebook computer (and they do), apple is about the os man! This is your first apple so i will refrain from telling you to firmly slap yourself. Give it time and the more you learn the os, the more you will be happy you switched.
 
Multimedia said:
Well you can downscale those trailers to fit your MacBook screen by clicking on the green button of their window or by playing "Full Screen" with QT Pro. 1280 x 720 is 2/3 Native - x1.5 = 1920 x 1080p HD that most HD TVs use. Will leave 40 pixel bars on the top and bottom of your 800 high MacBook screen.

That is exactly my Monitor that I would hook the MacBook to. Can you run to the Apple store and get the dongle or is it something you don't plan to do? MacBook specs say it will drive that monitor you know. :) I want to know how well it will play EyeTV2 HDTV recordings on it. You also have EyeTV 500 Tuner and EyeTV2 Universal software?

I realize I can downscale the trailers, but for testing whether or not the machine was up to it, I played them full size. I will get to the apple store to get the dongle as soon as possible, but it will most likely not be until next week. Hooking it up to my 2405 isn't my primary use for my MacBook. I have a stout desktop machine that drives the 24 incher.

With regard to EyeTV2, I do not have the card nor the software, but I do have some HD material in raw format that I can play using VLC. I will let you know how that goes.
 
dialectician said:
That's not quite true, because the MB is replacing the 12 inch PB, which was the closest thing Apple had to an ultraportable.
If you call something that weighs 4.6lbs an ultraportable. I don't personally.
And if Apple releases a subnote that weighs under 4 pounds, I am happy to pay $1000 more to save my back...
Agreed.
 
rajulkabir said:
It's not a ripoff, it's plain and simple price discrimination, and it makes good business sense.

When you are selling something that appeals to a wide section of the market, including some people with a little money and other people with a lot of money, you face a tough choice. If you price it low, you get more of the poor people to buy it, but you fail to capture more revenue from the rich people who would have been very happy to pay more. If you price it high, you get the extra margin from the rich people but the poor people won't buy it.

So what companies do is take a substantially identical product, and create artificial distinctions, usually based on prestige, to separate the different customer groups. In this case, they are selling the same computer in two different colours, a fundamentally meaningless distinction that nevertheless (as you can see from previous posts in this forum) has been successful in extracting an extra $150 from a great many people who had extra money to spend.

The same thing happens with airline tickets (you think it costs the airline more for you to return the same week without a Saturday night stay?), generic groceries (ever notice how many of them come from the same factory as the name-brand stuff?), designer clothes at factory outlet shops, and countless other consumer goods. None of these is a ripoff; it's just a way to allow low- and high-income buyers to get what they want without costing the seller revenue.

The day you can prove to me that you were forced to buy the black one, or you NEED black, is the day when you can start talking about being ripped off.

This is exactly right, but did you also consider that it costs more for Apple to make multiple colors? They're offsetting the cost of creating the special color to those people who actually want a special color. That makes good business sense to me.
 
haha

dr_lha said:
If you call something that weighs 4.6lbs an ultraportable. I don't personally.

Agreed.

cmon 5 pounds is nothing
considering what they have packed into this laptop i think the weight is justified
 
I want to paint it, paint it black

filterban said:
This is exactly right, but did you also consider that it costs more for Apple to make multiple colors? They're offsetting the cost of creating the special color to those people who actually want a special color. That makes good business sense to me.


Yes, it's a good thing for Apple to charge more for the black one. It cost them a lot of money over their production run to do black. It's designer black. It's cool black. It's matte finish black. Easily worth $500 more but it's a bargain at $150.

Apple is doing the best possible thing for all their customers. Their product lines couldn't be any better planned or thought out even if they tried. Their are really a fine company and they are making money which is even more important to a lot of people. Don't sweat it. Don't question it. And for heaven's sake don't expect anything more out of the great innovation company that makes such really cool commercials.

Oh, wait, what's that I see behind the curtain? A troll? My god, will you look at that.

This is hopelessly silly. Just pass the black kool-aid and Paint it Black.
 
retroz311 said:
For APPLE to CRIPPLE the MACBOOK with GMA vs a cheap X600 (which plays unreal fine) but in apples case would allow users to run motion, 3d swift, IS A RIP off. How can you justify $1000 more really just for a GPU that costs nothing these days (x600), the other differential options a pennys, or thereabout.

The MAC BOOKS need dedicated GPU, to market this as a laptop for students, dude, they play games all the time, the GMA can't handle it. That is another RIP OFF! Market to students, then they get upset they can't play games.

Hey dude, did you ever think that the GMA950 is BETTER than the graphics cards that was in the 12" PowerBook and previous iBook?

Did that ever cross your mind?

Because that's what people have reported in this thread.

If you want to use Pro applications, you're going to be better served by the MacBook Pro.

That's it.

The difference in parts is significant:
a) 15"/17" screen with higher res
b) fast 3D card that allows a higher resolution
c) Firewire 800
d) Dual-link DVI
e) 7200 rpm drives (BTO)
f) Expresscard/34
g) Backlit Keyboard
h) Faster processor (2.16ghz)
i) Thinner
j) Aluminum Case

That's a LOT of difference, and I'm probably leaving some stuff out.

Apple could release a smaller laptop with a graphics card, but I can guarantee it would not cost under $1500. It'd be probably $1800, because all you'd save is the screen. Anyone who can actually afford Motion (Final Cut Studio?) would be using a MacBook Pro or, more likely, a Power Mac.
 
Chiropractors for Mac Association Meeting next thrusday

andrewface said:
cmon 5 pounds is nothing
considering what they have packed into this laptop i think the weight is justified

You need to get out more often. This is not "packed" but it is good to see the half filled glass as half filled. And compared to 2.5-3 pounds five pounds at the end of the day is nothing to sneeze at. Just ask a chiropractor.:eek:
 
CaptainCaveMann said:
You shoudnt base what kind of taste apple leaves in your mouth purely on a keyboard problem. Apple isnt just hardware. In fact apple is more about software. Anyone can make a good looking notebook computer (and they do), apple is about the os man! This is your first apple so i will refrain from telling you to firmly slap yourself. Give it time and the more you learn the os, the more you will be happy you switched.

Spot on! You buy into the whole Apple experience! That's, typically, well-made computers (notwithstanding occasional first-batch problems), great software pre-loaded & the BEST OS out there. (This from someone who wouldn't entirely dismiss Vista before I've seen it). However, I'll be very interested to hear what others have to say about the MB's keyboard over the coming days.
 
andrewface said:
cmon 5 pounds is nothing
considering what they have packed into this laptop i think the weight is justified
Thats really a matter of personal prefence though isn't it? I agree the MacBook is an excellent machine, but I would be happy to sacrifice some of those features to get the weight down.

I have owned a 12" PB for nearly 3 years, and the one thing I don't like about it is its weight. Previously I owned a Thinkpad X20 (about 3.1lbs) and a Sony VAIO PG505-TR (3lbs). The optical drive is obviouly the difference between these machines, but I'd personally be happier with a driveless machine that shed a few pounds as I said above.

Now take my perspective of thinking the 12" PB is a bit too heavy, and compare this to the new MacBook which is even heavier, whereas I was really hoping Apple would release a lighter laptop.
 
galton1.3 said:
The lowest end of the SZ series (SZ140) is $1589 when configured with:

Core Duo 1.83 GHz
Motion Eye camera & Bluetooth
512MB DDR-SDRAM (DDR2-533, 256MB x 2)
60 GB HDD
"Combo" drive
13.3" WXGA "XBrite" LCD

It's 4.07 lbs. with 6~ hrs of battery life.

Lowest end config is $1399 for Core Solo 1.66 GHz, no camera, 40 GB HDD...

I think the main point here is that Macbook (most exp model) is not a real replacement for Powerbook 12" - 2.36kg for future Powerbook 12" is rather a joke. However, for 1100usd this weight can be acceptable.
 
Case closed

filterban said:
Hey dude, did you ever think that the GMA950 is BETTER than the graphics cards that was in the 12" PowerBook and previous iBook?

Dude, did it ever cross your mind that if you got a 2% raise that would be more than you are making now? Even if your last raise was three years ago?

The lack of objective logic is staggering as is the incestous comparisons. If it is better than the last thing Apple gave us then we are good to go. Ok. I'm with that. I'm happy now. Case closed. Magnetically closed which is a cool improvement not just a 2% raise.
 
Quartz Composer?

With all the talk of the GMA950....I am trying to determine if Quartz Composer is supported on the macbooks (or the mac mini for that matter). If so, does it run at an acceptable rate? I've searched high and low for a concrete answer in this and other forums, and it seems to be a bit of a gray area. I have read the intel mac mini is supported, but not fully. This is the determining factor in wether i step up to a macbook pro or not. Thanks for any input.
 
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dr_lha said:
Fair enough, last time I look on CNET for prices! Still, $490 more for 1lb less then, and that's the price with Windows XP Home with is a whole new circle of hell (I use WinXP but wouldn't use anything by XP Pro, which adds another $80 to the price).

The SZ point is just that Japanese engineering can do what Apple cannot or will not. Is there German engineering in the house? OS can be handled.

Yet, there is that video Ipod just sitting there staring me in the face laughing and pointing it's earbuds at me saying, "Apple is just playing you fool. They are just using you for interim R & D."

The five pound 13 inch form factor is dead, dead, dead... there will be a funeral service at sundown. Wear black even if it cost you extra.
 
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