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Gatezone said:
In other words it costs money to maintain all the different form factor variations that Apple currently has in the so-called "new" lineup of two product lines: Macbooks and Macbook Pros.
There are three notebooks. Making each one have an option for ExpressCard/no slot, integrated/discrete graphics, different screens, FW800/not, etc. would be a disaster. They'd need no fewer than 24 logic boards to deal with that mess, and different cases to match or some sort of unattractive blanking plate system. What you want is Dell. Apple doesn't do that--they make a few systems targeted at specific market segments. It's easier to buy, to compare, to support, and to engineer. Apple does not have the necessary resources to juggle that many different balls at once. The downside is a rigid product matrix, but you've never had a wide array of options with Apple. It's just they way they do business.

With the former they currently maintain two form factors with and without and to have one that accomodates both would be no more expensive and might be less in the long run.
No, it wouldn't. Each different size would require totally separate engineering--it's a mistake to think that the MacBook and the MacBook Pro lines could be united. Apple has three form factors, and your strategy requires three form factors with added complication and expense. It will cost more, which will cost the customers more when 95% of them are perfectly happy with current lineups.

The current situation is corporate design for maximum customer headaches. Current line-up creates odd false distinctions between what a company thinks people should want as a consumer vs. a professional user instead of leaving it up to the customer.
The consumer/pro distinction is an artificial one largely held by people on this forum. You're free to purchase whatever you want. These are the products that they make. If they don't make what you want, buy it elsewhere. They can't satisfy every consumer preference so they do what they can and if your needs aren't met, that's too bad, but it's not "dinosaur thinking." Apple is doing just fine and the added expense of going after the remaining niches probably won't produce enough profit to make it worthwhile.
 
Upgradable GPU???

Is the gpu not just on the pci express bus? I was looking at Dell's laptops and one of their laptops says it uses the same "integrated" gpu as the new MacBook, but then it gives a build-to-order option for a more powerfull gpu.

So, what does dell do to go from integrated gpu to non-integrated gpu when customizing a laptop that says it has integrated Intel GMA 950???

Where I'm going with this question is obvious... any chance the MacBook gpu can be upgraded?
 
Quick question my cousin wants to know. Is it possible to use the new Macbook's screen for the Xbox 360. Thanks.
 
MacVault said:
Is the gpu not just on the pci express bus? I was looking at Dell's laptops and one of their laptops says it uses the same "integrated" gpu as the new MacBook, but then it gives a build-to-order option for a more powerfull gpu.

So, what does dell do to go from integrated gpu to non-integrated gpu when customizing a laptop that says it has integrated Intel GMA 950???

Where I'm going with this question is obvious... any chance the MacBook gpu can be upgraded?
No.
 
Afro1989 said:
Quick question my cousin wants to know. Is it possible to use the new Macbook's screen for the Xbox 360. Thanks.
There's no video-in on the MacBook so you'd need some external box to do this (like an EyeTV).
 
build to order, really build to order?

MacVault said:
...then it gives a build-to-order option for a more powerfull gpu.

So, what does dell do to go from integrated gpu to non-integrated gpu when customizing a laptop that says it has integrated Intel GMA 950???

"Build-to-order" hmmmm.... let's see a basic form factor and let the customer decide that's a novel idea. You mean it might be possible even with graphic adapters and integrated stuff on the system board...? Wow, what a concept. Not aimed at you Mr. Vault, but this is what I was talking about a bazillion pages ago this morning. It isn't rocket science, it just takes a little different approach to customers and the marketplace.
 
Gatezone said:
"Build-to-order" hmmmm.... let's see a basic form factor and let the customer decide that's a novel idea. You mean it might be possible even with graphic adapters and integrated stuff on the system board...? Wow, what a concept. Not aimed at you Mr. Vault, but this is what I was talking about a bazillion pages ago this morning. It isn't rocket science, it just takes a little different approach to customers and the marketplace.
The main point here is that Apple are not Dell.
 
gloss said:
Okay, fair enough. You're paying $400 for less weight, but you're stuck with Windows and an inferior software bundle. If the size matters that much, I say go for it.

Not for me. I was just correcting an earlier post that described the SZ price as $2000.
 
retroz311 said:
It IS A RIP off when parts cost less than $50+ for the MBP and they design the MacBook to NOT run any PRO applications
Shot who in the what now? What Pro application doesn't the MacBook run? It's not a matter of parts cost alone for the graphics. It's been explained many times before that there are other considerations. It's not like integrated graphics and an X300 or an X1600 are interchangeable. They aren't in any way. You can look to other manufacturers if you'd prefer, but you're not being ripped off. The MacBook and MBP are competitively priced to similarly-equipped machines from other companies. The MBP even comes out cheaper than a number of them.

How can you justify $1000 more really just for a GPU that costs nothing these days (x600), the other differential options a pennys, or thereabout.
Because it's not just the GPU that's different, and it's not a $1000 difference. There's a cost to dedicated graphics beyond dollars which you clearly don't understand.

The MAC BOOKS need dedicated GPU, to market this as a laptop for students, dude, they play games all the time, the GMA can't handle it. That is another RIP OFF! Market to students, then they get upset they can't play games.
Students don't play computer games that much, and most of what I've seen isn't 3D intensive. 3D computer gaming on notebooks is not as ubiquitous as you believe, which might be hard to see if you and your friends are gamers.
 
kodel said:
I can't believe that Apple would blatantly rip people off by trying to charge $150 more for a black macbook. ... But lately, there have been disturbing trends - like charging $100 for a leather case for the ipod. Like charging $16 for socks to hold an ipod. And now, charging a premium for a different color of computer? It is so blatantly a rip off to consumers that I must say I hope apple gets blasted for doing this.
If Apple charged a two-thousand-dollar premium for black, would you be angry...or just amused? It's funny how people can laugh and shake their head in disbelief when the premium is out-of-this-world outrageous, but wax indignant when the premium is just beyond reach.

No one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy a black MacBook. People buy it by choice. Or do you have a problem with capitalist acts between consenting adults?
 
DesmoDog said:
The status most likely says something along the lines of "estimated shipping by may 23". I ordered mine (white 2.0 with no options) yesterday morning and it shipped early this morning...

But if it's a BTO then i'm not sure how it works and you're on your own. ;)

BTW: The status on mine orignially estimated shipping by the 23rd and delivery by the 31st. The FedEx tracking now says estimated delivery around noon on Friday 5/19. :D

Mine had the same dates as you, and shipped from china this AM, delivery is noon on friday...just hope it does not get hung up in customs...they did that with my mini
 
Cedd said:
To me a "rip-off" suggests that you are being misled about your purchase in some way - that is not what Apple are doing with the Black Macbooks - they are offering a colour option at a premium.
Precisely. I've heard that in America (where I live), the jewelry sold at malls is more-or-less the same as the jewelry sold in upscale boutiques--that there are three tiers of stores, all selling the same jewelry, but at different price levels. If true, that would be a ripoff...but only IF the middle and top tier falsely represent their wares as superior.
 
MacVault said:
Is the gpu not just on the pci express bus? I was looking at Dell's laptops and one of their laptops says it uses the same "integrated" gpu as the new MacBook, but then it gives a build-to-order option for a more powerfull gpu.

So, what does dell do to go from integrated gpu to non-integrated gpu when customizing a laptop that says it has integrated Intel GMA 950???

Where I'm going with this question is obvious... any chance the MacBook gpu can be upgraded?

So again, my question is... Does Dell swap out the main board (with integrated GPU) with another board on to which they "plug in" an alternate GPU? Or are they leaving the board with integrated GPU, disabling it, and plugging in a second (more powerful) GPU when customizing one of their laptops???
 
Macbook Condoms?

PaulinMaryland said:
I'm confused why so many people care about the MacBook's color. Won't most of us cover it completely in a skin, to protect it? If I preferred black, I'd buy a MacBook in white and cover it in a black neoprene skin.

I've been in the powerbook world for some time (can't you tell :eek:) and am not hip to the skins for these new Macbooks. I have skins on my Treo, my Ipod, and my girlfriend, but want to know more about these macbook skins. It might tip the scale so I can buy the cheap a** white one and upgrade the frack out of it and get a wheel barrow to carry it around in. The skin will help with all the bumping around on the dirt roads.

I'm serious, though, about the skins if someone could help out with a link.
 
MacVault said:
Is the gpu not just on the pci express bus? I was looking at Dell's laptops and one of their laptops says it uses the same "integrated" gpu as the new MacBook, but then it gives a build-to-order option for a more powerfull gpu.

So, what does dell do to go from integrated gpu to non-integrated gpu when customizing a laptop that says it has integrated Intel GMA 950???

Where I'm going with this question is obvious... any chance the MacBook gpu can be upgraded?

Sure, if your name is Macgyver. ;)

I'm pretty sure that the PCI Express interface would be left off of this motherboard, but I could be wrong.

I doubt that this is possible, but perhaps the pictures of the person who disassembled their macbook entirely would provide more insight.
 
Gatezone said:
It isn't 'wrong' it is them exercising their well ability to get extra bucks for something they think their customers want.
Indeed, there's a country with a large population of immigrants where immigrant redhead prostitutes--a rarity among the natives--command more money. They're working no harder than their dark-haired competitors, yet clients will pay more.
 
Placed my order...

...With CompUSA :D I set up a business account with them last week. 180 days same as cash. My store rep said that their stock should be arriving next week, but he placed a separate order for my White Core Duo 2Ghz. I'll be receiving the base model and upgrading the memory and possibly the hard drive myself. Also opted for the AppleCare 36 month Protection Plan. I don't usually go for that stuff, but I figured what the heck.

I explained to my rep that the reason I am buying from them and not directly from Apple is to guarantee a perfect display (among other things). I told him up front that if there's one stuck pixel I'll be bringing it back for an exchange (they have a 21 day 'no questions asked' return policy). His comment was "No problem!"

SWEET :p
 
Excuse my ignorance, but would Google Earth be something crippled by a crappy GPU? How bout iChat video conferrencing in full screen and full motion, and how bout encoding or decoding h.264.

I'm not at all into "games", but it seems like more and more stuff now days is more graphics intensive, such as the apps listed above.
 
Apple Prostitutes itself

PaulinMaryland said:
Indeed, there's a country with a large population of immigrants where immigrant redhead prostitutes--a rarity among the natives--command more money. They're working no harder than their dark-haired competitors, yet clients will pay more.

I want to work this one for awhile so I completely understand it. Tell me more. The red-haired sex workers demand more for the novelty of their, uh, well, their hair, and the clients pay more and love the results?

I can buy that. Well actually I can't because I don't live in Nevada.

About those skins? Anyone? Really. I promise I won't put them on any redheads.
 
MacVault said:
Excuse my ignorance, but would Google Earth be something crippled by a crappy GPU?
Well it does use OpenGL for its 3D display, so is accelerated by the GPU.
How bout iChat video conferrencing in full screen and full motion, and how bout encoding or decoding h.264.
GMA950 handles video wonderfully. H264 encoding/decoding will be handled by the CPU, and as the MacBook has a very fast CPU, should be fine. I have not tried it myself however.
 
andrewface said:
cmon 5 pounds is nothing
considering what they have packed into this laptop i think the weight is justified
Remember that many MacBook owners will be students, who will also be toting 5 or 10 pounds of books and who-knows-what-else in their 2-pound backpack.
 
Hard Drive Nor RAM Upgrades Violate Applecare

Multimedia said:
Don't pay Apple for a bigger HD or extra ram. You can buy the Seagate 160 for $250.
PaulinMaryland said:
A do-it-yourself hard drive upgrade will void the warranty, a do-it-yourself RAM upgrade won't--correct? If an upgrade voids the warranty, I assume it voids AppleCare, too? So either do it yourself OR buy AppleCare, but not both? Or would the warranty--and AppleCare--at least cover breakage of components that are clearly unrelated to my upgrade?
Neither voids warranty nor Applecare. Why else would Apple make it so easy for you to upgrade your hard drive yourself in the same place as you do ram?
dialo said:
Post # 1820 An apple rep on the education site told me that upgrading the hard drive does not void the warranty and is no different WRT to the warranty than upgrading the RAM
 
filterban said:
Sure, if your name is Macgyver. ;)

I'm pretty sure that the PCI Express interface would be left off of this motherboard, but I could be wrong.
Of course it has a PCIe bus. Every computer needs a mechanism for communicating with peripherals--naturally, there are no PCIe slots, though.
 
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