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That's right - the problem with the online model is the bandwidth to the home. Movies on a BD can be 30 to 40 Mbps - 25GB wasn't enough space for a standard movie.

There's also BD-Interactive, the menus and extras. Most downloads are not as feature-rich as the BD.




YES! Once you start to build a library of BD movies, you'll want to play those disc on whatever device you have. Why should you have to transcode the movie (if you even can) to watch it on the MB instead of the MBP?
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I couldn't agree more. I have a DVD collection of over 200 movies, I haven't bought a single DVD in like 6 months because I know I am going to want it in Blu-Ray to keep for a long long time. The download model works for rentals, but not for purchase. 200 discs x 25GB per Movie = 5000GB, and then I need another 5000GB for backup in case the Hard Drive takes a dump.

Not going to happen anytime soon. That is what makes Blu-Ray so important, it may very well be the last physical format, thus it will be around for a long long time. Screen resolutions aren't going to change again for a long time, just ask the FCC.

Blu-Ray is the reason to keep the Macbook Pro, Blu-Ray burners on the high end, readers on the low end, and the Macbooks will stay with DVD and integrated graphics, and hopefully a reasonable price tag to grow market share. Maybe a more expensive Macbook with a Blu-ray reader? HDMI out for all.

Mark my words this will the the Christmas of Blu-Ray.
 
Wait, were you under the impression that I was talking about Macs? That wasn't the case.

Besides, a Jeep isn't much cheaper than a Land Rover Defender around these parts (Denmark). Also, a Jeep (especially that big one) has a reputation of being more show than go. Anyway, as mentioned, the only reason I showed a defender was that I prefered function over form, and that I thought that could be beautiful in itself –*this was in response to someone who considered the Thinkpad "too ugly".
Besides, I think you should take a look at what militaries around the world use, before you (seem to) infer that Land Rover Defenders aren't capable.

Easy now. No need to defend every single remark you make! I was inferring that the Land Rover *brand* as a whole is widely regarded as unreliable, not incapable. All I was saying originally was that when comparing a Lenovo to a Mac, a Jeep seemed to be a better comparison vehicle to use as a model for a Lenovo rather than the Defender. Functional, capable, *and* cheaper. From the thread it seemed like a lot of people have been claiming that Macs are comparable in specs *and* price to other laptops. Which I don't think has ever been the case. We're on the same page, but using different semantics, apparently.
 
If we follow LOGIC instead of What iFs... We get a couple scenarios...

1) 13" MB get's AMD Fusion chip (that's a 4 core unit: 2 CPU's, 1 Controller, 1 Graphics Proccesor). With 1066mhz FSB with the expected price of $799.
2) Intel's Nehalem mobile which could be MB Level 2-3. Running 2.2-2.8ghz with 1333mhz fsb and 8gb ram max (oh YEA).
3) Superdrives standard across the board. BR Drives optional on all INTEL models.

If Apple is wrapping the consumer with the pro segment together (very possible) we'll see the X4500 video chips on Level 2-3 still. I've tested and played with this chip on a windows box set to 512mb ram and it was GOOD! It's issue however is heat which in a mobile platform would require it to throttle back over time.

As well there removing the Consumer/ProSumer genre from their lineup, a smart idea. This will put Apple products into the ProSumer market due only bt the HARDWARE compenents their using in the new models.

These models can't be compared with your $400 Acer laptop. Apple is using state of the art CPU's. State of the art drives and most importantly State of the art components on the logic board. You also get firewire, mini-dv (HDMI compatible) bluetooth 2.1, 1.3mp webcam (ok not as SOA as before) in a SLIM package that No other manufacture can reproduce - EVER (they've tried and had a decade to do it, still don't).

Wether you run Windows or Mac OS X on your laptop the Mac's have always been the faster units in the price segment (google search it, I'm tired of posting the links) due to higher quality components.

And for those curious if Mac is faster than Windows running cross platform apps, YES Mac OS X is faster. I along with several others on the Filemaker forums have tested it over and over and the Mac was faster by more than 500% every time with database intensive applications (which use the OS, RAM, CPU more than Games because there doing it all the time during a query or data import)... I don't game much so I can't test that... But in a business environment the Mac is more than 3x's faster in any case.

So to sum up what I'm saying:
MacBook and MacBook Pro will probably be melted into one lineup.
13" MacBook may come with a $799 price point (reminiscent of the 12" iBooks) with either AMD Fusion or Intel All in one.
MacBooks will have SD's standard and differ in CPU, Ram, HD combo's.
New units will run DDR3 Ram and have an 8Gb+ limit.
X4500 will most likely come standard on Level 2-3.


Oh, MacBook Pro's are coming at the same time. Bigger batterys in the 15/17, Nehalem based CPU's, QUAD CORE!!!!!!!!!! 8Gb Ram+. 320gb/400gb/500gb HD's. User replaceable HD's to boot. 2.6/2.8ghz/2.8x4.

It's gonna be a site I'm sure. What's up in arms for me is the $799 unit specs. And wether or not the MacBook Mini is also coming...

We'll probably see a little 20min on the MacMini/iMac just before the big rollout.
 
Yes there is a tax on Apple computers, but not to the extreme that has been painted.

Checking on the Dell site for my country comparing a 13.3" Dell Inspiron 13 specced the same as the Mid-range Macbook the price is $1,069 for the Dell and $1,349 for the Macbook. So would I pay $280 for OS X, yes, yes I would. Having used Vista, I would not hesitate to pay a premium for a modern OS. I also support Window products for a living and at the end of the day the last thing I want to do is to fight with my computer at home. There are quirks in OS X, but I believe it to be greatly superior to anything that Microsoft has to offer...though the server version of Vista (Windows Server 2008) is a much improved version, you just can't get it for notebooks and what not.

I'm glad they're revisiting their notebooks, I'd gladly buy a MBP as when they are first released they are comparable in price to top end notebooks running Windows.
DELL website prices are bad examples as if you visit the correct sites, you'll know that DELL send out $400 / $600 OFF or some other extreme coupons almost on a 2 day basis. So when comparing to DELL prices, it should be factored as well. :cool:
 
Easy now. No need to defend every single remark you make! I was inferring that the Land Rover *brand* as a whole is widely regarded as unreliable, not incapable. All I was saying originally was that when comparing a Lenovo to a Mac, a Jeep seemed to be a better comparison vehicle to use as a model for a Lenovo rather than the Defender. Functional, capable, *and* cheaper. From the thread it seemed like a lot of people have been claiming that Macs are comparable in specs *and* price to other laptops. Which I don't think has ever been the case. We're on the same page, but using different semantics, apparently.

Haha, I see your point. I agree it's semantics. :)
 
Nothing in the blurb is as exciting as seeing "aggressive" and "pricing" in the same phrase. I was getting ready to shell out $2k+ on an MBP....!
 
Or DisplayPort, which can run in DVI/HDMI mode with an adapter.
However, mini VGA + HDMI probably makes more sense.

Edit:
The DisplayPort website displays a MacBook Pro with DisplayPort + S-Video:
http://www.displayport.org/open/Interoperability.htm

That's a good find. They might have some info we don't have.

back-of-laptop.jpg


On the other hand, I don't think Apple would have done this. Usually the connectors are sorted from thinnest to thickest to look nice. And this connector also looks like the very cheap kind, with the metal flaps around it like most USB connectors. Apple likes to have the connectors flush with the case.
 
I like the look of the white or black plastic macbooks, it's also what helps to separate them from the pro models. The aluminum sucks in my opinion, yes I bought the original coolermaster praetorian aluminum case for my pc, which is thick aluminum and actually quite heavy and I am pleased with it. However, I am also not rubbing against it all day and scratching it up... that case doesn't dent easily though... Point is, I think aluminum is a bad choice for laptops. for it to be light enough it has to be thin, but when its thin it dents and scratches. Even if it was thick it would scratch. Using the right type of plastic however, especially when colored black, allows it to keep it's 'new' look much longer.

Anyway I hope the material doesn't change. The LED's are probably a good thing and put a damn superdrive in all of the models. I don't get how people say they don't need an optical drive. What if you want to watch a movie? I don't want to carry around a bag full of accessories, it's annoying. If you hate optical drives buy a macbook air, but allow the rest of us to have an optical drive, many of us need them. Here is a list of things I do regularly on mine: Watch DVDs, play music cds, compile music cds to listen to in my car, create photo disks to send to friends and family, back up photo and video clips on disks, play games, install new software etc. I don't want to be forced to be connected to a network which has all my stuff on it (which is pretty much impossible) or to have to carry around portable drives for things i do on a weekly basis. Yes I also use those little usb drives and they are useful for a lot of things but optical drives still have a lot of uses and they are certainly not a dead technology.


As it stands I won't even think about paying $1100 for an entry level apple laptop. I mean come on, that is DOUBLE the price of a pc laptop... and for what, just to have an apple brand and use osx? Yeah I do think osx has some great features and i like a lot of things about macs or i wouldnt be on this forum but geez, get with the times. I understand charging more for higher models but what's wrong with having at least one or two REASONABLY priced models?

This is what I think the macbook upgrade should look like: 2GB RAM on ALL models, LED backlit screens and a superdrive on all models. Eliminate one of the three macbooks and just have one with a faster cpu and larger hard drive. A price point of $799 for the low end and $999 for the high end I think is reasonable. it is STILL high when compared against a comparable pc laptop (minus the led backlit screen) which you can get for about $500 but I know apple like to charge a premium like mercedes and bmw and rip people off.

To me, higher price should = higher quality componants, reliability and support in addition to innovative designs and exclusive features. Not using average or below average quality parts and charging a premium for support all while making people up the ass just so they can feel like they are thinking outside the box and they are just so cool and awesome and not boring like the old pc with microsoft... the same microsoft that has made it possible for the average guy to buy a computer on his low wage paycheck instead of sucking the people dry with outrageous prices... I am glad microsoft has a much greater market share than apple... you think microsoft is bad, imagine if jobs had his way. Oh, and as many others have pointed out apples hardware and software has many flaws, and even though vista was not all it could be, its not worth paying $500-$600 more just to be able to say I use OSX.

My point is this, I think apple does come up with some good ideas and osx does have a lot of interesting features and is pretty easy to learn to use. However, apple does need to make some serious changes if they ever expect people like me to own a mac again.

By the way, for those of you still using vista... I suggest you try http://www.stardock.com/products/objectdock/ if you have not recently. There is a free and a plus version. I have been using the free version and it has not crashed even once in the 2 months I have been using it, you can make your dock look very similar to OSX and it really works great, i've been using it a lot. Go check it out and download and configure it the way you like. It's one of the best free programs I have come across and makes me feel I need OSX just a little bit less ;)
 
That's a good find. They might have some info we don't have.

back-of-laptop.jpg


On the other hand, I don't think Apple would have done this. Usually the connectors are sorted from thinnest to thickest to look nice. And this connector also looks like the very cheap kind, with the metal flaps around it like most USB connectors. Apple likes to have the connectors flush with the case.

Actually, I think it's just Photoshopped. I'm not sure why a company would post an ad like that which was Photoshopped, but the difference in blur between the rest of the photo and that section is too extreme for it to just be camera focus, plus it doesn't look like an Apple product at that point. (Actually, it's got S-Video next to that port, which I don't believe is on the MacBook Pro's. What type of computer is that anyways? EDIT: Appears it's a PowerBook G4.)

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If we follow LOGIC instead of What iFs... We get a couple scenarios...

1) 13" MB get's AMD Fusion chip (that's a 4 core unit: 2 CPU's, 1 Controller, 1 Graphics Proccesor). With 1066mhz FSB with the expected price of $799.
2) Intel's Nehalem mobile which could be MB Level 2-3. Running 2.2-2.8ghz with 1333mhz fsb and 8gb ram max (oh YEA).
3) Superdrives standard across the board. BR Drives optional on all INTEL models.
If we follow logic, we know that Fusion isn't slated until 2009 and mobile dual-core Nehalem isn't coming until January 2010. However, I can see this happening when those chips are actually available.

So to sum up what I'm saying:
MacBook and MacBook Pro will probably be melted into one lineup.
13" MacBook may come with a $799 price point (reminiscent of the 12" iBooks) with either AMD Fusion or Intel All in one.
MacBooks will have SD's standard and differ in CPU, Ram, HD combo's.
New units will run DDR3 Ram and have an 8Gb+ limit.
X4500 will most likely come standard on Level 2-3.
I'd say the bottom three are more likely than the top three.

Oh, MacBook Pro's are coming at the same time. Bigger batterys in the 15/17, Nehalem based CPU's, QUAD CORE!!!!!!!!!!
Quad-core Nehalem will come in three variants. Two are 55* W (too hot for the MacBook Pro) and one is 45* W. Apple probably won't just have one CPU in the MacBook Pro range. Because the quad-core will have lower GHz than dual-cores, Apple most likely won't use both dual-cores and quad-cores in the MacBook Pro lineup. So I'm only expecting dual-cores through Nehalem.

Mobile quad-core isn't coming until late 2009 anyway.

* Mobile Nehalem TDPs are 10 W higher than mobile Penryn TDPs for the same heat output.
 
I've said this before and nobody bothered to reply but what's the point of better reception if you're never far from the base station anyway? I mean, I'd say the overwhelming majority of people use Wi-Fi in their house. You'd be hard pressed to find any laptop that wouldn't be able to get at 3 "bars" even if you house is fairly large. I just don't see the big deal - I'm never really at a point where I'm thinking "oh man, I wonder if I can get free wi-fi from that hotel over there, dang, bummer." Does that really happen that often? I suppose you can argue it slows down the file transfers and download speeds but, at least in my experience, it doesn't slow them down so much that I notice and/or care.
I use an ethernet cable when I'm in my house.

For the 50% of the time when I'm traveling, I depend desperately on wifi - in hotels, restaurants, airports, on trains, everywhere! Before the MacBook, I used to use a USB wifi dongle on a 5-metre USB cable to boost reception. Now I don't need it anymore. I'd hate to have to go back.
 
Actually, I think it's just Photoshopped. I'm not sure why a company would post an ad like that which was Photoshopped, but the difference in blur between the rest of the photo and that section is too extreme for it to just be camera focus, plus it doesn't look like an Apple product at that point. (Actually, it's got S-Video next to that port, which I don't believe is on the MacBook Pro's. What type of computer is that anyways? EDIT: Appears it's a PowerBook G4.)

Also, Apple tries very hard not to put the ports by the front of the computer. I mean, why would they, when there is plenty of length to put them toward the back. Nobody wants cords sticking out near where they type.
 
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