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Yes, except the price difference is only $70 if you're comparing the MBP to a MB that has been upgraded to 4Gb too. If the difference was $70 including RAM then yes, it would be a no-brainer.

I'm guessing that's the case anyway - I'm in the UK so not sure what the $ prices are. Here (at HE price), it's £729 for the MB with standard 2Gb; £799 for the MB upgraded to 4Gb and £858 for the MBP. So the extra £60 (and I'm guessing $70) does not include the extra RAM.

Steve.

Then the difference is $160. STILL worth it to buy the MBP over the MB, IMO.

Thanks
 
It's the MacBook Air that still bugs me.

How can a laptop that is less powerful than the 'entry level' model (MacBook) be valued more expensive? Given that, just like the Mac Mini, its a compact product, it should be placed before the standard white MacBook in the product paradigm. Just because it has such a slim form factor doesn't make it any more expensive to produce/valuable - it should be considered more appropriate for those in education or situations where the notebook isn't a powerhouse, but rather a slate to in-frequently work on.

If this was the case, they could just dump the iPad and stick to a proper OS. MacBook Air - MacBook - MacBook Pro

Given the short lifespan of the quality of the Poly casing (mine has cracks like a tree-trunk too), wouldn't it make more sense to keep the MacBook Pro 13" as the 'Standard' MacBook, and then use the 15" and 17" models as the 'Pro' models?
 
Because the additional features you get FAR outweigh the cost $70. Seriously, you'd have to be a SUCKER to not go for the MBP, in my opinion of course.

If you don't need the additional features and you will never use them, then they don't FAR outweigh $70. What's so hard to understand about that?

Here's yet another car analogy: If a car dealer offered me alloy wheels for $500 when I buy a new car, I'm sure a lot of car buffs would tell me I'd be a sucker for not buying them at that price. But you know what? I'd rather have the $500.
 
Yes, just noticed that the 13" MB only has one audio in/out jack, unlike the 15" or 17", which have two. I also forgot about the IR port, which allows a remote. Here's an updated list of the differences:

- Illuminated Keyboard
- FW800 port
- Crack resistant aluminum case
- SD card slot
- 4 GB of RAM instead of 2GB on the MB
- IR port
- Battery level indicator
- Slightly lighter
- Thinner and sleeker

While I don't think the MBP is such a great deal either, for the price, it's a lot better than the MB, which, when maxed out, costs about the same as the MBP while lacking many of the above features.

I think Apple has dropped the ball a bit here. Some people who are looking to switch to Mac with an entry level Macbook may find this a bit too expensive and might not want to get a pro model either. If I were in this situation, I'd stick with a PC if I wasn't sure about switching.

If the MB were 100 dollars cheaper, I'm sure their margins would still me massive, and whatever they lose on margins would be made up for by increased volume and market share. Given that people tend to stick with Macs once they switch, any short term losses (if there are any) from a cheaper MB would be offset by having a larger base of long term customers.

You could always buy it from microcenter lol, they've been selling the 2.26ghz macbook for 799 for months... I'm going to bet they clear their current stock of the 2.26ghz models for 699 like previously.
 
If Apple really wants to *kill* the PC/Windows market, they should start offering laptops on their website for $699-$799 or less.

Apple doesn't want to kill the PC market. They just want to sell a lot of Macs - if it works out a config is cheaper than a PC, then good, but that's not the goal. Apple built its brand by differentiating themselves from the bargain basement PC market. That's why Apple has 90% market share of PCs over $1000. It's a better place to be.

When Apple tried to compete on price (Performa, anyone?), it didn't work - customers didn't see Macs as a premium product anymore, so they just bought a PC instead thinking they were getting the same thing.
 
If you don't need the additional features and you will never use them, then they don't FAR outweigh $70. What's so hard to understand about that?

Here's yet another car analogy: If a car dealer offered me alloy wheels for $500 when I buy a new car, I'm sure a lot of car buffs would tell me I'd be a sucker for not buying them at that price. But you know what? I'd rather have the $500.

$500 is also ~7X more than $70.

It's all relative. I would venture to say the majority of people would see those items being worth getting for $70.

Remove the memory upgrade and the difference in the notebooks is $160, which may make more of a difference on people's buying decision.
 
just me or do they update this macbook a hell of a lot more often than the macbook pro??

this macbook makes the 13" MBP look really bad.. they should just get rid of the 13" pro.. it's such a wasted effort
 
just me or do they update this macbook a hell of a lot more often than the macbook pro??

this macbook makes the 13" MBP look really bad.. they should just get rid of the 13" pro.. it's such a wasted effort

They should just get rid of the 13" MB, that's a waste...

The only 13" MB should be the MBP, IMO
 
Decent update, but definitely mid year update

I'd say this is a typical mid year update. Years and years show that this is the norm. Now, as far as those that have port issues, I understand, but if you need firewire, Apple of course would say, just pay a little bit more and get a MBP. As for me, I don't need to update for about a year, year and half which would put my current macbook at 3.5-4 years old. By this time, the port problem will be solved with light peak. This is a huge reason on why I'm putting any dream of buying a computer soon on hold. As much as I WANT to get a new computer, I really don't need one. As for those of you who are complaining, I've noticed many of you are "newbies" to Macrumors. As time goes on, you'll realize you don't need everything PC's try to sell you on. My work laptop has firewire, estata, usb, pci-express, etc. and which ones have I used??? USB. That's it. Now I understand there are some of you who do need to use the others, but part of me has to side with apple in why "litter" the side with ports that less than 10% would use? This is more so a cosmetic choice, but as for me, I'm content with that decision because I never use them. Remember, there are PC's that have everything you could ever dream of.
 
Audio on mini-DisplayPort?

OK, so we are now only waiting for the low-end 21.5" iMac and mini to get the 320M.

Does anyone know yet if the white MacBook got audio out on the mini-DisplayPort connector (like the newest iMacs and MBPs)?
 
great upgrade on this little badboy, i´m surely getting one now :)
but alas, nothing is without a price to pay, in my country (as always) the price went up 99€ :mad:
 
My gf just got a (now outdated) white Macbook for her birthday on April 26th... any chance Apple will let us swap it out for the new model?

lol
 
That makes it a pro??

Pro users demand performance. What does a cheap sd card slot do? what does a aluminium case do? what does a illuminated keyboard do etc...?

These are novelties and does not cater to the expectations of a pro user

You're narrow minded. I'm a profesional Unix administrator. My job consists of opening terminal windows and typing commands.

I couldn't give a crap about performance. I can do my job on a Pentium 2. I care about an Illuminated keyboard though, because at 3 a.m., when I get woken up because the SAN suddenly decided not to present disks anymore, I like being able to see which key is which on my keyboard without having to turn on all the lights in the house.

Your definition is pro is narrow. There are a lot of different types of professionals. Some need FW. Some need that keyboard. Some need that SD slot.
 
There is absolutely no reason to get a white MacBook anymore unless you are on a very strict budget...

For $200 more you get..

- an extra 2GB of RAM (with more room to upgrade later to 8GB)
- Firewire 800
- SD card slot
- illuminated keyboard
- more durable aluminum unibody

There really is no contest in this comparison...

The white MacBook needs a price drop to provide any meaning to its existence.

Hickman

edit: it looks like KnightWRX and I are on the same wavelength ;)


Why is everyone forgetting that the MBP also has a brighter display!!

These MacBooks are very poor show apple. For £849? You're havin a laugh!
 
It's the MacBook Air that still bugs me.

How can a laptop that is less powerful than the 'entry level' model (MacBook) be valued more expensive? Given that, just like the Mac Mini, its a compact product, it should be placed before the standard white MacBook in the product paradigm. Just because it has such a slim form factor doesn't make it any more expensive to produce/valuable
...

But it does make it both more expensive to produce and design, AND more valuable to the user. If making the exact same specs slimmer cost nothing, then why would non-slim machines exist? A Mac Mini is not the same kind of thing as an ultraslim.

Ultraslim notebooks of a given capability level have always cost more than thick machines that are otherwise similar (not just from Apple). So slim machines have had to compromise: a little less capability (and thus making do with a smaller battery) and more cost.

Worth every penny to me—but I sure hope the Air gets an update soon!
 
Polycarbonate unibody enclosure?
I wonder how much different the cost would be if they would have made it from aluminum?
But I'm sure no one cares about stuff like that... :)

The polycarbonate case has much better radio reception and transmission. It can withstand more abuse without substantial cosmetic damage.

What is needed is a second polycarbonate MacBook, perhaps 15" with a couple of additional I/O and specification features. Maybe in BTO rainbow colors. :D MacBook Polycarbonate FX in Apple nomenclature. Minimal manufacturing hassle and substantial target sales and margins.

Rocketman
 
Looks like the Vietnamese Source is the Shiz!

we should hang on his every word.

850 for a Mac book?

I remember when they were 699

Up your A$$ Jobesy
 
It's out in the Thai online store.

Price has gone down from 37,900 (early 2009) to 36,900 (Unibody) to 34,900 Baht.

Not too bad, but the MBP 13" went down from 46,900 to 40,900 Baht.

Maybe I'll go loot for one.
 
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