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MacBook with Blu-Ray, Networked HDTV from Apple?

hvfsl said:
That's my point. Too many bitter people that invested (whether emotionally or financially) in a dead format.
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Which is why I was patient and wait for one to win. Seeing as how I do not have a Mac yet or a BR capable device, I'd be happy to pick up both at the same time. :)

Hopefully all this talk of 10.5.6 isn't necessary if the new NVIDIA chips can do the decoding.
 
MacFly123 said:
1) If there are BluRay drives it will only be as an expensive option, and I don't even know if that will happen until after the Mac Pro gets them and the laptops see their next refresh.

2) We have all been talking about Apple putting the Apple TV in a TV for years. How is that some fresh new rumor lol??? :rolleyes: I don't know if they would really do that. It might explain the rumor of the Apple TV disappearing, but if they do they better have new functionality like the DVR and widgets patents they have because that would be some fierce competition and if they try to sell it the way the Apple TV is now then there won't be too many of them sold haha. Don't get me wrong, I love my Apple TV, but they would have to crank it up a notch for a full on TV with DVR, widgets, iPhone/Touch remote, built in iSight and iChat etc. THAT would be awesome and would shake up the TV market! :D
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apple TV / apple tv with DVR hold up is likely due to the cable card mess and direct tv is going with tivo. So apple may have a real good dvr but it will not work with SDV cable or SAT so it will have a very small market.
 
musukosan said:
Why don't people believe Apple would make a television? Other computer companies make multimedia TVs. They went from computers to music to phones... why not TV's? I'm just curious. :confused:
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My thinking is this: The market for TVs is very crowded with manufacturers. Every market segment from the lowest to highest is covered by multiple, well established, competent competitors. Prices are always dropping. And they'd have to buy panels from their biggest competitors.

Some of this is similar to the cell-phone market, but there was a big opening for Apple there: existing smart phone OS's all sucked, no one had really thought about how to use touch, and no one had even a half-way decent content delivery system. So Apple could own them.

But what do they have to add to TVs? AppleTV features. But is a TV really that much more compelling with an AppleTV built-in rather than plugged in?

The only thing Apple could really differentiate itself on is industrial design. They're very good at that, but I don't think they see a big enough opening based on that alone.
 
neven said:
There's about 0 chance of Apple developing a DVR system. It's about as likely as Apple launching their own satellite radio service. Competing business models, that's all there is to say about that.
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But people said Apple would never use Intel chips or develop a Windows version of iTunes. At the end of the day Apple will do whatever if it is a good business opportunity and analysts have predicted that an Apple DVR would be a multi-billion dollar business. This could cement Apples dominance in video and thus make iTunes video store even more popular.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
While I do see an Apple television down the road 5 years from now (it'll be some kind of hybrid iMac/Apple TV/HDTV,) I just don't think it's coming so soon.

As for Blue-Ray... well, it's going to happen sooner or later. People have been pinpointing dates for the past year and a half now if I'm not mistaken and they've all been wrong. Maybe this one will finally be right for a change. And maybe it won't.

Also, didn't Kevin Rose already say Blue-Ray support was coming in Mac OS X 10.5.6? We're only at 10.5.4 so far (unless am I by chance not up to date?) So unless Apple wants to release 10.5.5 on Monday and immediately follow up with 10.5.6 on Tuesday, one of the two rumors are going to be proved incorrect.
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Not sure where you been But IM running 10.5 here!--)) ;)
 
Adjei said:
The iphone is different, these are products people get excited over especially young people, and Apple was able to bring something new and exciting with the iphone. I just don't see them doing that with televisions, I mean how many people do you see getting excited over televisions, they are boring.:p
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Are you serious? People in my generation DROOL over new TV's.
 
I still dont really see them putting Blu-ray drives in the mb's, i'd be really surprised if rose was right.
 
KissStephanie said:
Growth may not be as quick as it could be for a number of reasons, some of which Sony is responsible for and can fix themselves, such as the price, but it most certainly is not dying.
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While I agree with the point you are trying to make, what problems exactly is Sony and only Sony responsible for? I thought the common misconception that Blu-ray = Sony that was around during the format war had long disappeared. I guess I was wrong. Sony is ONE cog in the entire Blu-ray machine. They are not even the biggest cog for that matter.

Prices of Blu-rays have little to do with Sony (aside from the prices of Columbia/Sony Pictures releases). The studios decide the prices. Ever wonder why for a long time Fox Blu-ray releases had a significantly higher MSRP than other Blu-ray releases?
 
Kilamite said:
Blu-Ray would be awesome! I'm going to invest in the mid-top range MacBook (depending on price and spec) and I really hope they include Blu-Ray. Would be a winner.

As for the TV...quite a big market for Apple to jump into. And to be honest, I don't think they'll succeed. Although the same was said for the iPhone. But I really want to see the actual current Apple TV devloped more. Whatever they produce for this TV, they should include in the Apple TV. Be it a DVR or just the whole software experience, and of course the remote!
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Heck I'd be happy with an Apple TV with a digital tuner built in! I wrote about this months ago here and Apple if does not do that they are really missing the boat as ALL US TV here will be going digital in Feb 2009 and this would really fill the boat for many that already have old analogue tv's. Not everone can afford new HDTV's but they sure could afford an Appl TV with a built in digital tuner and what a great intro to MAC's for the many that don't have any apple products. Not to mention the possability of these new buyers purchaseing Apple TV content in some form.

Time will tell but Feb 2009 is just right around the corner. ;)
 
iSee said:
My thinking is this: The market for TVs is very crowded with manufacturers. Every market segment from the lowest to highest is covered by multiple, well established, competent competitors. Prices are always dropping. And they'd have to buy panels from their biggest competitors.

Some of this is similar to the cell-phone market, but there was a big opening for Apple there: existing smart phone OS's all sucked, no one had really thought about how to use touch, and no one had even a half-way decent content delivery system. So Apple could own them.

But what do they have to add to TVs? AppleTV features. But is a TV really that much more compelling with an AppleTV built-in rather than plugged in?

The only thing Apple could really differentiate itself on is industrial design. They're very good at that, but I don't think they see a big enough opening based on that alone.
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Yes, I agree, it would have to be something to push the envelope. I guess I just assumed that it would be something like that, since Apple seems to do that a lot. But who knows. I see your points.
 
Grimace said:
Doing full TVs could be pretty awesome -- although would it be a real Apple TV? Is the :apple:TV box done for good?
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There are tens of millions of non-Apple HDTVs. The AppleTV would target that market which would never give a rat's behind about a networked HDTV, but wants that TiVo like experience from AppleTV.
 
Maybe...

Apple might make an external blu-ray drive that can plug into any Mac (or the :apple:TV) via USB. However, this would compete with their digital download strategy. I doubt there will be an Apple HDTV with :apple:TV built in. Perhaps new cinema displays with HDMI inputs. When was the last time they updated the cinema displays?
 
Superman07 said:
Which is why I was patient and wait for one to win. Seeing as how I do not have a Mac yet or a BR capable device, I'd be happy to pick up both at the same time. :)

Hopefully all this talk of 10.5.6 isn't necessary if the new NVIDIA chips can do the decoding.
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10.5.6 would also probably include bluray drivers and a DVD Player that can play BluRay discs. The possible Nvidia Bluray decoding wouldn't mean the OS doesn't need to be updated to support all this new stuff.
 
Kwill said:
The problem with specific rumors like this is that they raise expectation so high that if one detail is wrong, everyone is disappointed with the true offering.
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Not if you take it with a grain of salt and a shot of whiskey--));)
 
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