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200GB would require 8 discs (25GB) with $8 each. That's $64 in my math (not even considering the one-off costs of $100+ for the Bluray drive). For that money you get 400-500GB of harddisk space, which means 2-2,5x the space for backups.

And writing 200GB to the mentioned 400-500GB harddrive takes massively less time than to burn 8 fully loaded BluRay discs. At least my time _does_ matter to me.

Also - BluRay is still not a long-time-proven medium, unlike harddrives.

So by today i'd take the harddrive backup option anytime over any burnable media with organic material (i.e. destined to deteriorate sooner or later) as data layer. Too bad magneto-optical drives got stuck capacity-wise. Again the superior solution lost due to (slightly) higher costs *sigh*

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bluRay will last as long as cd/dvds so that is a lot longer than a hd.
 
Blu-Ray, huh...?
Well, according to Rose's previous rumors, 10.5.6 would support Blu-Ray.
So... with the new MacBooks, naturally a new software update will come.
Well, maybe he was right then... ;)
It DOES make sense now.
 
Personally, I wouldn't mind a blu ray player myself but I agree not if it is going to sacrifice battery life. I would rather more effort be put into the 'specs' of the computer

Nvidia video card is coming. No more Intel Integrated video cards.
 
if blue-ray then i guess apple will be getting over 15k of my money!! hurry up!!

15k, Jeez, can you loan me a few grand for my new MBP? I've been waiting, reading these posts since last December waiting for the new notebooks. Now, when I'm on the cusp of finally converting from PC to MAC, my company tells me on Wednesday that they are going Bankrupt! I'm going to be out of a job next Monday and am wondering what I'm going to do. I'm sooooo sooooo sad. They don't even have a sad emoticon :( Any generous benefactors out there?
Thanks,
P.S. oops, yes they did have a sad emoticon :( :( :( :(
 
I do not think I would buy a true Apple Television. I would rather they focus on enhancing the tv experience with their innovative media components.

I just do not think they can support the needs of so many products.
 
*SIGH*----:eek::rolleyes: lol figures...after i just bought my first large screen LCD HDTV....i find out apple has been working on producing one..............


OH WELL...ill prolly still buy it anyways...lol :apple:


THINGS I WANT TO SEE APPLE MAKE:

-Tablet Mac
-An apple inspired car...i think i saw this idea in macworld or maclife...or something......
-TV


Oh man.....Apple Car? Sign me up!!!! :D
 
What's this thing about Blu-ray?

there's like 10 disks for it.

Trust me, been there done that.

It's gonna be a while (long while probably).

OH, I know, you can get Blade Runner special edition and Batman!!!! :D
 
What's this thing about Blu-ray?

there's like 10 disks for it.

Trust me, been there done that.

It's gonna be a while (long while probably).

OH, I know, you can get Blade Runner special edition and Batman!!!! :D

This Blu-Ray thing might just catch on, I mean there's really no promotion for it, studios aren't really backing it, the players aren't really getting aggressive in pricing. But we'll have to see if this new Blu-Ray format gains any traction!
 
The absolute best new feature in a new Macbook...

People...

Personally, I think that THE MOST IMPORTANT new feature for me in a new Macbook would be an LED backlit screen. I'm curious what everyone else on this board thinks. Within reason, of course - say something that would add $100 to the cost of the laptop for Apple. What would be at the top of your wishlist?
 
People...

Personally, I think that THE MOST IMPORTANT new feature for me in a new Macbook would be an LED backlit screen. I'm curious what everyone else on this board thinks. Within reason, of course - say something that would add $100 to the cost of the laptop for Apple. What would be at the top of your wishlist?

Backlit keybord and aluminium as well

Is that too demanding???
 
If Blue Ray is going to be supported, it means that at least the internal drives will be an option, and this means that the new macbooks will have an HDMI ouput.
I hope this materializes on next tue.
I think like any new technology it takes some time to be economically viable, like the DVD burners became feasible and logical into any computer some time ago.
Anyway I do want the blueray inside the macbook with HDMI to connect it to my Sony LCD TV.
Like others have posted I will use it to watch BR discs from Netflix, I will only buy a few ones.

The iTube name is lame, and it doesn't make any sense to replace any HDTV already in the market.
Unless it has a better name, and it features a service that will allow you to get rid of your current cable/satellite tv subscrition service, which nowadays are expensive and their packages make no-sense, as wells as paying for a tv service that is full of commercials and infomercials. This will be web based, so the cable/internet providers may cripple it, this is :apple:'s biggest challenge.
:apple: can shake the TV market and redefined it as they did with the music industry.

I am waiting for this:
- an HD on-demand service that will thriumph netflix and any cable on-demand service
- no download/streaming delay
- DVR
- HD tuning
- available via software update for current:apple:TV


Who knows how big the Snow Leopard release will be and it may need a blue ray disc because it will not fit in a DVD.

So the media crossroad has these different paths: blue ray discs, flash memories, stream from the internet, the fastest wireless ever...

Who knows...
 
People...

Personally, I think that THE MOST IMPORTANT new feature for me in a new Macbook would be an LED backlit screen. I'm curious what everyone else on this board thinks. Within reason, of course - say something that would add $100 to the cost of the laptop for Apple. What would be at the top of your wishlist?
I don't know if it is #1 for me, but an LED backlit screen had damn better be in the new MacBooks.
 
Apple did say they were going to have lower margins due to product transition.

I doubt we'll see the cinema displays transitioning into HDTVs. Then again 1080p screens are now becoming far more common, so it is a possibility that it's in the cards.

Moving back to the transition idea - Apple said that their product transition would result in lower margins. Most analysts seemed to think the transition would be iPods or Laptops.

I don't know what they'll release on Tuesday, but I'm starting to think of it as a line in the sand... something that definitively marks a new generation of laptops.

Maybe it'll be hugely interesting, maybe something less important (for now)... but something that will allow us to clearly define pre-transition and post-transition laptops. Perhaps a difference only Snow Leopard will deeply care about. Maybe just a new look + lighter casing (enabled by new manufacturing techniques).
 
1. Aluminium
2. Dedicated video card
3. 16:9 ratio LED-display
4. Illuminated MacBook Air-keyboard
5. Smaller bezel

Aluminum would be pretty cool... At first I didn't like the sound of this two tone theme, but the more I think about it, they just may pull it off. The iMac's don't look that bad...
 
Also - BluRay is still not a long-time-proven medium, unlike harddrives.

Yes, it's proven that hard drives will fail due to mechanical issues. A BD disk on the shelf, probably won't self-destruct ;) .


...this means that the new macbooks will have an HDMI ouput.

HDMI is dead end - "DisplayPort" is the new connection. No way that Apple will use HDMI - they'll want you to buy all the new DisplayPort-only displays that they'll be introducing on the 14th.


3. 16:9 ratio LED-display

I find the clamors for 16:9 displays to be, pardon the directness, simply stupid for the most part.

Movies are not 16:9, so you'll still have letter-boxing whether your display is 16:9 or 16:10.

Another word for "wide-screen" is "short-screen". Would you want a super-widescreen that was 2048 x 640 ?

Of course not - the 640 vertical makes the screen almost useless, regardless of the width.

As long as there are more vertical pixels, I'm not that concerned with the aspect ratio -- but don't give me a short-screen and try to convince me that it is progress.
 
What do you all need blue ray in a laptop for? For watching movies, isn't a larger screen better? Are there any work related uses of blue ray? I use my MBP for work. Is it true that people here use theirs mostly for entertainment?
 
I find the clamors for 16:9 displays to be, pardon the directness, simply stupid for the most part.

Movies are not 16:9, so you'll still have letter-boxing whether your display is 16:9 or 16:10.

Another word for "wide-screen" is "short-screen". Would you want a super-widescreen that was 2048 x 640 ?

Of course not - the 640 vertical makes the screen almost useless, regardless of the width.

As long as there are more vertical pixels, I'm not that concerned with the aspect ratio -- but don't give me a short-screen and try to convince me that it is progress.

I agree with you 100%

Unfortunately, there are a lot of uninformed people who see black bars (on sides or top and bottom) when watching something and think there's part of the picture missing. They'd rather crop or distort the picture to fill whatever screen they have than to have unused space black. This leads to such horrible things as Pan and Scan and more recently making fake widescreen out of old 4:3 material :(

More and more, Apple is aiming for the mass market and going to 16:9 to fit new widescreen tv programs exactly might be something they do.



My worry is it'll be even harder to get matte screens on the new laptops... GLOSSY SCREENS MUST DIE! :p
 
What do you all need blue ray in a laptop for? For watching movies, isn't a larger screen better? Are there any work related uses of blue ray? I use my MBP for work. Is it true that people here use theirs mostly for entertainment?

Have to agree with macbook123.

I support apple and PC laptops for a living, and they are work tools, for the most part. They can stand in for an entertainment device, but that isn't the primary purpose that I see.

Personally, I would rather see a new design Mac Mini/xMac type headless mini desktop enclosure with some home-theater pretenses.

A quad-core processor, and a good amount of fast RAM, with one 3.5, or two 2.5 RAID-ready drives (same footprint, BTW), and this new nvidia graphics and system integration hardware, with optical audio in an out, and digital video. (DVI and DisplayPort, HDCP-compliant. people can adapt it to HDMI if they want to) With an El Gato EyeTV tuner or two attached, and an internal Blu Ray drive, and a good amount of library hard drive space, it could make quite a little Home Theater machine.

Otherwise, an AppleTV built into an HDTV had better have some DVR functionality, which is sorely lacking from the AppleTV box now.

Personally, I would rather not sacrifice my network throughput by transmitting my digital television material over it ALL the time. A machine running it directly for my main television would be fine, and it can serve it to other TVs, if I really want it to.
 
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