Well actually it's a front end for an OSX built in drive partitioning command line utility
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Macbook without MacOsX possible ?
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Well actually it's a front end for an OSX built in drive partitioning command line utility
You can partition the exact same thing in Disc Utility. Bootcamp, like Disc Utility, is a GUI for an already existing piece of OSX. Don't talk about something you don't know anything about.
Read the above answer.
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/p.../notebooks_mobility?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs
Can be upgraded to 1.83ghz core 2duo and total price will be 698 whatever british people use.
It's got 2GB RAM, 14.1 screen and 120gb hard drive... 4x the RAM 2x the Hard drive, 1/8 the OS of a MacBook.
Can be upgraded to 1.83ghz core 2duo and total price will be 698 whatever british people use.
It's got 2GB RAM, 14.1 screen and 120gb hard drive... 4x the RAM 2x the Hard drive, 1/8 the OS of a MacBook.
ooh touched a nerve, did i?
besides you're repeating what TBi posted.i guess thats the same with norton systemworks. their Disk Doctor is chkdsk (on windows at least)
but anyway, there really is no point in getting a Mac and putting Windows on it for primary use. Even if you could, you might as well go with the Sony N series.
Everything I've heard and read leads me to believe you need Mac OS X and Bootcamp to run Windows. But if that isn't true (which I haven't seen anybody that has done it) it's still a stupid idea. Just buy a PC.
And the answer to the question is still no, you cannot buy a Mac without OS X.
And the answer to the question is still no, you cannot buy a Mac without OS X.
You guys telling him no are incorrect. One person on the ubuntu forum noted that you can just reformat the entire drive and install ubuntu and it will function as it should.
For the people saying that it is not possible, I ask you this: What happened with the people who mistakenly installed Windows on the wrong partition. Mean, when they accidently formatted and installed windows on the OS X partition, where did OS X goes.
This is 100% possible, the only thing that must be done is ensure that the firmware included with the bootcamp is installed. All current new Macs have this firmware installed.
For the people saying that it is not possible, I ask you this: What happened with the people who mistakenly installed Windows on the wrong partition. Mean, when they accidently formatted and installed windows on the OS X partition, where did OS X goes.
This is 100% possible, the only thing that must be done is ensure that the firmware included with the bootcamp is installed. All current new Macs have this firmware installed.
ooh touched a nerve, did i?
i guess thats the same with norton systemworks. their Disk Doctor is chkdsk (on windows at least)
but anyway, there really is no point in getting a Mac and putting Windows on it for primary use. Even if you could, you might as well go with the Sony N series.
You didn't touch a nerve, I just don't want you misleading this person just because you're uninformed. You're right, he could go with a Sony. But thats not what he asked, is it?
Thats why I don't buy utilities. I didn't copy TBi, I'm glad he knows what he is talking about.
He didn't ask if he could buy a Mac without OSX. Infact, thats about as far form his question as you could possibly be. Just keep out of this thread and leave it to the people who know what they're talking about. He's welcome to do whatever he damn wants with his precious widdle mac.
Oh, so I misread that. It's still a stupid idea and I'll stay in this forum, thanks. I still frankly don't believe it's so easy and simple as you claim.
Even after installing Boot Camp under normal circumstances, doesn't it boot Windows only if you hold down a certain key combo? How do you get around the boot loader stuff? How will the boot loader even work if there is no OS X at all, not even core components?
And I can't emphasize enough what a lousy idea this is. What a waste of money.
Also, you're pretty new here. You should discontinue calling people idiots, ridiculing everybody, and telling people to leave forums.
He can get a PC laptop of similar specs to the MacBook's for less than £700 easily. I think he just wants the uber sexiness of a MacBook with the dirty, dirty in'ards of Windows.
No I'm guessing he gets the HE discount, which makes it cheaper, if you REALLY just want to run Windows I'm sure it's possible to do so.
I haven't been following the whole Mac/Bootcamp thing very well in quite some time, but I thought that one thing that was needed for Windows to boot was a BIOS. Since the Mac uses EFI, I assume that there has been some update to provide BIOS functionality in order to support Windows. Is this a part of Bootcamp, or was there a change in firmware that added this capability, or what? I know that originally nobody could install Windows because of the lack of this BIOS.
I apologize for being snappy. However, it seems very wrong for you guys to mislead this person, clearly without any understanding of what is really going on. And no, you don't have to "hold down a key combo" - there is no boot menu if there is only one partition on the harddrive (Windows)
I don't think my time on this forum has anything to do with this, because I clearly know more about what I'm talking about then you do. The only people I was calling an idiots were the people who were wrong in the first place, but instead of saying "gee, we're sorry, go ahead with your idea" you tried to argue something that you didn't understand.
Its the internet. Grow up.
But it proves a valuable point: you guys are incorrect in saying that it will not work. Windows and ubuntu share a very similar initial boot up, so does any other OS made for i386.
I do no recall the computers not functioning entirely, just that they only had Windows.
This is entirely doable. The people saying no have not given on reason on why it would not be doable.
try and see for yourself
but i have to warn you, it's bad karma to run only darkside software on a mac, you will have only problems with it 
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/notebooks_best?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs
Look at the lefthand most model on that page, 699
It also has better graphics, a larger screan and a larger harddrive than the macbook
Look at the lefthand most model on that page, 699
It also has better graphics, a larger screan and a larger harddrive than the macbook
http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/notebooks_best?c=uk&cs=ukdhs1&l=en&s=dhs
Look at the lefthand most model on that page, 699
It also has better graphics, a larger screan and a larger harddrive than the macbook
I think the whole point is that he doesn't want a larger screen. He wants a 13". This was the original reason i went apple too. To get a 12" laptop without paying the high prices that PC manufacturers ask for.
I wish you all would stop telling him that you can't do this. It is very possible, although keeping a small OS X partition would be preferred for firmware and driver updates.
Boot Camp only provides the drivers and lets you partition you drive. It has nothing to do with BIOS or EFI.
A previous firmware updates (pre-bootcamp) enabled a BIOS emulation layer that allows Linux or Windows to run with the EFI chip regardless of the operating system being used.
Boot Camp only provides the drivers and lets you partition you drive. It has nothing to do with BIOS or EFI.
A previous firmware updates (pre-bootcamp) enabled a BIOS emulation layer that allows Linux or Windows to run with the EFI chip regardless of the operating system being used.
I really, really think that it's not possible because of EFI. This was pointed out earlier in the thread, but no-one has discussed the intelligent comment, so let me reiterate.
EFI is basically an updated version of the BIOS. Windows does not, to my knowledge, have EFI support: I recall Microsoft saying that not even Vista supports it. So, this would mean that it is not possible without a program (such as bootcamp) to emulate the BIOS and make Windows think that it's booting on a machine with the BIOS.
EDIT: Yup, I definitely missed the post above me. I now feel like a moron...
EFI is basically an updated version of the BIOS. Windows does not, to my knowledge, have EFI support: I recall Microsoft saying that not even Vista supports it. So, this would mean that it is not possible without a program (such as bootcamp) to emulate the BIOS and make Windows think that it's booting on a machine with the BIOS.
EDIT: Yup, I definitely missed the post above me. I now feel like a moron...
As mentioned, this will work. I just checked on my MacBook (for the skeptics). This works 100%. Here is what I did:
- Turned on Machine (Mac OS X Boots)
- Installed Boot Camp, Burned Boot Camp Driver CD
- Used BootCamp to restart machine, boot from Windows XP CD
- Deleted all partitions using the XP Install CD disk configuration utility (nothing special here)
- Formatted the whole big drive as NTFS (all 60GB)
- Installed Windows XP
- Installed Boot Camp Drivers
I knew it would work, and hopefully this will shut the nay sayers up.
Although, i do know this will work but i'd have kept a OSX partition active because firmware and bootcamp updates are only done in OSX. You can set the computer to always boot Windows but at least still have the option of OSX.
I dont understand why for a simple question I got around 50 replies and only one of them actually answered my question, if you dont know what you are talking why waste time tipping useless things, like "you can get a dell for 700", yes I can but that dell its 14" and its like twice the size of the macbook, the only close competitor, actually better, its the Sony SZ series 13" but the cheapest one is 1300uk with 1.83ghz, as for IBM something similar its 1700uk. Plus with the macbook I can get applecare for 50uk instead of 300uk because I am a student.
Anyway thanks izibo for the valuable information. I really liked the answers from dpaanlka "i know everything, you are dumb, this can not be done"
So izibo can I also have linux, because I really need both OS. If yes then I really need the info.
Thanks.
Installing both should be no problem, first wipe all the partitions with GParted or something similar, then install no differently then any other computer. GRUB and LILO work the same.
Check out the insanelymac.org forums for info on dual booting linux and windows. You'll be fine, don't listen to all the idiot mac zealots.
1. Remove the Hard Disk from the macbook.
2. Connect it to another PC and format it or replace it with a formatted Hard Drive.
3. Insert Hard Drive in the macbook.
4. Install win xp.
Caution: It will either work or you are screwed.
2. Connect it to another PC and format it or replace it with a formatted Hard Drive.
3. Insert Hard Drive in the macbook.
4. Install win xp.
Caution: It will either work or you are screwed.