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It's really disappointing to see Apple's direction with the Mac, nothing else needs to be said...

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They don't care about the Mac, it's that simple. Apple are 'the iPhone company' now. Yes, they still earn billions from Mac sales, but there's been so little innovation that it's embarrassing. All the decent software engineers were moved from macOS to iOS years ago. macOS is maintained by a skeleton number of engineers, hence why it's the same thing each year, with a couple of new tweaks here & there.

As I said, Apple is all about the iPhone. It's what generates most of their revenue & it's all Tim Cook & management care about. Too bad they even managed to arse that up too with the lack of innovation and 'playing it safe' with design choices. The masses are walking away to Android devices as they represent value for money at a price the consumer is happy to pay.

Apple needs to have a very good 2019 with some product launches that are actually exciting for a change. The iPhone cannot fail this year and go the way of the Mac, that's for sure.
 
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The first Mac I used for some extended time was my uncle's Powerbook.

I don't know the exact model but from looking at Wikipedia, it was a 100 series, probably something powerful, a 140 or 170, as he used it mainly for Matlab.

I loved it and since then never stopped loving the Mac.
 
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They don't care about the Mac, it's that simple. Apple are 'the iPhone company' now. Yes, they still earn billions from Mac sales, but there's been so little innovation that it's embarrassing. All the decent software engineers were moved from macOS to iOS years ago. macOS is maintained by a skeleton number of engineers, hence why it's the same thing each year, with a coupke of new tweaks here & there.

As I said, Apple is all about the iPhone. It's what generates most of their revenue & it's all Tim Cook & management care about. Too bad they even managed to arse that up too with the lack of innovation and 'playing it safe' with design choices. The masses are walking away to Android devices as they represent value for money at a price the consumer is happy to pay.

Apple needs to have a very good 2019 with some product launches that are actually exciting for a change. The iPhone cannot fail this year and go the way of the Mac, that's for sure.

Completely agree, Apple's just turning into a fashion company that's more focused on selling itself than anything else. Over two decade's with the Mac, yet today I wont entertain a single computer from Apple's line up. For the first time ever I'm in the field (engineering) and both my systems are Windows.

The negativity, the exodus of many long-term professional Mac users firmly lies with Apple nobody else. I can honestly say I've never seen so many abandon the platform and with good reason...

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And to say the current products are “great”, is just as dumb.

Lmaooo what are you even talking about?

Apple products have always been more expensive than the competition. Apple has always been first to get rid of a port/drive.

The current products are great. Of course there are annoyances, but to say everything they do sucks... Thats just dumb.
 
Coming from Apple IIgs and Amiga 2000 the Mac SE addition was boring with no color and painfully slow especially with text scrolling since the BBS scene and early internet were predominantly text.

Well, 'predominantly text' wasn't exactly the Mac's party trick - back in those days my day job was sitting behind a VT220 terminal and that did scrolling text very nicely. In the 80s, an 80x24 character-generator-based screen was the norm for purely text-based work and a fully bitmapped screen/screen mode was a luxury that hammered the CPU and drank RAM.

The Amiga, of course, technically blew everything out of the water - and had hardware-accelerated graphics that could eat things like displaying/scrolling text on a colour bitmap screen for breakfast. It just had the bad luck to come at a time when businesses wouldn't look twice at anything that didn't run IBM PC software and Apple had secured the remaining niche in DTP, leaving the Amiga (undeservedly) as the most over-engineered games console in history.

Apple products have always been more expensive than the competition. Apple has always been first to get rid of a port/drive.

...and they've often been near failure as a result of pricing themselves out of the market, which has usually been averted by bringing out an 'affordable' option (The LC/Classic/IIsi in 1990, the iMac in 1998, and - to a certain extent - the original Mac itself c.f. the Lisa).

Apple's problem is that they come out with an innovation (Apple II, Mac, iPhone...) that justifies a premium price because, at launch, there's nothing else like it - then, years later, they're still trying to flog the incrementally-improved version of the same product at the same, or higher, premium, except now they're up against credible competition at half the price. Its been black-and-white in the last couple of quarters' results that they're extracting more money from a static, if not shrinking pool of loyal/locked-in customers. That's not sustainable.

Yes, they've always been expensive, but they're getting more expensive and they're getting meaner (anybody remember when the iPad dock came with an extra PSU in the box? When your Mac came with a DVI-to-VGA dongle? When your MacBook power supply came with an extension lead? - and the charge cable, although that was because it was integral).

...and yes, they dropped ports when they were obsolete, when there were better alternatives or when they created a new product category. Not to save a buck or to trim 1mm off the case thickness and enable bending. Not, "whups, we're going to all-USB-C, don't worry, there will probably be products that don't need dongles along in a year or three..."
 
What about the 30th anniversary? The 25th?

Don't remember the fuss and video they made for the 30th?

https://9to5mac.com/2014/01/24/appl...ac-with-accompanying-video-timeline-and-poll/

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What a sad anniversary in 2019. I hope the 40th will be much happier. Apple needs a new blood, somebody who cares.

I agree! last macs have so many issues that listing all of them make me think that if there was not macOS would be just the most stupid thing to do to buy a mac.
The most ridiculous thing about macs is that it looks like they didn't fix the keyboard yet considering that they just discovered that, after using it a while, the third generations has issues as well. I'm waiting for another class action with new Macbook Airs. I will remember this post to anyone says I'm wrong.
I don't know what Steve would think about the new macs, but for sure he would kick Tim ***!
 
But wait a moment. What made the original Macintosh so great? As far as I know, Apple already had released other computers before, like the Apple I, Apple II, Lisa, etc... What made this Macintosh so special that generated so much passion and excitement, as well as eventually making Steve Jobs leave the company?
 
Bought and owned my first Mac, an early 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inch in November 2015. Its an awesome computing experience! I always desired owning a Mac, but of course, cost was the issue, not to mention entrenchment in a world of Windows for decades.

I have become such a fan of the platform; in recent times, I managed to pickup two older models for nostalgic purposes: an iBook G3 and a PowerBook G4 15 inch capable of running Mac OS X 10.1 and Mac OS 9.2

I would like to some day get a Macintosh 128 or 512, Plus or SE in good working condition capable of running the earliest System software. Would like to play with some vintage versions of Word and Excel and just really get an actual feel of what its like.

Steve Jobs definitely saw the future of computing and pioneered it with the Macintosh. It’s amazing how much XEROX PARC just never saw the golden opportunity they were sitting on.

I must admit, I am typing this on a 2017 iPad Pro 12.9 at the moment, which shows how much my computing has evolved. But the Mac is still a great platform to use. I hope it continues to thrive and although I am least likely to buy one (will play with it in the store), I can’t wait to see the new Mac Pro and Pro Displays this year.

Nice to see good ol' enthusiasm about Apple and Macs instead of negative and derogatory comments about the Mac line-up and Tim Cook. I would also like to get my hands on vintage Macs, starting with Macintosh.
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I agree! last macs have so many issues that listing all of them make me think that if there was not macOS would be just the most stupid thing to do to buy a mac.
The most ridiculous thing about macs is that it looks like they didn't fix the keyboard yet considering that they just discovered that, after using it a while, the third generations has issues as well. I'm waiting for another class action with new Macbook Airs. I will remember this post to anyone says I'm wrong.
I don't know what Steve would think about the new macs, but for sure he would kick Tim ***!

I have 2017 5K iMac with no issue at all. My wife has 2016 12-inch Macbook, no issues at all -very nifty laptop I must add.
 
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But wait a moment. What made the original Macintosh so great? As far as I know, Apple already had released other computers before, like the Apple I, Apple II, Lisa, etc... What made this Macintosh so special that generated so much passion and excitement, as well as eventually making Steve Jobs leave the company?

Well, if you have to ask that question, then one thing is obvious: You had not been around back in the day when the Mac was introduced. Yeah, the LISA was a first nice try, but outrageously expensive - and also quite slow and only had a rather limited software portfolio. The original plan with the Mac was to sell it for a lot less than 2,000 bucks, but then Sculley talked Jobs into selling it at a higher price -- resulting in extremely slow sales, basically turning the Mac into a gigantic economic flop, especially when you compare the Mac to the massive success that the Apple II series was. According to Andy Hertzfeld, one of the original Mac engineers, everybody of the Mac team felt betrayed by the company's decision to sell the Mac at high margins; they had always been told that the Mac was supposed to be an affordable tool for everybody. Once their work was done, that ideal was thrown out of the window.

What made the Mac special was that it came with a graphical user interface, that it was created for regular people who did not need to know anything about programming or electronic engineering in order to use it and that it came bundled with a WYSWIG word processing software AND a paint program. With those two applications and the fact the machine could be used with a mouse instead of having to learn a lot of "magical incantations" that needed to be typed on a keyboard, the Mac attracted a completely different audience than ANY other computer before it.

The Apple II was a machine for geeks and the early generation of hobby programmers and what would nowadays be called "makers". But the Mac wasn't a computer a like that, it was a creativity tool - the first one of its kind.

Since the Mac was too expensive for most people, the Atari ST, the Commodore Amiga and later the Windows PC made good on the promise that Apple had made with the Mac, but wouldn't keep because of their corporate greed: Making computers easy to use for everybody and bringing the graphical user interface to the masses.

Back in the day, Atari Germany ran a marketing campaign with the slogan "Wir machen Spitzentechnologie preiswert". And that was exactly what the Atari ST did: Unlike the Apple Mac, the Atari ST "made high-end technology affordable". Those machines, and then the Commodore Amiga, sold like hotcakes. They even had graphics and sound capabilities that were much superior to what the Mac had. Apple may have created the first usable graphical user interface, but the competition had an edge when it came to raw hardware power AND pricing. And not to mention: Atari and Commode had GAMES. LOTS of them. Steve Jobs never wanted to associate the Mac with gaming. From a marketing and sales perspective, that was a gigantic and unforgivable mistake.

And then came Microsoft with their Windows user interface, which finally became usable with version 3.0 and which could turn every "boring" IBM or IBM compatible business PC into some kind of Mac, too.

As they say, the rest is history. And today, the Mac is an afterthought and only there to launch Xcode and write software for the iPhone and iPad. Which, funny enough, is similar to the cycle the Mac orginally went through: If you wanted to write software for the Mac, in the beginning you had to buy a LISA to do so. It took a while for the Mac to become "self hosting". The amazing thing is that Apple has not managed to make iOS self hosting. But the day that happens, you can bet that the Mac will be removed from Apple's product portfolio for good.
 
Apple’s goal when introduced was to sell 100,000 in 100 days. Now that is a couple of minutes. I was one of those buyers upgrading from my II fx back then you couldn’t buy Apple products anywhere but an actual physical store. Apple wanted you to have a place for support not only to purchase.
 
No game-changing products from Apple since Timmy took over in 2011. Only some nice accessories (Apple Watch, AirPods, Apple Pencil).
I disagree to varying degrees. This is coming from someone who has no desire for any of the products you mentioned. Apple Pencil? I agree - not game changing, it's simply Apple's proprietary stylus.
AirPods? More of a game changer. As ugly as I think they are (watches my kid walking into the kitchen with a pair sticking out of her ears), there's no denying the effect they've had on the wireless headphone market. They also played a pivotal role in killing the headphone jack in smartphones (thankyou for the resistance Samsung!).
Apple Watch? C'mon brother. When a product can go from not existing to leading an entire industry in less than 5 years, while basically obsoleting it's Android competition... to deny the game changing nature of that is, is... yeah, it's willful. You have to be trying pretty hard to make that denial.

We're talking about two products that had a major role in popularizing two categories of products: truly wireless headphones and smartwatches. Like 'em, don't like 'em. You really can't diminish their impact.
Again, this is coming from someone who doesn't like either product.
 
Coming from Apple IIgs and Amiga 2000 the Mac SE addition was boring with no color and painfully slow especially with text scrolling since the BBS scene and early internet were predominantly text. Even the Apple IIe was more enjoyable.

I loved both my Mac+ and my SE30. Sounds like what you are describing was more of the user experience with the Lisa. When the Mac came out I had a Compaq 'portable' (aka, a suitcase). I wasn't that excited about the Mac. I figure that both the PC and the Mac were basically Turing machines, so there would be very little to differentiate them. Certainly my 6-month experience with the Lisa was uninspiring. However, once I got my hands on a Mac, the advantages it had over the PC were immediately obvious: Quickdraw installed in a ROM, an easy interface with PostScript printers, and good programming tools. The fact that it did not have colour was irrelevant for my purposes, for back then B&W printing was the norm. Once I was able to pair a SCSI HD with my Mac+, I was doing things in my lab that nobody else was capable of doing. I guess I found my enjoyment in the utility of the machine to get things done. We were among the first to digitise microscope sections (with a device called Thunderscan that scanned photomicrographs).
 
I had a Fat Mac -- with an entire 512K of RAM on board, and the signatures molded into the inside of the case. HyperCard needed a megabyte of memory, so I had to swap the motherboard with another one that could actually hold it. The screen was 512 by 384 pixels, and I'm thinking the processor may have been all of 4.77MHz.

Last weekend I plugged in the new Mac mini I'm writing this on -- stock 8GB of [socketed] memory, and can run a 4K screen.

And all I can say is: hooray for the Mac!

[Edit] And let me add that I think the new Mac mini is a badly needed step in the right direction.
 
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Looks like Guy Kawasaki written all over this original demo. No?

The other tricky thing with this video and the virtual sync rate matched exactly the recording camera. When I try to take photos or videos of our kids playing games with the oringinal Macs you get a virticle line moving top to bottom.

Was going into a store to buy an AST 286 with Ventura Publisher but an associate showed me HyperCard and that is what sold me for my first Mac Plus with an ImageWriter printer and QuarkXpress 1.1 and 4mb ram and 20mb hard drive.

The great thing is we have several working units at our camp and the kids play a quiz game we wrote in MS Basic that networks them all together using AppleTalk.

I love breaking out my 512 Mac for Golf or Alien Arcade or 3 in Three games.
Still have some original boxes and bags.
 
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