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macOS 13.2 Breaks Compatibility With Pioneer's CD/DVD Drives [Updated]
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After I upgraded my last iMac a few years ago, since I no longer had a working CD drive, I bought an external Bluray writer/reader. Writes 50GB to disk. I figured it might be useful for backing up things in case my various HDDs all fail. But I haven't used the drive in a few years now...
Confirmation here. External Pioneer BDR-XD05B USB drive that was working prior to 13.2 does not show up at all, even in diskutil. Bummer.
The M-Disc (Millennial Disc) version of DVD/Bluray are claimed to last (in proper storage) for 1000 years. According to Wikipedia: NIST reported M-Disc is an acceptable archival format for 100+ years.
the problem with that writable optical media is that it often fails after a few years. I wish there was some kind of archival format that we could write once to and have it last for decades or centuries, but other than bulky and fragile paper, I don’t know of a solution.
I dont agree. I have CD's from ages ago that still play just fine.
I have several boxes of them from the early 2000’s and about half are still readable. The rest just won’t mount.
I agree that it's also Pounder's fault in some ways. They clearly not tested their products on the beta cycles. At least if they don't find a solution before the public release, they could just notice users to not upgrade BEFORE 13.2 came out. If a fix don't come soon, its over, no more Poineer products for me.
But it's also a fact that Apple have some quality control issues for a while now. iOS 16.0 was clearly not ready to the public and even now it's still not on par with iOS 15. Same with macOS versions. Thhere's still some bugs that are there for years now. I'm tired to wait for months for a single fix. A major issue like this should have been resolved last week already, but no, it will probably takes a month or two before Apple wake up.
But it's also a fact that Apple have some quality control issues for a while now. iOS 16.0 was clearly not ready to the public and even now it's still not on par with iOS 15. Same with macOS versions. Thhere's still some bugs that are there for years now. I'm tired to wait for months for a single fix. A major issue like this should have been resolved last week already, but no, it will probably takes a month or two before Apple wake up.
- Have you verified (or do you have verified sources) that this problem already occurred in beta versions?
- Do you know for sure they have not already notified Apple of these problems during the beta?
- Do you know for sure this is a problem on Pioneers end?
Like I said, if they really tested during the beta cycle, why they only inform costumers about this AFTER many complaints on the web? If they knew the problem but not warn their costumers before the public release then its total incompetence at its finest.
Still annoying to not be able to check what you have. Have you tried opening them in VLC?
Because Apple software testing gets worse and worse each new release. I couldn’t use my 4K monitor properly for months when I got my 14in M1 MBP, when it worked perfectly fine on my pc laptop and 2015 MBP.
There's really nothing to speculate about in this case, though. USB security keys have been supported in other operating systems for years now, and those other systems still run these drives just fine. Apple was once again trying to catch up to the other desktop operating systems on the market with a rushed implementation, and very clearly broke something. While I can also imagine Apple scrambling to close the various backdoors that no doubt exist in their own USB implementation, that hardly means that they are blameless here. On the contrary, that only means that Apple should have been relying more on competent software engineering and less on "security by obscurity".
Not likely, they're not that smart, and they are used by a class driver on the OS side, so no special drivers...
Just bought a new SuperDrive for my M1 MBP last month, and just installed the latest version of TurboTax from CD.
Also, I still purchase audio CDs and rip them into iTunes/Apple Music.
The SuperDrive continues to work properly with Ventura.
It all depends on the media. My commercial CDs from the 80's, and DVD's from the 90's still work just fine. My high-end burnables from the 90's work fine. But the cheap ones (particularly with a blue substrate) are all toast.
Day to day, it's pretty rare to see anyone use CDs or DVDs but for backups in particular DVDs still very much in use (esp. M-DISC).
The rule goes something like this: 3 copies of data, 2 different forms of media, 1 being off site.
"catch up to other operating systems"
"rushed implantation"
"scrambling"
"should have been relying more on competent software engineering"
"security by obscurity"
Who's speculating?
I just got back into Macs after a year hiatus and not budging from Mojave. I was doing a big transfer with my new M2 Mini and rock solid M.2 drive+enclosure and I get a disconnect and Kernal Panic. Pretty lame for its first day being used.
My Nikon camera still uses SD cards. Now they no longer work in my mbp. Nor does my thumb drive.
My apple CD/DVD drive still works. And my Samsung external drive still works. But, no SD cards or thumb drives work anymore. Good job Apple, good job.
My apple CD/DVD drive still works. And my Samsung external drive still works. But, no SD cards or thumb drives work anymore. Good job Apple, good job.
My Canon uses SD cards as well. I have not tested my SD card reader since the update since I normally just plug into USB the camera.
I just checked and the Hicobar USB-C SD card reader reads and writes the SD cards from my old Panasonic camera. It seems to be pretty hit or miss which devices are affected.