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people still use CDs and DVDs on new machines? Lol
I don’t use CDs or blu rays on my computer but I for sure use blu rays to watch films and shows. In my country you can’t watch Westworld since HBO removed it for tax reasons. I can watch it though as I own the series on blu ray!

Physical media doesn’t disappear because of decisions made by big corporations.
 
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Rule of thumb: always stay one year behind at least with Apple OS.
That's the way to avoid most hiccups and bugs.
Sad because before this, Ventura was one of the most bug free OS I've experienced alongside Big Sur. And I'm on the Mac world since El Cap.
 
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It's hard to know who is at fault but it is obvious that an update in the OS brought the problem to a head. It could simply be there was a problem with the USB controller in the optical drives that was "allowed" but technically not in spec and Apple in the name of security patched the OS to close that hole. Years ago Microsoft updated Windows 10 USB drivers and it bricked a lot of devices using FTDI USB chips because they were giving out the wrong ID during handshakes and Windows thought they were counterfeit. This could be something similar. Just because it used to work doesn't mean it was working correctly. It just means that it was tolerated.

Since this is the first version of MacOS to natively support USB security keys I would think Apple buttoning up the holes in their USB drivers to make them secure would be the first places I would look.
If it's security, that's fine, but Apple's track record on telling us what was wrong isn't real great, and I don't expect to hear on this one either.
 
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i have a pioneer bluray drive working fine with my M1 mini just fine. is this specific models, or even specific ports? i'm using a type-A connection, but could use a type-C, but wouldn't because those are my thunderbolt devices.
 
Disagree, those drives worked forever and still work on most machines, just not Mac's with the latest OS.
those drive could be using some deprecated API, and Apple then removed the API. Or the driver could have been using some unsupported API that was removed due to security concerns. Not all drives stopped working, just some Pioneer drives.
 
those drive could be using some deprecated API, and Apple then removed the API. Or the driver could have been using some unsupported API that was removed due to security concerns. Not all drives stopped working, just some Pioneer drives.
Those drives are accessed by apple drivers, if they don't work it's still Apple that did the deed. Now if they came out and said it was because of security, most people, including myself wouldn't have a problem with it, but I doubt if Apple ever says. They'll either fix it with the next update, or it'll just never work again, who knows.
 
I believe it's related to USB issues. There are reports where 13.2 broke USB external drives. Apple broke something and didn't tell anyone.
 
If it's security, that's fine, but Apple's track record on telling us what was wrong isn't real great, and I don't expect to hear on this one either.
Apple implements the Universal Serial Bus 3.2 Specification from the USB-IF in their IOUSBHost framework. Unless Apple has done something non-standard here, then it's probably a non-compliant device that is the culprit. It would be nice if Apple pointed us in that direction with some sort of statement, but it's probably not on Apple to figure out the compliance of every device out there to the USB spec. Since it only seems to be these particular drives that are affected and not other optical drives (even from Pioneer) then I would say it's probably on Pioneer to figure out and fix.
 
Optical Drives?

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Rule of thumb: always stay one year behind at least with Apple OS.
That's the way to avoid most hiccups and bugs.

Nah, actually I often install betas to get the new features even sooner. And I use my Mac for work - I just don’t mind a bug here and there.
 
One can also ask why something that works fine even in 13.1 can break in 13.2, a .x update? What is Apple doing?
Then why would they have a beta program? If point updates are not expected to break things unexpectedly, why have a public beta program for it? Its to actually test, catch these things so the IHV can work with Apple to at least say, we are aware of a bug that might affect Pioneer optical drives. Please either refrain from upgrading or apply this patch. Apple can't be expected to make every single thing work. Besides, other brand optical drives are working.
 
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Nah, actually I often install betas to get the new features even sooner. And I use my Mac for work - I just don’t mind a bug here and there.
Using a Mac for work and installing beta software on a work computer is kind of the same thing anyhow.
 
So Ventura is inheriting old bugs from older macOS and adding much more….

Apple definitely should stop adding features for the next release and focus in fixing bugs as they did with Leopard and Lion
 
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Why have a beta program at all then?
You have a beta program to allow developers to start working on your code. You also have a beta program to FIX these issues before they are released in the wild. However, to your point, there's minimal point to having a beta program when your RELEASE versions are effectively acting as betas in terms of instability and quality control.

The point is that it's not Pioneer's responsibility to fix something that Apple broke. Apple broke something that had been previously working. And, in the case of Pioneer, for a damn long while.
 
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