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Bartender 5 works fine for me in Public Beta 1, but if I try and run iStat Menus it then crashes.
iStat menus by itself runs, but doesn't put anything on the menu bar.
 
Bartender 5 works fine for me in Public Beta 1, but if I try and run iStat Menus it then crashes.
iStat menus by itself runs, but doesn't put anything on the menu bar.
I've been using Ice instead of Bartender and iStat Menus is working well for me.
 
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Bartender 5 works fine for me in Public Beta 1, but if I try and run iStat Menus it then crashes.
iStat menus by itself runs, but doesn't put anything on the menu bar.
Bartender was not working before I installed iStat Menus, so I uninstalled it. I then installed iStat Menus, and it is working fine.
 
Here, Ice did not work correctly when installed under beta4. Nothing could be added to the bars. I'll try again to check if there's a way to make it work correctly
 
I've been using Ice instead of Bartender and iStat Menus is working well for me.

Same here. Ice really is a great replacement for Bartender.

I've ever heard of this tool but it looks exactly like the Hidden Bar replacement I've been yearning for. Bartender has never been on my radar as I thought it looked overkill and overpriced for my needs. Thanks for sharing, your posts may have just earned this dev an extra fan 👍🏼
 
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I've ever heard of this tool but it looks exactly like the Hidden Bar replacement I've been yearning for. Bartender has never been on my radar as I thought it looked overkill and overpriced for my needs. Thanks for sharing, your posts may have just earned this dev an extra fan 👍🏼
fwiw, what's wrong with hidden bar? it's worked for me thru every beta since tahoe developer beta 1....
 
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Yes, hidden bar was slightly under developed for my needs too and Ice has (almost perfectly) filled the missing gaps for me today, thanks to you and gank41 bringing it to my attention.

Given the initial release cadence of Ice prior to the last release, I'm now a little disappointed that there's been no updates since Oct last year and the developer has also stated that Ice development has taken a backseat to their new job. I really hope Ice doesn't get completely neglected or just fall into 'occasional maintenance' mode. It really is a superb little app!

Of course, I'm happy the dev got hired (maybe even on the strength of Ice and its popularity), and I appreciate they have to pay the bills and when something is open source, very few will ever donate to the dev or 'buy them a coffee', but...I really want a couple more of the features on the roadmap now I've tried it 😅.

Nothing wrong, if it meets your needs. When I tried it some years (3?) ago, I found it was significantly lacking in functionality compared with Bartender. Checking now, I see that it has not had any updates in over 3 years - that would worry me regarding commitment from the developer.
 
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Nothing wrong, if it meets your needs. When I tried it some years (3?) ago, I found it was significantly lacking in functionality compared with Bartender. Checking now, I see that it has not had any updates in over 3 years - that would worry me regarding commitment from the developer.
ah, got it. i used to use bartender, but it's overkill for me; i just want to hide some icons. so, it's a freebee that works perfectly in tahoe. it's basic, it works; am not worried about 'developer commitment' 👍
 
Thanks gilby101 for providing the link for the Tahoe beta version of Ice. The previous version did not work properly on my machine with Tahoe PB1 (beta4). This new version is working fine.
 
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Hi audio/music people, here's a list of stuff that works with dev beta 4. If some kind soul wants to add these to the first post, thanks!

Logic Pro all plugins and third-party ones from Plugin Alliance, Audiomodern, Ayaic etc - I expect most/all the third party plugins to work but have too many to test

Rogue Amoeba

  • Latest SoundSource and Audio Hijack Pro work (test versions)
Mixed In Key SE, MIK 11 works but MIK Live does not

Sound ID Reference works, was a bit flaky at first

Native Instruments Traktor works

  • havent tested it with my Z2 mixer
Izotope RX 11 works

Audiofinder works

Focusrite control works

  • Scarlett 4i4 Gen 3 Audio interface works
ILok License manager works

Anytune works, but the name of the track playing doesnt appear at the top of ther window

VCV Rack Free 2 works

Melodics works

Sugar Bytes Thesys, Effectrix2 standalone do NOT work

Havent tested Serato DJ yet
 
Hi audio/music people, here's a list of stuff that works with dev beta 4. If some kind soul wants to add these to the first post, thanks!

Logic Pro all plugins and third-party ones from Plugin Alliance, Audiomodern, Ayaic etc - I expect most/all the third party plugins to work but have too many to test

Rogue Amoeba

  • Latest SoundSource and Audio Hijack Pro work (test versions)
Mixed In Key SE, MIK 11 works but MIK Live does not

Sound ID Reference works, was a bit flaky at first

Native Instruments Traktor works

  • havent tested it with my Z2 mixer
Izotope RX 11 works

Audiofinder works

Focusrite control works

  • Scarlett 4i4 Gen 3 Audio interface works
ILok License manager works

Anytune works, but the name of the track playing doesnt appear at the top of ther window

VCV Rack Free 2 works

Melodics works

Sugar Bytes Thesys, Effectrix2 standalone do NOT work

Havent tested Serato DJ yet
Yes...Sound ID Reference was but is OK now... don't know why... I had trouble with VSL Vienna Ensemble Pro Server v7.... VSL is now aware of the problem... do you use it??
 
Hi audio/music people, here's a list of stuff that works with dev beta 4. If some kind soul wants to add these to the first post, thanks!

Logic Pro all plugins and third-party ones from Plugin Alliance, Audiomodern, Ayaic etc - I expect most/all the third party plugins to work but have too many to test
all my logic plugins work, with some caveats: izotope plugins have some quirks; fabfilter has some save & rewrite issues. but nothing that keeps me from working 👍
 
Non-Working Apps (move to the other list once they are confirmed to be working)
  • Any Add To Dock or Web App removed from the dock (do not appear in new spotlight)
  • Alcove (will not launch after install)
  • Aldente ( Battery Manager) - Experimental build for Tahoe v1.33.2 -> Working with 1.34.1
  • Bartender fails to set his menu bar
  • Carbon Copy Cloner V7.1.1 (See my post #38) - Latest beta v7.1.2-b4 now works
  • Clean Email (use web client instead)
  • DEVONthink 4 (runs but crashes on exit)
  • Endless Sky (crashes within a few minutes - edit: another try didn't crash but glitchy graphics
  • Mailbutler (crashes)
  • MagicJack (opens but cannot find telephone)
  • Malwarebytes (runs, but you'll have difficulty installing new updates)
  • Movist (doesn't start)
  • Menubar IP - seems open, but text is not visible
  • Orion (app launches but browser crashes when browsing or clicking anywhere)
  • SpyderXElite 6.2 (cannot save calibration file)
  • The Long Dark ("failed to load dll")
  • TotalFinder (even after disabling SIP and other instructions, it resides in FINDER settings but cannot be accessed)
  • Typinator
  • Lightroom Classic 14.4 (working with beta 4)
Partially Working
  • Adapter (conversions work, but update does not)
  • Bumpr (Initially works but will not let you edit settings after initial install)
  • Forecast Bar (Weather notifications working but will not appear in Menu Bar)
  • iMazing (Broken context menus and popups, various buttons not working. See post)
  • Keka (works but can't customize such as selecting to delete files after expanding)
  • Little Snitch (current stable release is broken, nightly is working) Thread about this.
  • Microsoft Outlook - Couple of crashes, but generally working okay.
  • Microsoft Word - Word won't save when quit - Beta 4
  • Popclip (works but menu hangs not allowing you to select "start at login.")
  • PureVPN (Dashboard allows VPN to be enabled but not disabled. Taskbar still allows it to be disabled)
  • Steam (app works but haven't actually gotten a game to work - maybe it's just the games themselves?)
  • Time Machine icon not set up, had to go into settings and select my backup disc. Now enabled.
  • CleanShotX - 4.8 - can take screenshots, but can't edit them in the CleanshotX app because most of the icons in the toolbar aren't accessible)
  • Mullvad (VPN works, but Messages cannot receive or send messages when it's active)
  • WhatsApp Desktop
  • Yahoo Mail App.
Debated (some say it works, some say it doesn't)
  • Docker Desktop (See this post)
  • Dropbox - 226.3.5047 works
  • Surfshark 4.20.0 (download version spotty, MAS seems fully stable)
Working Apps
  • 1CCBlocker
  • 1Password
  • 1Password for Safari
  • 4D Client
  • AlDente Pro
  • Adapter
  • AdGuard Pro
  • Adobe Creative Cloud
  • Adobe Lightroom Classic
  • Adobe Photoshop 2025
  • Affinity Designer 2
  • Affinity Photo 2
  • Affinity Publisher 2
  • Alfred 5
  • Amethyst
  • Amphetamine
  • Apache Netbeans
  • AppCleaner
  • BambuStudio
  • Battle.net Launcher
  • BBEdit
  • Bear
  • BetterDisplay (use latest internal pre-release for full compatibility and updated visuals)
  • BetterTouchTool
  • BetterZip
  • Bitdefender AV
  • Blackmagic Disk SpeedTest
  • Brave
  • Brother P-Touch Editor
  • Canva
  • Carbon Copy Cloner 7.1.2-b4 (see above)
  • ChatGPT Desktop
  • CheatSheet
  • Checkbook Pro 3
  • Chronicle
  • Clamshell
  • Claude
  • CleanMyMac
  • CoconutBattery Plus
  • ColorNavigator 7
  • Copilot Money
  • CustomMenu 3
  • Cursor
  • CyberDuck
  • DaisyDisk
  • Datacolor Spyder
  • Dato
  • DaVinci Resolve
  • Default Folder X 6.2b1 (Beta)
  • Dia Browser
  • Discord
  • Disk Drill
  • Displaperture
  • Downie 4
  • DriveDx
  • Drobo Dashboard
  • Enpass (Browser Extensions with latest Beta from Testflight)
  • Epic Games
  • Fantastical
  • Festivitas
  • Figma
  • Final Draft 13 (seems fixed in beta 4)
  • Find Any File
  • Firefox
  • Firefox Developer Edition
  • Forklift
  • Geekbench 6
  • Ghostty
  • Google Chrome
  • Grammarly
  • GraphicConverter 12
  • HazeOver
  • Hidden Bar
  • Home Assistant
  • Home brew•HP Smart
  • HoudahSpot
  • iAWriter
  • Ice (Beta Version for Tahoe)
  • IINA
  • Instapaper
  • iStat Menus
  • iTerm 2
  • Ivanti Secure Access
  • Keybell
  • Libre Office
  • Librewolf
  • Lightroom CC
  • Little Snitch (nightly)
  • LM Studio
  • Logi Options+
  • Logic Pro v11.2
  • Logos
  • Lossless Cut
  • LuLu
  • Macs Fan Control
  • Mactracker
  • MacUpdater
  • MacWhisper
  • MAMP/MAMP Pro
  • Microsoft Edge
  • Microsoft Excel
  • Microsoft Office 365 – Teams OK
  • Microsoft PowerPoint
  • Microsoft Word - Word won't save when quit - Beta 4
  • Min browser
  • MongoDB Compass
  • Moneydance
  • Monilogue Sound Librarian
  • Mos 3.5.0 (safe application, but needs Gatekeeper to allow from Anywhere)
  • Mp3Tag
  • MySQL Workbench
  • NeoFinder
  • Nextcloud Desktop Client
  • Nextcloud Talk
  • Noir
  • NordVPN
  • Notion
  • Nova (shows standard prerelease software disclaimer, but works)
  • ntsc-rs
  • Obsidian
  • Okta Verify
  • One Markdown
  • Onyx 4.9.0 beta
  • OpenAudible
  • OpenEmu
  • Oversight
  • Owly
  • Paprika Recipe Manager 3
  • Parallels Desktop Pro
  • Parcel
  • PCalc
  • PCS60
  • PDFpenPro
  • Permute
  • Perplexity
  • Phoenix Code
  • Photo Mechanic
  • Pixea
  • Pixelmator Pro
  • Polypane
  • PopChar V10.4
  • Postman
  • Private Internet Access
  • Proton Drive
  • Proton Pass
  • Proton VPN
  • PyCharm
  • qBittorrent
  • Qobuz
  • QuickBooks Online desktop app
  • Reeder Classic
  • reMarkable
  • Remote Desktop
  • Remove-It
  • REW
  • RoboForm
  • Roon
  • Scrivener
  • Skeets
  • Signal
  • Shottr
  • Sky Go
  • Slack
  • SnippetsLab
  • Sonos
  • SoundSource (works after an acknowledgement and ARK plugin update)
  • SpamSieve
  • Spark
  • Sparkle AI
  • Speedtest.Net App
  • Spotify
  • Stats
  • StudioTax 2024
  • SuperDuper
  • Synology Drive Client
  • Tailscale
  • Telegram
  • TG Pro
  • Things 3
  • Tinkertools
  • TinkerTool System 9
  • Topaz Photo AI 4 (some UI issues with progress bars)
  • Topaz Video AI 7 (some UI issues with progress bars)
  • Transmit
  • TurboTax 2024
  • Unity Hub
  • Usage
  • Visual Studio Code
  • VLC
  • VMWare Fusion
  • Warp
  • Webex
  • WiFi Signal
  • Wipr
  • Wireguard
  • WinBox 4
  • World of Warcraft
  • XLD
  • XQuartz
  • Yep
  • Zoom
Does little snitch mini work?
 
Scrivener is not working fully in developer beta 4 / public beta 1. See Scrivener forum.

WhatsApp desktop is not working fully in developer beta 4 / public beta 1: ‘Export Chat’ causes WhatsApp to close without an export being completed.

Books is not working fully in developer beta 4 / public beta 1.
  1. Create a simple ePub (in Pages, Calibre, etc)
  2. Import to Books
  3. Books crashes with the following error message: ‘Book Content Unavailable. There was a problem loading book content. Try closing and reopening.’
 
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I cannot find a way to enter Time Machine. The menubar icon doesn’t appear and there is no option I can find in System Settings.
I got it to show up by doing two things in this sequence. Not sure if one of these would have worked:
- from the Applications folder, started Time Machine. It opens in the browse mode. Shut it down.
- from settings > menu bar, deselected Time Machine and re-selected it.

Needs to be done at each restart but it seems to work.

EDIT: just toggling the menu bar setting seems to work to restore the icon in the menu bar. Still need to do it after each restart.
 
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Anyone having problems with iCalendar and iCloud calendars?
On PB1 I have the problem with sync icloud calendars in iCalendar app (Gmail accounts works fine)

Your calendar couldn't be refreshed.
The server did not recognise your username or password for account

"iCloud". Make sure you enter them correctly.

So annoying....I need to disconnect and connect again icloud calendars within the app every 2h......all the other services works fine
 
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