CrabQueenInc
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This change has been confirmed by a few other sources that I read online. I think it’s for improving security by clarifying that quitting an app does not always end its processes. I, for one, like this change.
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macOS 27: All The Little Things
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conmee
macrumors 6502a
I think GG is going in the right direction. I have simple needs for macOS.
1) It would be nice to have a toggle to switch from abbreviated Day/Month to full Day/Month on the lock screen (iOS and macOS). I like seeing the date fully written out. Sometimes. Like pre-iOS 26.
2) I like the way Sequoia Finder sidebar divvies up Favorites | iCloud | Locations. Rather than just have a cloud next to Desktop and Documents (like Tahoe/GG).
3) I wonder if Apple will ever change Mail menu so that it's "Empty Trash/Erase Trash" and "Empty Junk/Erase Junk" to match the Trash folder since there's no Deleted Items folder. Just a random thing I figured they'd eventually standardize, but it's been at least 17 years (Snow Leopard) maybe longer since Mail's menu has been this way.
1) It would be nice to have a toggle to switch from abbreviated Day/Month to full Day/Month on the lock screen (iOS and macOS). I like seeing the date fully written out. Sometimes. Like pre-iOS 26.
2) I like the way Sequoia Finder sidebar divvies up Favorites | iCloud | Locations. Rather than just have a cloud next to Desktop and Documents (like Tahoe/GG).
3) I wonder if Apple will ever change Mail menu so that it's "Empty Trash/Erase Trash" and "Empty Junk/Erase Junk" to match the Trash folder since there's no Deleted Items folder. Just a random thing I figured they'd eventually standardize, but it's been at least 17 years (Snow Leopard) maybe longer since Mail's menu has been this way.
flowrider
macrumors 604
But after using Photoshop, I got this message in the upper right.
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QuarterSwede
macrumors G4
This is what a Snow Leopard update is like. Not a lot of user facing changes but a ton of backend fixes. It’s basically a massive bug fix release along with a few new niceties.
Would anyone be willing to crank the liquid glass components to maximum tint and post a screenshot of an app that has a bunch of individual glass buttons at the top of the app (safari, preview, activity monitor, etc) on light mode?
I’m curious to see how different it looks from the clear & standard glass I’ve seen though out this thread.
I’m curious to see how different it looks from the clear & standard glass I’ve seen though out this thread.
conmee
macrumors 6502a
Almost indistinguishable. It's more noticeable if there's something behind the LG buttons/elements. You can see it in the example with the slider.
judgeFire
macrumors member
Still somehow more Liquid Acrylic than Liquid Glass.
tomtad
macrumors 68040
Really don't understand why it's a slider. Should just be a selection (clear, default, opaque).
conmee
macrumors 6502a
True. But it does actually slide. However the changes are so minimal it’s nearly impossible to tell. Either make it three selections or add a forth one to the left and make it full on Liquid Glass like originally shown last year. And make the gradients/increments more obvious between each setting. Now that Apple has given us a slider, I wouldn’t mind experimenting with extreme Liquid Glass lol
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Luftkopf
macrumors 65816
Come on! MOAR DEPTH!!!
By the way, thank you for being kind while disagreeing with some of my takes yesterday. I needed that. I have chronic fatigue and a five-month-old baby, and overreacted in my exhaustion.
csalm87
macrumors 6502
That was the point of all Apple OS's releases this year. They focused heavily on performance, fixing bugs, and optimization across their platforms which is why they spent more than half the keynote talking about the new Siri AI.
Anyone else seeing spinners in their menu bar?
- Turned all 3rd-party menu bar items off
- Turned most of the 1st-party menu bar items off
- Turned off all login items
- Turned off remaining 1st-party items
Code:
killall MenuBarAgent
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CrabQueenInc
macrumors regular
I’m sure we’d have a pleasant conversation in person. Maybe it’s naivety, but I like to think that most people on this forum are design-oriented and want to see Apple produce the best operating systems and software possible. Personally, I’m glad that I got to experience Apple’s golden era of operating systems and software, which was roughly Jaguar though Mojave—with some big misses during that period, mind you.
I have been increasingly less satisfied with Apple’s operating systems and software quality since Catalina. Add issues such as Apple’s poor treatment of developers, its continued and stubborn attempts to keep iOS locked down, and Tim Cook’s personal bootlicking of the current United States president (someone who has vocally threatened the country where I live), I’ve been closer than ever before to leaving Apple behind in my future purchases.
I say the following not to disparage anyone’s preference for the ‘26 systems, but Apple hit a level of hubris with those releases that finally was enough for me to want raise my tiny voice online and converse on forums about Apple again. Now, Apple still has a long way to go to improve the UI of macOS and its software, especially Music and Contacts, but for the first time in several years, I’m encouraged that Apple may be able to right its listing ship.
So, I get it: the new releases are moving in a direction from a version that was just right for you and it caught you on a bad day. Tahoe’s not going anywhere. Enjoy it as you do and see if Apple comes out with something in a year or two that works for you. I’ve been waiting since 2018.
Luftkopf
macrumors 65816
I'm quite sure we would! I think you're probably right. Text on a forum is a difficult medium in which to capture nuance, attitude, and intent.
You also bring up something in my experience that may be relevant. Since I used a 2012 11" i7 MacBook Air for so long, I was stuck on Catalina for years before jumping straight to Sonoma. Catalina was solid, I never had a problem with it, and jumping from that straight to Sonoma/Sequoia/Tahoe means I've skipped a lot of the experience that informs a lot of the people here.
I'm one of the weirdos who don't want iOS opened up much more than it already is, but that's a discussion for another thread.
I kinda get why he might have had to suck up to Trump, capitalism will always do its thing, but I'm never going to like it either. (Is there a country he hasn't threatened? He's having a go at mine too) If I were CEO of Apple in the same situation, I'm pretty sure Trump would be getting the DoJ to break up the company by now.
I'm glad you get to see things turning in the right direction for you! And now that I've had a bit of time to calm down a bit, I can see all the behind-the-scenes improvements to appleOS 27, and while I'm not happy with the direction the interface is taking, that's just, literally, window dressing, and I still love the OSs and their underlying structures a lot.
I'll move on, and I'm sure I'll love using GG just as much, even if I don't heaps like the stylistic direction.
Now, how do we convince Apple to scrap their Music app and try again, but do better this time?
I have this but it seems to be a rare bug. You are the only other report I've found on it. I submitted a bug report in Feedback assistant.
snakes-
macrumors 6502
Today I have made a clean install, wow the recovery mode is now twice as fast in macOS 27. I like GG for me the most of my apps are working. I wonder because my developer account was over 5 years expired but I can still download developer betas.
FileVault is now enabled by default after fresh install. I have disabled it.
FileVault is now enabled by default after fresh install. I have disabled it.
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Comfortably Numb
macrumors regular
I have just encountered the weirdest thing... something that makes me think they are preparing macOS for touch input. Look at the toolbar of Activity Viewer:
If you want to replicate, just click on the tabs and keep your mouse button pressed and see what happens. Then start dragging the mouse cursor across the toolbar while keeping the button pressed...
Note: The blue circle thingie is my screen recorder.
If you want to replicate, just click on the tabs and keep your mouse button pressed and see what happens. Then start dragging the mouse cursor across the toolbar while keeping the button pressed...
Note: The blue circle thingie is my screen recorder.
MakaniKai
macrumors 6502
I hate that with the new Siri enabled, my spotlight bar is now permanently dark mode.
Before
After
Why did they even redesign spotlight if they were just going to trash it so quickly with new Siri...
Before
After
Why did they even redesign spotlight if they were just going to trash it so quickly with new Siri...
CrabQueenInc
macrumors regular
A few observations from the beta:
1. Installation on an external drive, including moving over a large amount of files, was as smooth as could be. My customized folder icons were all intact after installation.
2. The corners are still too round for my liking. The corners still give the appearance that they are about to cut off buttons and icons, and the corners still cut off too much from photos and videos. However, I appreciate the reduction of the radius and the consistency.
3. The return of a normal sidebar and a somewhat functional toolbar makes Golden Gate feel like macOS again!
4. Apple is still learning lessons about transparency that it should have learned more than two decades ago.
5. macOS is no longer macOS Dirty Paper now that Apple has removed the drop shadows, eliminated floating buttons, and made toolbar buttons Aqua-ish. The Aqua-ish buttons make the UI look bubbly in a pleasant way.
6. The button situation is confusing. Sometimes I'm not certain whether a button is clickable because it is flat and slightly greyed out. Other times, buttons are identifiably clickable because of their new depth. Apple needs to work on this consistency and bring depth back to all buttons. The traffic light buttons cry out for their OS X origins.
7. Dark grey buttons with red text continue to be a sad design choice.
8. Scrollbars are still in a sad state. The column view scrollbar in Finder should not have gap of a few pixels at the bottom.
9. The animations for switching between certain icons, such as the precipitation in Weather, are smooth but appear laggy because they happen after I've completed the action.
10. The way the preview button jumps in and out of the sidebar window when opening/closing it is a bizarre design choice. Wasn't a fan in Tahoe, and I'm not a fan in Golden Gate.
11. System Settings is a mess, but as noted elsewhere, the Appearance settings have a new More in Accessibility option that should bring attention to additional settings that users may need to customize the OS for their needs.
12. bogdanw's workaround for iTunes still works and did not even require a reinstallation.
13. Little Snitch worked flawlessly on my installation. YMMV and all that.
14. The UI and general performance of Golden Gate feel far more responsive than Tahoe.
1. Installation on an external drive, including moving over a large amount of files, was as smooth as could be. My customized folder icons were all intact after installation.
2. The corners are still too round for my liking. The corners still give the appearance that they are about to cut off buttons and icons, and the corners still cut off too much from photos and videos. However, I appreciate the reduction of the radius and the consistency.
3. The return of a normal sidebar and a somewhat functional toolbar makes Golden Gate feel like macOS again!
4. Apple is still learning lessons about transparency that it should have learned more than two decades ago.
5. macOS is no longer macOS Dirty Paper now that Apple has removed the drop shadows, eliminated floating buttons, and made toolbar buttons Aqua-ish. The Aqua-ish buttons make the UI look bubbly in a pleasant way.
6. The button situation is confusing. Sometimes I'm not certain whether a button is clickable because it is flat and slightly greyed out. Other times, buttons are identifiably clickable because of their new depth. Apple needs to work on this consistency and bring depth back to all buttons. The traffic light buttons cry out for their OS X origins.
7. Dark grey buttons with red text continue to be a sad design choice.
8. Scrollbars are still in a sad state. The column view scrollbar in Finder should not have gap of a few pixels at the bottom.
9. The animations for switching between certain icons, such as the precipitation in Weather, are smooth but appear laggy because they happen after I've completed the action.
10. The way the preview button jumps in and out of the sidebar window when opening/closing it is a bizarre design choice. Wasn't a fan in Tahoe, and I'm not a fan in Golden Gate.
11. System Settings is a mess, but as noted elsewhere, the Appearance settings have a new More in Accessibility option that should bring attention to additional settings that users may need to customize the OS for their needs.
12. bogdanw's workaround for iTunes still works and did not even require a reinstallation.
13. Little Snitch worked flawlessly on my installation. YMMV and all that.
14. The UI and general performance of Golden Gate feel far more responsive than Tahoe.
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cms2
macrumors 6502
Man, I love this message. We’re all humans here. Good luck with the baby!
bogdanw
macrumors G3
There is a bug is Safari, dragging a downloaded file from the download menu detaches the menu.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
Can you please link me to this?
My efforts on Sequoia & Tahoe led to iTunes that crashed all the time and was basically unusable.
I'd love to have it back. 🙏