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I am a former 24 year windows user. I guess it shows. 5 year mac user, and still not sure what each color does. Except for being too damn small to click on to find out!
Haha all good!
This might have been true several years ago, but at this point it is very inconsistent. even amongst the built-in applications.
For example, in the phone app, closing the window completely quits the application.
Same with weather. and find my.
Meanwhile, most other applications still adopt the classic behavior of Windows and applications being separate.

Personally, this is an area where I wish Apple would just add a toggle to make it act more like iPadOS. The minimize button should banish it to the dock or mission control to basically just run in the background.
The close button, if in only one single window of an application that’s left, should actually close that application.
There are still so many stories out there of people who had no idea about how the Mac application paradigm works, who just had app after app after app running in the background, because they didn’t realize the red button doesn’t actually close your applications. It should by default. We’re not in 2007 anymore.
Also, it’s literally how it works on every other Apple operating system?

Of course you can leave classic mode in there for the people who want it the old way.
I think it only closes the application on apps that can't have multiple windows? For the creative apps I use, I would never want it to have that paradigm, and you'd hear a buch of people complaining about the "iOS-ification" of macOS. I wouldn't mind them adding it as an option for those who want it though I suppose

It has nothing to do with 2007 vs 2026. It’s that Apple caters towards creatives, and most of them, I would think, wouldn't want that behavior. It’s one of the things that makes iPadOS less ideal for professional applications imo
 
Except that’s not true.

Maps for instance stays open, is that document based?
I’m currently not near a Mac so I can check. But I think you can have multiple Maps windows open, so yes it is „document“ based.
The word „document“ might be a bit confusing here, but that’s what it is called.
 
I’m currently not near a Mac so I can check. But I think you can have multiple Maps windows open, so yes it is „document“ based.
The word „document“ might be a bit confusing here, but that’s what it is called.
Yes, you can have multiple windows open in Maps, but it's not a document-based app. Document apps are very specific and use NSDocument, NSDocumentController, and NSWindowController. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/AppKit/developing-a-document-based-app

Maps is a multiple-scene app because it enables UIApplicationSupportsMultipleScenes, indicating that the app supports two or more scenes simultaneously. https://developer.apple.com/documen...emanifest/uiapplicationsupportsmultiplescenes

Still, none of this controls whether an app terminates once the last window closes. That's controlled by applicationShouldTerminateAfterLastWindowClosed and is available to any AppKit app. https://developer.apple.com/documen...ationshouldterminateafterlastwindowclosed(_:)
 
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In Beta 5, Apple disabled the flow to automatically update weak and compromised passwords using Apple Intelligence and Safari. You can get it back by re-enabling the feature flag.

 
I’m currently not near a Mac so I can check. But I think you can have multiple Maps windows open, so yes it is „document“ based.
The word „document“ might be a bit confusing here, but that’s what it is called.
Again, you might not be wrong in principle, but Apple does not follow these guidelines strictly.
The phone app also has multiple windows, the main window, a call window, the settings window.
but if you close all of those windows, the application just quits.
 
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Again, you might not be wrong in principle, but Apple does not follow these guidelines strictly.
The phone app also has multiple windows, the main window, a call window, the settings window.
but if you close all of those windows, the application just quits.
They're talking about having multiple instances of the main app window. So the Phone app doesn't qualify.

Still, they're wrong. Document apps are a thing, but Apple's frameworks have evolved. You don't need to be a document app to have multiple windows or stay open after your last window is closed.
 
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I couldn't agree more with the squircle jail. What a disaster. Everything looks the same and boring.
They need to bring back the 10.8 dock.
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Windows philosophy was to have a "Parent window", that means application's window and a "Child window", which means document window. They did this to not be accused of copying the Macintosh' graphic interface. The Apple systems kept the menubar, the Windows got rid of it. It was a parent window with a menubar in Windows 1.0-to Windows 3.11. Not need to quit the application by closing it's main document window. All mac apps can be easily quit by pressing Cmd+Q.
 
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