macOS High Sierra's App Store System Preferences Can Be Unlocked With Any Password [Updated]

[DNichter]

Completely true about the opinion side of things, but as shown and documented iOS is many times worse in terms of the number of issues that has befallen it on the latest release. So by that measure its "factually" worse, that's not an opinion, bur rather a measurable metric regardless of preference.

Maybe. In this thread or another someone listed a ton of iOS 11 issues. I hadn’t experienced any of them on my 7 Plus or X and I am sure I’m not the only one. And it’s not even close on my iPad Pro. Everything is faster for me than I was with my MacBook.

Either way, as we can agree. It’s opinion and comes down to personal preference.

 

[halluxsinister]

THIS WILL BE THE END OF THE WORLD!

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO APPLE LATELY!? IF SOMEONE HAD ACCESS TO MY MACHINE THEY COULD CHANGE A COUPLE FAIRLY MEANINGLESS APP STORE PREFERENCES!!!!

That’s not the point. The point is something Apple did caused software we PAID FOR, (included in the purchase price of past, present, and future Apple products,) does not work as it’s supposed to, exposing us to risks of compromise of sensitive data and reflects carelessness on their part, or sloppiness or whatever you want to call it; they’re pushing inadequately tested, basically BETA software out to the general public as if it’s ready for prime-time when it’s obviously NOT.

Makes you wonder what ELSE they screwed up due to the same considerations that HASN'T been discovered... yet, doesn’t it?

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

That’s not the point. The point is something Apple did caused software we PAID FOR, (included in the purchase price of past, present, and future Apple products,) does not work as it’s supposed to, exposing us to risks of compromise of sensitive data and reflects carelessness on their part, or sloppiness or whatever you want to call it; they’re pushing inadequately tested, basically BETA software out to the general public as if it’s ready for prime-time when it’s obviously NOT.

Makes you wonder what ELSE they screwed up due to the same considerations that HASN'T been discovered... yet, doesn’t it?

What price did you pay for High Sierra? It was a free upgrade. There's no cost to the software and there's no guarantee that it will be bug-free. In fact we know it's impossible to have bug-free software. It doesn't exist.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

This is what happens when employees are distracted with 50 social media feeds all day long, internet magic money gambling and going blind from using the that damn eye straining watch. There is a direct correlation and causation between the existence of these and the lack of focus.

Maybe Silicon Valley has just gotten lazy, overpaid, want everything for free, and gone dumb playing with magic rocks and drinking “Raw Water”.

Result: crap software and falling behind the competitors in every category.

Apple’s OS teams a should make a full ****ing list of things to test.

Click every ****ing button and execute every ****ing command.

Don’t rely on the public to beta test everything. That’s not the public’s job.

Be ahead of competitors on graphics, VR, AI, assistants, health apps, etc!

 

[scrapesleon]

whats next?

 

[DNichter]

Why are you even trying to justify it? They’re two different operating systems targeted at completely different use cases and hardware. You can’t do scientific computing on iOS nor can you have the same touch experience on Mac. Nor should you. So yes, it is baseless and yes that’s all it is, your opinion. Not fact. Irrelevant.

Justify what? I am not sure what you are getting at here. This is a forum where everyone has a voice and opinion and we are here to share and discuss those opinions. The fact is that I happily use iOS for work and personal and it's a great platform for me. I have no idea why that bothers you, but it's certainly as relevant as anything you put out there.

 

[DevNull0]

What price did you pay for High Sierra? It was a free upgrade. There's no cost to the software and there's no guarantee that it will be bug-free. In fact we know it's impossible to have bug-free software. It doesn't exist.

First it isn't free, unless you can legally obtain a copy to use without buying a mac, you paid for high sierra when you bought your mac.

Second, the price you pay doesn't absolve Apple of damages caused by their software. Since when are damages limited to the price paid? If you pay $1 for a bag of lettuce and get E.Coli from it, are you saying the company's liability should be limited to $1? Of course not. If the mac electrocutes someone due a flawed design, their liability should be limited to the purchase price of the mac? Of course not.

Why do you think software is any different? In fact one of the reasons Linux was never able to overtake windows in the workplace is Linux doesn't have anyone to sue if something goes horribly wrong.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

First it isn't free, unless you can legally obtain a copy to use without buying a mac, you paid for high sierra when you bought your mac.

Second, the price you pay doesn't absolve Apple of damages caused by their software. Since when are damages limited to the price paid? If you pay $1 for a bag of lettuce and get E.Coli from it, are you saying the company's liability should be limited to $1? Of course not. If the mac electrocutes someone due a flawed design, their liability should be limited to the purchase price of the mac? Of course not.

Why do you think software is any different? In fact one of the reasons Linux was never able to overtake windows in the workplace is Linux doesn't have anyone to sue if something goes horribly wrong.

The price is free. If you received a free Mac from someone, you can get High Sierra at zero cost. That means it is free.

The end user license agreement is what you're missing. There are no guarantees made and you agree to those terms.

Your claim of damages isn't going anywhere. If you're so confident in such, file a lawsuit and win. Go ahead. Prove your claim.

 

[DevNull0]

The price is free. If you received a free Mac from someone, you can get High Sierra at zero cost. That means it is free.

I'm sorry, but that is literally the stupidest thing I've read all year. Somebody paid for that Mac you were given therefore the HIgh Sierra upgrade was paid for. It's irrelevant to Apple if that purchase is transferred to someone else. Apple was paid for the product and that payment included upgrades.

Or are iPhones free too because if someone gives you an iPhone it was free

The end user license agreement is what you're missing. There are no guarantees made and you agree to those terms.

Right, the EULA that says if Apple didn't get paid for the software (included in the mac purchase price), you can't use it on the computer.

Your claim of damages isn't going anywhere. If you're so confident in such, file a lawsuit and win. Go ahead. Prove your claim.

Who said I want to claim damages in this case. Do you not believe that damages can exceed the purchase price of a product in general? If you do agree they can exceed the price, why even bring up how much you pay for High Sierra?

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

I'm sorry, but that is literally the stupidest thing I've read all year. Somebody paid for that Mac you were given therefore the HIgh Sierra upgrade was paid for. It's irrelevant to Apple if that purchase is transferred to someone else. Apple was paid for the product and that payment included upgrades.

Or are iPhones free too because if someone gives you an iPhone it was free

Right, the EULA that says if Apple didn't get paid for the software (included in the mac purchase price), you can't use it on the computer.

Who said I want to claim damages in this case. Do you not believe that damages can exceed the purchase price of a product in general? If you do agree they can exceed the price, why even bring up how much you pay for High Sierra?

Go ahead and read the EULA to see why you're so wrong on all of this. Enjoy!

 

[DevNull0]

Go ahead and read the EULA to see why you're so wrong on all of this. Enjoy!

You're avoiding the question. Do you believe liability for a product is limited to what you paid for the product, and if not, why did you even mention that High Sierra is "free"?

The US Supreme Court just ruled this week that EULA != Law.

 

[hlfway2anywhere]

Too late, already seems to be happening. :\

Well played haha

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

You're avoiding the question. Do you believe liability for a product is limited to what you paid for the product, and if not, why did you even mention that High Sierra is "free"?

The US Supreme Court just ruled this week that EULA != Law.

I never said liability is tied to the price paid. That's not the case at all. My point was that they're not liable in the case of this password issue.

 

[iamtheonlyone4ever]

I just tested and the bug works full in effect, I thought after the supplemental update that my computer was going to be a bit more secure but apple is the new Microsoft, they fixed something then break something else, another password vulnerability, remember the one from disk utility, soon macs will no longer have or need password they will come ready for a$$ id
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Since you are asking:

this where I lost my respect and admiration for that man, I don't know if Tim put pressure on him to do that, but I rather get fired but doing something like that , totally ridiculous , this why get are getting all these bugs lately, this people spend their time playing and reinventing the emoji
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THIS WILL BE THE END OF THE WORLD!

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO APPLE LATELY!? IF SOMEONE HAD ACCESS TO MY MACHINE THEY COULD CHANGE A COUPLE FAIRLY MEANINGLESS APP STORE PREFERENCES!!!!

you should be a good lawyer but trying to minimized things some times doesn't work, while it might not be important for you it doesn't mean is not important for others, if I tell a judge I only stole a soda is not like I robbed a bank
yes but is still a felony it doesn't matter how much you stole, the only thing that matters is that you did something wrong
the point is that apple did something wrong, same thing with the encrypted password in disk utility, we trust apple to protect us, yes we also have to protect ourselves. I love apple as much as you do but is not good to defend them when they do this kind of things, it might be all right if they only do it one time or every once in a while but they are constantly doing it lately over and over again. totally unacceptable even under windows standards

 

[fivenotrump]

Flash forward to WWDC 2018...Tim Cook: "People are loving High Sierra and are saying it's the greatest release of macOS ever!"

I concur: it is

 

[iamtheonlyone4ever]

I concur: it is

instead of calling it High Sierra they should have named it Drunk Sierra

 

[halluxsinister]

What price did you pay for High Sierra? It was a free upgrade. There's no cost to the software and there's no guarantee that it will be bug-free. In fact we know it's impossible to have bug-free software. It doesn't exist.

Um,))))))

What price did you pay for High Sierra? It was a free upgrade. There's no cost to the software and there's no guarantee that it will be bug-free. In fact we know it's impossible to have bug-free software. It doesn't exist.

You are mistaken, sir. It was NOT a free upgrade. I *PAID* for it when I bought my new iMac that came WITH it, just as I paid for the power supply inside, the keyboard, the mains cable, the styrofoam, etc., etc., etc.

So while I don’t know about what laws there are where YOU live, where I LIVE, the law *prohibits* selling, or even attempting to sell junk, meaning that which is unfit for use; you cannot legally say “no warranty...” HERE, with regard to merchantability or fitness for a given use, etc.

That’s why statements DISCLAIMING warranties generally include language like, “EXCEPT WHERE FORBIDDEN BY LAW, no warranty is made...” blah blah blah.

I try to be polite here, but you are assuming quite a lot, and frankly, you’re talking out of your ass.

Even were the upgrade “free” as you say, that doesn’t matter. They still have duties and obligations, which they can’t simply evade the way they’ve been evading their CORPORATE TAXES, which I hope they have to pay each and every last goddamned penny of, with penalties AND interest, and that those real, live, flesh and blood humans RESPONSIBLE for the evasion go to PRISON for a very long time. You know... justice.

 

[DailySlow]

Yup again - phony name and (of course) real login both work - tested and phony name doesn't persist!

 

[AgentAnonymous]

One more reason I chose to leave macOS in 2017. iOS is a much better platform for me moving forward. Has everything I need and a bright future ahead. We need a ground up rework of macOS - based on iOS.

You can't "leave macOS for iOS". They're different platforms designed for different things. iOS is designed for cellphones and tablets, and is dumbed down/simplified to work with slow imprecise fingers as the sole method of input.

 

[Naimfan]

Certainly seems that High Sierra has been the lowest quality OS release in the OSX family . . .

 

[DNichter]

You can't "leave macOS for iOS". They're different platforms designed for different things. iOS is designed for cellphones and tablets, and is dumbed down/simplified to work with slow imprecise fingers as the sole method of input.

Of course I can, I did in 2017. I rely solely on my iPad Pro and iPhone X for work and personal use. The transition has been really smooth and I am more productive/collaborative with my team. Believe it or not, there are careers out there that don't need the same software as you do. Open your eyes a bit.

 

[Phonephreak]

What price did you pay for High Sierra? It was a free upgrade. There's no cost to the software and there's no guarantee that it will be bug-free. In fact we know it's impossible to have bug-free software. It doesn't exist.

So security is a bug now. Pretty low expections.

 

[neversink]

What price did you pay for High Sierra? It was a free upgrade. There's no cost to the software and there's no guarantee that it will be bug-free. In fact we know it's impossible to have bug-free software. It doesn't exist.

Of course there is a cost to the software. It's included in the price you pay for your computer. Do your really think it is "free."

Secondly, this is not a minor bug. This is a major security issue.

Do you really you want people to get into your account without your permission and access your private info and your credit card?

I find it hard to believe that there is anyone out there who can make excuses for this egregious lack of testing.

 

[themastermind]

The jerks are out in full force in this thread. Why can't people debate and give opinions without getting an attitude and being rude jerks? I'm beginning to think the real bug is the humans using the software, not the software itself. Geez.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

Of course there is a cost to the software. It's included in the price you pay for your computer. Do your really think it is "free."

Secondly, this is not a minor bug. This is a major security issue.

Do you really you want people to get into your account without your permission and access your private info and your credit card?

I find it hard to believe that there is anyone out there who can make excuses for this egregious lack of testing.

This bug doesn't allow people to get into your private information or get your credit card numbers. It allows them to change a couple worthless preferences and that's it. Quit making it out to be bigger than it is.

They also have to have access to a logged in admin account which is a MUCH bigger security issue than this bug poses.

This is like giving someone the keys to your house and worrying they may re-arrange the bathroom towels. It's the least of your problems if they have full access to your home.