Oh, I get what he is saying alright
That is nothing new
The board is littered with threads that make the same tired arguments
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Oh, I get what he is saying alright
That is nothing new
The board is littered with threads that make the same tired arguments
Woof, Woof - Dawg
People keep telling me that Macs are more expensive and I did believe them for some time (not that it mattered ).
But I figured... no vendor provides processors as upscale as Apple does
Mac Software is much cheaper than Windows (for starters... I only need spending $130 for a new brilliant OS rather than $300 for a half baked bug ridden OS)
I can spend more for a warranty and service that works seamlessly rather than having to plead for it!
Macs are simply more productive than a Win PC can ever be!
).But I figured... no vendor provides processors as upscale as Apple does
Mac Software is much cheaper than Windows (for starters... I only need spending $130 for a new brilliant OS rather than $300 for a half baked bug ridden OS)
I can spend more for a warranty and service that works seamlessly rather than having to plead for it!
Macs are simply more productive than a Win PC can ever be!
Certainly MacDawg gets which you and dwl017 are saying. You are hardly the first to say it.
I'm sorry but the higher cost of a an Apple computer running OSX is worth it. The time I spend making sure my windows box runs smoothly is more valuable to me than the cost of a new macbook pro, macbook, imac, or macpro. in other words, he premium is in my time, which I value too much.
Let's get some facts on the table so we can clear up the mess.
Pc manufacturers sell their low-end stuff with very low profit margins, they are willing to sell at a low price but sell a lot at the same time.
They can put in big hard drives, lots of features, sell it real cheap, and consumer will pounce on it.
Think Walmart, but with computers.
I'm not saying it's bad at all, I use a Mac for video, and I happened to have gotten hooked on it.
Apple's profit margin is around 35%...If i do the numbers right, they could sell the MacBook for $700, but with no profit. Tack on 10-15%, it's around $800 for a MacBook if a PC manufacturer were to sell it. With the processors in the MacBook and the fact that it is a Mac, it would sell like hotcakes.
Don't quote me on the above paragraph, I may have been talking out of my ass. But yeah, Apple makes a big profit on all their products, a lot of companies are jealous of how they can turn such monster numbers each year. Apple is willing to make a lot of $$ rather then get millions of potential customers.
Pc manufacturers sell their low-end stuff with very low profit margins, they are willing to sell at a low price but sell a lot at the same time.
They can put in big hard drives, lots of features, sell it real cheap, and consumer will pounce on it.
Think Walmart, but with computers.
I'm not saying it's bad at all, I use a Mac for video, and I happened to have gotten hooked on it.
Apple's profit margin is around 35%...If i do the numbers right, they could sell the MacBook for $700, but with no profit. Tack on 10-15%, it's around $800 for a MacBook if a PC manufacturer were to sell it. With the processors in the MacBook and the fact that it is a Mac, it would sell like hotcakes.
Don't quote me on the above paragraph, I may have been talking out of my ass. But yeah, Apple makes a big profit on all their products, a lot of companies are jealous of how they can turn such monster numbers each year. Apple is willing to make a lot of $$ rather then get millions of potential customers.
Meh... who cares what their aim is.... (stockholders an exception). I just want them to make great products which we can buy
And to be serious... I really dont care what their Marketshare is or if its growing or declining.... as long as hey make such brilliant products, Im sticking to them!
Sorry but I firmly believe since moving to intel the quality of mb's and mbp's have degraded. More and more issues that may not be related to intel processors, but seems to be an issue since they moved to said technology.Meh... who cares what their aim is.... (stockholders an exception). I just want them to make great products which we can buy
And to be serious... I really dont care what their Marketshare is or if its growing or declining.... as long as hey make such brilliant products, Im sticking to them!
I love apple products but I am not so blind as to see their quality degrade.
You think so..... I think the only thing that actually has degraded is their service (which is still alot better than others out there!)
And even if it has.... Im sure you'll still agree, since this thread's about Apple v/s others, that its way better than other vendors! Personally, using aluminum all day long, Ive started detesting the cheap plastic that Dell uses!
What do you mean? Apple uses the same processors in their laptops as everyone else (ignore AMD since that really doesn't matter). How are they more "upscale?" Additionally, Apple is one of the few laptop manufactures who doesn't offer the top of the line mobile processor from Intel in their laptops.
As for cost, it is a significant factor for college students. I see three brackets. The first is the cheap route (Apple doesn't compete here). That's bargain basement, low-end stuff everyone other than Apple loves to sell. The second is the mid-range route. This is where Apple, et al. compete. The third is the high-end route. This is where the top of the line mobile processors come into play, where the massive screens come into play, where the workstation graphics come into play, etc.
Apple seems to be missing the first and third. The first is a huge marketshare. The third, not so much.
As mentioned above, its about money. Much of Apples laptop sales can be attributed a bit to the iPod perhaps...but MOSTLY because of the Intel processor. The truth is a lot of people have went with the Mac option because it lets them run Windows. For the longest time, Intel chips were considered inferior (x86 vs. PPC, CISC vs. RISC, etc.). But Intel dominated because of Windows support.
You're not kidding. I mean, take a look at this computer...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834101154
You can reasonably say that it's pretty near a high-end "gaming class machine", except the processor is a little weaker. So let's say it's second-third tier. And it costs less than ANY macbook.
Find me a non Apple laptop running 2.4 GHz under $1200 and I'll accept defeat! Also, It should ship with atleast Vista Home Premium (no DOS) and 2GB of memory!
P.S.: Im a college student myself! While I keep away from anything $2500+ but that definitely doesnt mean I cant afford ~$1500 to ~2000. Of course I'll have to save as hell and cut down a lot! My parents are also helpful
I suspect the slight July uptick for windows might be due to the beginning of a new fiscal year -- since most companies use PCs, this would affect their marketshare more than Mac. My guess is that we'll see more Mac gains in August/September in the back-to-school period that favors Mac.
Find me a non Apple laptop running 2.4 GHz under $1200 and I'll accept defeat! Also, It should ship with atleast Vista Home Premium (no DOS) and 2GB of memory!
P.S.: Im a college student myself! While I keep away from anything $2500+ but that definitely doesnt mean I cant afford ~$1500 to ~2000. Of course I'll have to save as hell and cut down a lot! My parents are also helpful
Does this count? Anyway I think for Vista, the order of importance is RAM, Video Card, then Processor. But of course depends on your normal usage.
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Excellent.... now tell me, given a choice, would you buy one of those or a MacBook and state your reason why?
I think this should really end it all!
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I love the sweet smell of victory!
Lol.... that was a trap
Bow down and take your beating like a man!
I love the sweet smell of victory in the air!
Bow down and take your beating like a man!
You answer my question and we'll see about it!
You answer my question and we'll see about it!
Hey...you can't sqirm away! Even the HP one is higher than the 17" Macbook Pro and is sub $1,000. You asked for it, Man!
I honestly don't care about marketshare or if anyone else buys a Mac
Their loss
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My sentiments exactly. Mine works great, that's all that matters to me. I liked it better when Apple was less popular, honestly.
And how often do you use all those whiz bang ports? I've never understood the need for card readers, how is using a usb cable directly to the camera any more complicated?
Don't jump before you look...I love the sweet smell of victory!
XYZ PC computer costs 1,000.
Mac computer costs 2,000 or whatever.
You can compare all the specs that you want. Which in reality don't mean much because the specs change so fast in the business, what is the best today, is old tomorrow. So I look at total cost of ownership -- my time included which I value at $100 per hour.
PC runs Windows.
Mac runs OS X, and if I need to, it will run Windows XP/Vista (natively), or almost every operating PC operating system out there via VMware or Parallels.
Generally, Macs take less work to setup and maintain. Currently there are no virus/Trojans/Worms in the wild for the Mac OS. I don't have to waste time or money on AV apps that slow my system down.
Design wise, Macs are sleek and work well. PCs vary depending on the manufacturer. Those of us who have been around the PC industry for 20 plus years, can really see the change here.
Experience has shown me that I will spend more time maintaining my PC than a Mac. Let's say that it takes me 20 hours per year of updating the OS, virus definitions, registry work, etc. For me, that cost is $2,000 and pretty much negates any price difference in the two systems. Total cost of ownership makes a difference.
With VMware, I can backup and restore Windows much easier and faster than I can on a PC using apps like Ghost. VMware almost makes me feel like I am cheating as it is so easy to use.
Anyhow, an Apple computer runs the Mac OS, provides me more options, and comes with iLife, I can run iWork, and I save my time (and $) that it takes to maintain a PC. So for me, a Mac is the better option.
1) Don't make decisions based on marketshare.
2) They are hugely inaccurate those 'hits links'. They have as much credence as the Mojave Experiment.
3) People don't buy machines on specifications - if they do purchase them on that one criteria then they deserve all the pain, suffering and missery that comes with putting hardware specifications above looking at the complete package.
Heck, I continued choosing Mac even after Intel well and truly showed it was producing faster chips than the PowerPC world - why? because I value my productivity thanks to MacOS X. Yes, MacOS X to me is that valuable given the 18months of hell I had with Windows Vista (and trying out various flavours of *NIX).
Expand the timeframe to 24 months and you'll see that last July there was also a dip off the June high, from 6.03% to 5.99%. It should be remembered though that without total figures of hits these percentages month to month aren't worth much, which is why the trend over 12 month periods is far more important.
The figures also have nothing to do with sales. It doesn't denote a fall in new Mac sales nor a rise in sales for Windows. For all we know it's completely down to students leaving their Mac-using universities for the summer and getting temp jobs in Windows-using offices. Not saying that's actually the case of course, but it's one possibility of many.
Without total hit numbers we have no idea.
The figures also have nothing to do with sales. It doesn't denote a fall in new Mac sales nor a rise in sales for Windows. For all we know it's completely down to students leaving their Mac-using universities for the summer and getting temp jobs in Windows-using offices. Not saying that's actually the case of course, but it's one possibility of many.
Without total hit numbers we have no idea.