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MacOS loosing marketshare...
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Or...it could be attributed to Vista's SP1. They did announce that 180 million sales recently so perhaps the jump had to do with the more faith after the SP1 release...
See...when it comes to networking applications, marketshare does count.
Anyhow, an Apple computer runs the Mac OS, provides me more options, and comes with iLife, I can run iWork, and I save my time (and $) that it takes to maintain a PC. So for me, a Mac is the better option.
See...when it comes to networking applications, marketshare does count.
I'd rather look at statistics about browser market share. See how Firefox 3 is doing.
You mean Safari? Firefox doesn't have anything to do with Macs.
Hey...you can't sqirm away! Even the HP one is higher than the 17" Macbook Pro and is sub $1,000. You asked for it, Man!
What you don't seem to understand is... you can get the latest ACME computer, using newly released XYZ video card, running a blazing XXX nanoseconds and a billion terabyte HD with cool games and gadgets for a mere $2, and in the end... it STILL runs Windows
Now if that is what you want... knock yourself out, nobody has an issue with you
Most people here wanted a Mac and OSX for all of the reasons already stated... and they were willing to pay for it... why does that bother you so much?
Woof, Woof - Dawg
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It really is this simple...why do so many people insist on arguing it?
What you don't seem to understand is... you can get the latest ACME computer, using newly released XYZ video card, running a blazing XXX nanoseconds and a billion terabyte HD with cool games and gadgets for a mere $2, and in the end... it STILL runs Windows
Now if that is what you want... knock yourself out, nobody has an issue with you
Most people here wanted a Mac and OSX for all of the reasons already stated... and they were willing to pay for it... why does that bother you so much?
Woof, Woof - Dawg
It really is this simple...why do so many people insist on arguing it?
You have a good point there. Now what if you take it a step further see it from another buyers viewpoint where they see an option to spend the same $2,000 on a PC that is twice as powerful. They can say
OK sometimes they have to run virus software, but now they can load faster and work faster and multitask more.
Thats no exaggeration I mean we have proved that we can find equivalent laptops for less than half the price now. This margin will only increase assuming Apple doesnt slash tickets too. If you go onto the Desktop arena its even larger.
Please... go buy one... you have our permission
We may even take up a collection
Woof, Woof - Dawg
I'd rather look at statistics about browser market share. See how Firefox 3 is doing.
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What you don't seem to understand is... you can get the latest ACME computer, using newly released XYZ video card, running a blazing XXX nanoseconds and a billion terabyte HD with cool games and gadgets for a mere $2, and in the end... it STILL runs Windows
Now if that is what you want... knock yourself out, nobody has an issue with you
Most people here wanted a Mac and OSX for all of the reasons already stated... and they were willing to pay for it... why does that bother you so much?
Woof, Woof - Dawg
Perhaps youre right but were not talking about most people here. What we are talking about is most people out there. And you cant deny the fact that they look at price (in addition to Mac/Windows/video cards). So at what point do you switch. If a Mac costs 2x more? 3x more? 5x more??? Heck maybe you would go 10x more! But I doubt that would apply to even most people here.
Again, I care not what most people out there do, let them buy Windows PCs
Most people out there use Windows already and don't know what they are missing
Their loss
Apple will charge what the market will bear, and I will continue to pay it until the Mac OSX experience falls substantially below the Windows experience. I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
Woof, Woof - Dawg
ANY OS's worth is dependent on each user's needs and wants. OS X is worth a LOT to me for what it does for me. I don't care what the rest of the world thinks of it; I didn't buy it for anyone else. I don't care how many others buy Macs or Dells or Windows or Adobe products..... what other people like, don't like, buy or don't buy has NO affect whatsoever on my choices. I'm not one to follow the crowd. I do my own research and make my own decisions and buy what works for me, at prices that I deem fair. Everything else is meaningless gossip.
Hey, if said person wants to by a computer for less then 1K. Let them. If said person wants to by an apple computer for 2K, let them. Why does it bother you so much that people on a Mac forum like Mac computers. Are you having a tough time wrapping your head around that? Really what do you want to hear from us?
Wow I can go get a PC running the latests and greatest windows, will all the ram it can handle and hard drive double the size.
If that is what YOU want by all means go get it. Please go get it. Run don't walk.
Now for the rest of us who us a Mac let us be happy knowing we spent a tad more money for a computer that delivers what we want.
So this doesn't apply to all the people on the Mac forums who are running Mac machines? Considering a lot of people here did pay more then most windows based machines. Most probably did pay 2,3,4x 's as much. 10x, that I doubt. But there are probably some people on this board that have Mac Pros decked to the hilt.
Wow I can go get a PC running the latests and greatest windows, will all the ram it can handle and hard drive double the size.
If that is what YOU want by all means go get it. Please go get it. Run don't walk.
Now for the rest of us who us a Mac let us be happy knowing we spent a tad more money for a computer that delivers what we want.
So this doesn't apply to all the people on the Mac forums who are running Mac machines? Considering a lot of people here did pay more then most windows based machines. Most probably did pay 2,3,4x 's as much. 10x, that I doubt. But there are probably some people on this board that have Mac Pros decked to the hilt.
Not a problem to me. I like where Apple is right now, and feel privileged to be able to use them. HP (Dell, Sony, & Gateway included) may have a cheaper computer, but it doesn't come with a proper restore disk, and to keep that price subsidized down like that HP has loaded every computer (aside from the business class) with tons of "ad apps" if you; crapware. Apple only comes with a trial of two different office suites: something you will indeed need.
Also, I don't buy laptops with AMD inside, I'm sorry. I've had three AMD based laptops and they all had major performance issues. Horrible management of power and heat, plus on battery life the OS in general is choppy. It's unfortunate that AMD is still so prevalent in laptops. However, I will say I have had good experiences all around with there desktop processors . Oh well.
And that's not to say Vista is such a bad OS, I actually like it. It's pretty, fast, and gets the job done, especially with games. OSX is just my choice for "normal" computing.
Also, I don't buy laptops with AMD inside, I'm sorry. I've had three AMD based laptops and they all had major performance issues. Horrible management of power and heat, plus on battery life the OS in general is choppy. It's unfortunate that AMD is still so prevalent in laptops. However, I will say I have had good experiences all around with there desktop processors . Oh well.
And that's not to say Vista is such a bad OS, I actually like it. It's pretty, fast, and gets the job done, especially with games. OSX is just my choice for "normal" computing.
You mean Safari? Firefox doesn't have anything to do with Macs.
safari is on windows too you know....
also, why do you think you are bringing up some unique argument about pc vs mac that has never been argued before? it has been discussed many times over and frankly its old and tiring..
You mean Safari? Firefox doesn't have anything to do with Macs.
....other than the fact it's one of the most popular browsers on Macs!
To those moaning about so-called 'performance', may I suggest you take a leaf out of a Sun Engineers quotation:
"If I am going to run benchmarks all day, then maybe that is the best machine for the job"
People have this fixation on performance. The average end user doesn't care about performance, they just want their computer to work and do what is required. There is bugger all difference between my iMac, and a friends PC monstrosity with all the latest mod-cons.
The only time you really notice the difference is playing things that really stress the computer power; but how many average end users are going to run Crysis or do major video editing? Apple is on the right path, play down the specifications and market what an end user can use their Mac for.
As for those who go on about PC's with higher specifications - yes, there are some wonderful laptops and desktops out there; heck, I was looking at a Lenovo X200 a few minutes ago. Beautiful laptop - only downside? it runs Windows. Windows is the only viable option on the generic x86 world (*NIX is a joke by virtue the lack of applications and hardware support) and quite frankly, I'm not going to subject myself to the torture of using Windows Vista again (having used it for 18months) simply so that I can get 'higher specifications.
"If I am going to run benchmarks all day, then maybe that is the best machine for the job"
People have this fixation on performance. The average end user doesn't care about performance, they just want their computer to work and do what is required. There is bugger all difference between my iMac, and a friends PC monstrosity with all the latest mod-cons.
The only time you really notice the difference is playing things that really stress the computer power; but how many average end users are going to run Crysis or do major video editing? Apple is on the right path, play down the specifications and market what an end user can use their Mac for.
As for those who go on about PC's with higher specifications - yes, there are some wonderful laptops and desktops out there; heck, I was looking at a Lenovo X200 a few minutes ago. Beautiful laptop - only downside? it runs Windows. Windows is the only viable option on the generic x86 world (*NIX is a joke by virtue the lack of applications and hardware support) and quite frankly, I'm not going to subject myself to the torture of using Windows Vista again (having used it for 18months) simply so that I can get 'higher specifications.
For example?
What I am looking for is any networking application that won't work on the Mac via Bootcamp or using VMware/Parallels.
True. Just don't try to convince us we need to change. Most of us are happy with what we have.
Why do some people keep pushing on doors marked pull?
Actually, you have only suggested this.
You have not posted benchmarks showing this. What I am getting at, if you are talking performance, is specs don't always tell the whole story.
Hey, I might even chip in a dollar.
As someone who uses both platforms, I find it interesting when PC folks bash the Mac when they have never tried the platform.
Both platforms have their benefits. But now with the Mac being able to run Windows via Bootcamp or VMware/Parallels, the Mac is becoming a much better solution it seems.
Well put.
And if you are really interested in the latest and greatest, then you will end up spending way more with a PC. The reason. Simple. You will be constantly upgrading the hardware. Things like CPU, MoBo, HDs, RAM, cooling (for overclocking when possible), etc. Note, I am not saying there is anything wrong with this. I used to do it a few years ago. But it does make your PC very expensive over time.