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macOS Monterey 12.3 Update Bricking Macs That Have Had Logic Board Replacements
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I feel for the ones involved. It's bad enough they've had to have their Logic Board replaced in the first place - but now face this.
I have my auto-updated switched off for this exact reason. I won't update for weeks until I know it is safe. Had too many issues to trust Apple with these repeated issues.
I have my auto-updated switched off for this exact reason. I won't update for weeks until I know it is safe. Had too many issues to trust Apple with these repeated issues.
I don't, actually. However, I also have never had an issue with an update in the 15 years I've been using Apple products as my primary devices.
I do understand that reading forums like these is an extremely narrow world view, so every article claiming that an update is bricking or damaging machines is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of all machines out there.
The bugs I see are minor graphical glitches more than anything; annoying, but never game-breaking.
We can only assume Apple already factored-in this inevitable side-effect of making a completely irreparable machine and decided it will affect so few computers that it will be of little consequence. We'll see how this pans out. My 2012 MPB non-retina is still soldiering on at ten years old, on its third battery and second HDD cable, my iMac is even older and has had a graphics card replacement...wonder how these new completely irreparable wonder-machines will compare in ten years.
Not sure what happened but this update failed concurrently on two of my Macs, neither with LB replacements.
One, my personal MacBook — 16" 2021 M1 Max. The other, my work MBP, 13" 2018 Intel (4 port).
Started upgrade of both at the same time, made dinner, came back, both stuck on the Apple progress bar screen. No movement after one additional hour, no time estimate. Hard reboot of both, same issue.
Followed Apple's guidelines:
- Boot into recovery, disk check, reboot. Failed.
- Boot into recovery, reinstall. Reinstall failed.
- Boot into external drive with macOS 12.3 installer. Reinstall failed.
- Revive firmware from other Mac. Reinstall macOS. Reinstall failed.
Only resolve I had for both machines was to nuke via the DFU "Restore" method. Luckily had Time Machine backups for both from that day.
No idea what went wrong and why both failed.
One, my personal MacBook — 16" 2021 M1 Max. The other, my work MBP, 13" 2018 Intel (4 port).
Started upgrade of both at the same time, made dinner, came back, both stuck on the Apple progress bar screen. No movement after one additional hour, no time estimate. Hard reboot of both, same issue.
Followed Apple's guidelines:
- Boot into recovery, disk check, reboot. Failed.
- Boot into recovery, reinstall. Reinstall failed.
- Boot into external drive with macOS 12.3 installer. Reinstall failed.
- Revive firmware from other Mac. Reinstall macOS. Reinstall failed.
Only resolve I had for both machines was to nuke via the DFU "Restore" method. Luckily had Time Machine backups for both from that day.
No idea what went wrong and why both failed.
Have fun with your pile of glaring security vulnerabilities.
MobileMe? Or even iCloud for that matter? Admittedly a lot of went hopelessly wrong with iCloud is developer-facing rather than user-facing, but even still, it's pretty bad.
I think it's something about the kind of DNA that companies have - Apple are brilliant at certain things and a little bit rubbish at others. Same for all the other successful companies, except that they all have different blends of skill and incompetence.
In spite of Steve's 2007 claim that Apple really cares about software, and makes its own hardware for that reason primarily, I don't think Apple has ever been a software company - old Mac OS was lovely when it worked, but it was also a technical dinosaur that crashed beautifully and spectacularly. Years of investment in a rewrite ended in the whole thing being thrown in the bin.
Also, looking at the currently available implementation in their own software, Apple doesn't seem to like or care about automated testing. Swift has the worst unit testing tools of any modern language I know of, and currently in some setups, every single time a test fails Xcode adds 5 seconds to the test run just to keep you in suspense.
Apple themselves use Xcode just as us lowly external developers do, so if they're waiting 5 seconds for something that should take 0.01 seconds repeatedly, ad nauseam, and still tolerating it rather than fixing it, how many such tests do you suppose they're running and how often?
You know, when tests don't work properly or take an age to maintain and run, devs tend to just switch them off completely. And then what do you get?
Anyway, I don't think Apple's software quality is decreasing. I think the quality is staying exactly the same, and the complexity is constantly increasing. There's just more and more and more to go wrong. And it does. If you want to produce something increasingly complex that performs no worse over time, you need to increase quality continuously.
What my takeaway is WHY did Apple replace Logic Board on a high end MBP during the first year?
I cannot help but think that things have gone downhill, since everyone was working from home!! time for everyone to return to that shiny new campus
Scottie
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No issues upgrading a late iMac 2014 with logic board replaced to 12.3 using OpenCore
Well, try googling "SOCD report detected: (AP watchdog expired)" ...
Unfortunately my MBP 14” 2021 has this issue. Logic board was replaced as I spilled coffee over the brand new laptop. Upgrading to 12.3 bricked it and a revive or restore with my other Mac did not work. Apple care said that I had to bring it to the Apple store and there I got the message that they also couldn’t fix it. It is now gone for 2 days and they said is it send to a dedicated service center somewhere. No news when it’s going to be repaired ?
I've been trying to get attention for this issue since I had the issue on Monday night so very happy to see it finally be reported!
I wondered if there are actually a few people who had replacement logic boards during manufacture, maybe they failed the initial tests so they were replaced at factory before being shipped?
Apple took my Mac in today at the store and are investigating what they can do to get it updatable!
From what I've seen from other people with the issue, it's either customer damage, or things like faulty ports. The HDMI ports are still solders on the board - that was my case, my Mac came with a bent HDMI pin.
It's not your imagination. It has plummeted so far that they are unrecognizable as Apple to someone who has been with them for a long time.
Can't help but notice how this dramatic decline in quality has paralleled the rise in questionable hiring practices at the company.
I somewhat do the same thing. After the release of Lion a decade ago, I've always been a couple OS updates behind just because I don't want crap to happen. I'm on Mojave on my Mini and it'll probably stay there forever.
Why does it say it BRICKS the system, but then says that you can just reinstall 12.2.1 and be back up and running?
It's unfortunate the OS update is broke, but it doesn't brick the system.
It's unfortunate the OS update is broke, but it doesn't brick the system.
SECURITY ahahahhahah! Where do u work? In a big IT company, in a bank, or in the goverment???
We have blocked your account for YOUR SECURITY
We have frozen your funds for YOUR SECURITY
We are checking your luggage and your a.s for YOUR SECURITY
Please update your device for YOUR SECURITY
i can continue until tomorrow.
Wake up sheep! When you spot the word "security", remember, IT'S ANYTHING BUT YOUR SECURITY
I'm curious to know which versions of Windows. Windows 10 is vastly more stable than macOS Monterey.
What’s a handful of devices in a production run of millions?
Nothing is ever perfect. There’s always going to be a few bad units in any production run.
First of all the reason i don't update aren't the bad news about updates. In fact, every new update fixes previous ones so the normal behaviour is, like i did for a whole life: updating, updating, updating.
I stopped do it for reasons, irrilevant for most people. Most recent issues i had was on catalina: every new update caused my NFS server stopped working and every time i had to spend a whole day (or days) to find a way to fix it. So after i fixed it for 3rd time, i said "enough"!
Another issue caused by updates is the removing of features you used to use for an entire life, until they suddenly disappears.
Examples
Internet radio on itunes: GONE!
Download and syncing iphone apps from itunes: GONE!
Dashboard with tons of useful widgets: GONE! and here the funny part: on catalina, dashboard was replaced with interactive widgets on the "side-bar" (dont remember name) so i spent months to find same widgets i had before, some of them wasn't free. Then, in big sur, those widgets are no longer interactive, and now widgets are completely dead!
Resuming, updates caused me more trouble than benefits, and i mean not only apple devices
I’m pretty sure it’s not your imagination. I’ve never been more frustrated with Apple products than I have been the last few years, and I have the whole ecosystem. And we just learned that they can’t even launch a monitor, one of the simplest products to engineer, without screwing it up.