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macOS Sequoia 15.3 and iOS 18.3 Enable Apple Intelligence Automatically

Andres Cantu said:
Let me elaborate then. The more Apple can show that users are using Apple Intelligence, the more they can claim their AI is catching on. And we all know how the markets have been feeling about AI this decade. Stock will go = $
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They can do this no matter what, since iOS has had features that are technically “AI” for years and years has it not?
Just because it has a fancy new label on it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s actually new.
This was the big problem with actually calling a new suite of features “AI”, it creates all this completely unnecessary fear.

If the “proof read” button was added to like, macOS Mojave or something as just a new feature being added to the operating system, no one would care if it was on or off.
But because it has a stupid name attached to it must be big and bad and scary.
 
Mr_Ed said:
Serious questions:
  1. Since it’s enabled upon upgrade, does it immediately start indexing/looking for data to link together for AI purposes upon post-install restart?
  2. If I turn it off, do we know how much is offloaded? How much of the resources used by AI, if any, do we get back?
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Most of the AI stuff is on device, the stuff that isn't is based on requests you make and are sent to private cloud for processing. It asks you before it send anything to a third party for processing.
 
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Evelyn Harthbrooke said:
Except Apple Intelligence is all done on device pretty much with the exception of very limited use cases where it has to communicate with Apple’s cloud servers or ChatGPT, and even then all the data is anonymized. Putting fear in people’s minds is not how you approach this. Apple is not Microsoft. They literally do not sell your data, so, you aren’t really making any sense.
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It amazes me how many people have no idea how Apple's AI stuff works.
 
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darkus said:
Is there a chance apple is being paid to do this? It gives LLMs learning on a scale not imagined before.
It should be worth a TON of money. Perhaps in the way google pays apple to be the default search engine

*if* so, then that would represent apple data harvesting us, which would be a first for apple
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Seems like conspiratorial nonsense to me.
The scenario you lay out here basically means that Apple is lying to all of their customers on a massive scale, and putting themselves right in the path to billions of dollars in losses.
Back in reality, though, most of Apple Intelligence is completely on device and what isn’t on device is encrypted and completely anonymized and if it isn’t, then they have a lot of explaining to do.
That would be a massive breach in trust.
 
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Soonerpet said:
CarPlay is not dependent on Siri. I have had Siri disabled on my phone for years yet I use CarPlay daily.
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It changed somewhere. When I plug my phone in, a notice pops up on CarPlay saying "please enable Siri to use CarPlay". Originally I didn't have to.

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Lounge vibes 05 said:
They can do this no matter what, since iOS has had features that are technically “AI” for years and years has it not?
Just because it has a fancy new label on it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s actually new.
This was the big problem with actually calling a new suite of features “AI”, it creates all this completely unnecessary fear.

If the “proof read” button was added to like, macOS Mojave or something as just a new feature being added to the operating system, no one would care if it was on or off.
But because it has a stupid name attached to it must be big and bad and scary.
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I agree with you 100%, but that's not how the market sees it. All they care about is AI, AI, AI and the more obvious the AI is and more users sign up, the more their stock has a chance of going up.
 
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So basically a shed load of bloatware is now forcibly installed on our devices. Great. When we turn it off will crap like Image Playground and the 5-7GB of data be removed from our devices then?

Really am getting sick of Apple. Love the hardware, but man the software has become complete garbage.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
Realizing you need to spend a lot of money on new hardware because you believed the fans who passionately argued that 8GB was plenty for just about everyone right up until Apple finally moved on (curiously, I've seen none of them now bashing Apple for forcing "too much" RAM into all new Macs). ;)

But you probably mean for us customers. I would say ask AI Siri to summarize the list but she still says: "I don't know what you mean by good uses cases for AI, here's what I found on the web..." ;)
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I'm going a bit off-track, but I disagree about needing new hardware. The fans arguing that 8GB was plenty or equivalent to 16GB in another machine were silly, but some people really are fine with 8GB. Heck, a good amount can be done with even 4GB if you're conscious about memory usage enough. Example would be people who just check email, browse the internet, and maybe a little word processing. Stuff that could technically be done on an iPad or Chromebook, which both have either 4 or 6 GB of RAM typically.
 
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BuddyRich said:
I hope they let the downloaded AI models be removable.

Currently they cannot be removed if you enabled AI in the first place. The models are stored locally stored and do take up 3-7GB of storage. Once the setting is enabled the storage can't be removed, even if AI is disabled.

You can see the amount of storage AI is using listed under Settings in Storage... I would also imagine not using it would free up a lot of RAM for other tasks, as that was a big thing getting 16GB base into Macs, and requiring 8GB minimum on phones/ipads to use it in the first place. It loads the entire AI model into RAM to work so not using should free up RAM for other tasks.
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I had a chat with Apple Support about removing this as the space it was taking up was ridiculous. They didn't even know what I was talking about. 🤣
 
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BuddyRich said:
I hope they let the downloaded AI models be removable.

Currently they cannot be removed if you enabled AI in the first place. The models are stored locally stored and do take up 3-7GB of storage. Once the setting is enabled the storage can't be removed, even if AI is disabled.

You can see the amount of storage AI is using listed under Settings in Storage... I would also imagine not using it would free up a lot of RAM for other tasks, as that was a big thing getting 16GB base into Macs, and requiring 8GB minimum on phones/ipads to use it in the first place. It loads the entire AI model into RAM to work so not using should free up RAM for other tasks.
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It's taking up 4.84 GB space on my disk, and I have AI disabled! I am frugal with disk space and this is the main irritation for me -- I have no use case for AI currently, and it being there is just wasted storage.
 
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Andy_2341 said:
I'm going a bit off-track, but I disagree about needing new hardware. The fans arguing that 8GB was plenty or equivalent to 16GB in another machine were silly, but some people really are fine with 8GB. Heck, a good amount can be done with even 4GB if you're conscious about memory usage enough. Example would be people who just check email, browse the internet, and maybe a little word processing. Stuff that could technically be done on an iPad or Chromebook, which both have either 4 or 6 GB of RAM typically.
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You are right. However, them fans liked to spin "99%" in that argument... that 8GB was plenty for just about everyone but a 1% who actually needed more.

I think your group is bigger than a portion of the 1% that apparently remained. In fact, I would guess that to be a fairly sizable group... but FARRRRRRRRRR short of towards 99%. But I also bet a fair chunk of these people with 8GB Macs WILL want to use A.I. and find themselves overusing SWAP or not being able to use select things due to insufficient RAM.

Remedy: just add more RAM. Nope. It's toss out that relatively new Mac and replace it with an entire new Mac. Else live without anything that needs more than 8GB which may- in the not-too-distant future- be macOS itself when A.I. is made essential/required vs. optional.
 
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Soonerpet said:
CarPlay is not dependent on Siri. I have had Siri disabled on my phone for years yet I use CarPlay daily.
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Not while using my old iPhone XR or my current iPhone 16. If Siri is off on the phone and then I attach (my cars do NOT have wireless CarPlay capability) the phone to the car, I get a message on my car display that I have to turn on Siri to use CarPlay. I don’t have to use Siri but it has to be on.
 
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8667132 said:
Really am getting sick of Apple. Love the hardware, but man the software has become complete garbage.
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Very true, but there are no options. Microsoft is even worse, and less secure. Chrome is a spyware joke. Linux is cool as hell, but really it’s just for hobbyists. It won’t run a lot of things people need. Apple knows we have no options.
 
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August West said:
Guess this is another good reason to hang onto my iPhone 13 PM for a few more years.
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I really don’t understand how Apple changing the default (when you can still turn it off) is a reason to keep an older device? And I didn’t know that a settings toggle default changing overrode the reasoning of “well, it still works fine” in terms of keeping a device.

The criticisms in this thread over the default setting of a toggle being changed don’t make much sense.
 
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