I don't understand why people who have commented are so upset. Are the people upset mad that they can't spy on someone 24/7? It's 12 clicks a year lol.
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macOS Sequoia Will Require Users to Update Screen Recording App Permissions Monthly
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Pretty funny how many people think one click/month is excessive. How many times do you flush a toilet in a month? How many times do you click "no receipt" at a coffee shop?
I have no problem with once a month reminders. Just like my mortgage payment reminders.
I have no problem with once a month reminders. Just like my mortgage payment reminders.
It's one click a month per app. I just checked and I have 6 apps with this permission. That's six clicks per month for something that shouldn't even need one. I know how to use my computer, I don't need to be treated like a child.
With macOS Sequoia, Apple is requiring users to regularly reauthorize permissions for screen recording apps, a move that has not been popular with some Mac users. Popups for screen recording app permissions have been showing weekly up throughout the beta testing process, but Apple has tweaked the frequency in response to user feedback.
The latest macOS Sequoia beta prompts users to review their screen recording app permissions once a month, an update over the more frequent weekly popups. The prompt reminds users that screen recording apps have access to their screens and audio.
When the popup shows up, there's now an option to "Allow For One Month" to let the app function as normal, or to open System Settings to get to the screen recording options. macOS Sequoia was also requiring users to approve screen recording apps after restarting their Macs, and this requirement has been removed.
It does not appear that there is a way for users to permanently give screen recording access to recording functionality, but a monthly popup
Whatever happened to “my laptop my choice”
I don’t mind as much as it’s only a quick click away when the use case happens… what bothers me a lot more is that it has to restart the application.
Maybe a middle ground, like a choice of a week, a month and 3 months buttons AND don’t freaking bring down everything that I was already doing because it needs to restart.
Maybe a middle ground, like a choice of a week, a month and 3 months buttons AND don’t freaking bring down everything that I was already doing because it needs to restart.
This should be "Allow for [user-selectable period]". But Apple is reluctant to treat its users as adults.
Awful. The System Settings app is still semi-functional, so even if you want to give the app permission to record, the SS application will take a long time to open the right subpane, and then it may or may not scroll to the app in question, and after you have entered your system password and set the permission, it will present the "Quit and Reopen" dialog which is usually pointless, and rarely just another hoop to jump through.
Is this a first step? Will you be required to monthy reapprove full disk access/location access/Calendar access/Microphone access/Camera access? Will Safari ask you every week if parental control should be turned on?
Is this a first step? Will you be required to monthy reapprove full disk access/location access/Calendar access/Microphone access/Camera access? Will Safari ask you every week if parental control should be turned on?
How is this going to work with something like DisplayLink, whose entire function depends on the Screen Recording APIs? You're going to have to re-approve this every month just to continue using your external displays/docks?
You use screen sharing to manage hundreds of headless machines individually instead of some centralized management and ideally IaC of some kind…?
Also I’d bet you can selectively disable this with a management profile
It's one click a month. Plus every time you have to let Gatekeeper let you open an app that's not from the app store (which is now also more of a pita than before in Sequoia as well). And then every time a browser, or Zoom, or Skype needs camera or mic permissions (of course, that's never caused me problems, no siree, not with those restarts). And everytime OpenEmu needs accessibility permissions. And everytime a utility like Ice needs accessibility permissions...
I'm tired of having to do more stuff on "my" computer because idiots idiot.
Pretty funny you have only one app that does this.
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I bought a Mac so I could do what I want with it in the Apple ecosystem. I will never install macOS Sequoia if my Mac asks or prompts me whether I want to use it the way I want to.
That isn’t normal. It doesn’t normally ask for credentials for months or more.
For each app that has this permission. And it’s not just screen capture apps. A lot of apps use this for some of their functionality.
This is such a crude way of dealing with this problem. It won’t really do what they want it to do and it will just teach users to click blindly to make it go away.
What Apple should do is create a security report. The report should show a nicely formatted list of permissions and the apps that are enabled. It should feature the more critical permissions prominently but still give access to the rest. Ideally it would let you revoke a permission right in the report. This should be a more user friendly than the obscure, techie control panel. User should be able to invoke this whenever they want to check what permissions they have given.
Then Apple could pop up an occasional reminder to check the security panel. However there should always be an option to disable the reminders. At most, it should only do it after a major OS update.
What Apple should do is create a security report. The report should show a nicely formatted list of permissions and the apps that are enabled. It should feature the more critical permissions prominently but still give access to the rest. Ideally it would let you revoke a permission right in the report. This should be a more user friendly than the obscure, techie control panel. User should be able to invoke this whenever they want to check what permissions they have given.
Then Apple could pop up an occasional reminder to check the security panel. However there should always be an option to disable the reminders. At most, it should only do it after a major OS update.
If this doesn’t allow an easy opt-out, I simply can’t ever upgrade to Sequoia. I have multiple headless Macs in my home and remote locations that the only way I access them is by various remote desktop software. They have to be accessible every time while unattended, sometimes weeks or months between remoting into them. There would literally be no way for me to see or click on any pop up like this to approve these screen sharing apps all the time.
I’m so tired of Apple treating their users like children. If they want to do this crap to the iOS products fine, but for real computers this is totally unacceptable. I have bought Macs for decades because they have been solid system to get work done, and now they are being turned into expensive Fisher-Price toys.
I’m so tired of Apple treating their users like children. If they want to do this crap to the iOS products fine, but for real computers this is totally unacceptable. I have bought Macs for decades because they have been solid system to get work done, and now they are being turned into expensive Fisher-Price toys.
For the people not understanding how critical this is, where I work we have about 100 Macs my team administers, almost half of those are headless systems sitting in a server room with no keyboard or monitor ever hooked up to them. We use remote screen sharing software to access all of them. So if they decided to block that access every 30 days, there is no way for us to even click “allow”. Then there are all our remote users who depend on us to be able to get into their systems to help them, they are on locked down systems without admin rights to begin with. This honestly sounds like some insane idea Microsoft would try to push out in the corporate IT world and then immediately step back when they heard all the backlash from admins.
I agree, except I think maybe they should have the prompts come back after each update in case you forgot about a sitting that may be better returned to the 'safe condition'.
I'd be Ok with that.
This is going to break VNC apps like RealVNC from being able to remote into a computer. Try to remote in on day 31 and not there to approve it? Too bad.
If you object to this, I highly encourage you to send an email to tcook@apple.com voicing your frustrations. Maybe with enough emails they will contact the developers to pause this.
If you object to this, I highly encourage you to send an email to tcook@apple.com voicing your frustrations. Maybe with enough emails they will contact the developers to pause this.
Was just going to post that.
This MacRumors article is just telling half the story.
It is still a pretty bad show from Apple to pressure thrid party developers to new APIs by pestering their users.
“We” is a large varied group of people which includes many that have no clue and many that do.
But still, this is a step way too far
whatever happens with this I would love if zoom and teams checked their permissions before I join a meeting! I hate when you try to start a screen share in a meeting and for some freaking reason macOS has blocked screen recording. You then need to leave the meeting, set permissions, restart app and rejoin meeting - so unprofessional!