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macOS Sierra 10.12.2 Removes 'Time Remaining' Battery Life Indicator

thadoggfather said:
UsbC as a charging protocol exclusively is less than thrilling you remove the safety feature of totaling your laptop with pets and kids and general negligence and add little. It's not like MagSafe wasn't reversible

I say this as someone with rMB and nTB , I like USBC in general tho
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Type-C is not all about USB or charging, it is a connection to give you what ever you need instead of having diferant conection types for a HDMI, USB, Thunderbolt, Display etc you now have one type of connection that dose HDMI, USB, DisplayPort not more diferant cables to lug around

Time to move on, the price, MagSafe and small battery is what is wrong with this new laptop
 
InsoftUK said:
Type-C is not all about USB or charging, it is a connection to give you what ever you need instead of having diferant conection types for a HDMI, USB, Thunderbolt, Display etc you now have one type of connection that dose HDMI, USB, DisplayPort not more diferant cables to lug around

Time to move on, the price, MagSafe and small battery is what is wrong with this new laptop
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I understand usbC flexibility. You haven't just brought that to the table that usbC can be used to branch out to hdmi or usb3 or docks or anything else. UsbC is cooler than tb2 undoubtedly.

They should have a non crappy MagSafe equivalent for usbC, even if an adapter. Not that griffin junk that I bought and collects dust.

Your last sentence makes no sense.

Battery price and lack of MagSafe are the issues but MagSafe omission is a non issue?

On rMB makes sense it's physically limited. Would it be physically possible on 2016 pros? From a thickness perspective not engineering.

Even if not, again a USBC MagSafe equivalent that isn't junk or reliant on 3rd party should be an option. Most people loved MagSafe's safety feature.

"Id like your 2016 vehicle without an airbag please. Seatbelt is sufficient"
 
kepler20b said:
I got a better idea. In Apple maps, they should completely remove the time estimate until arrival. Because you know, theres a thing called traffic. And it is very dynamic and unpredictable, so Apple needs to remove it from the app because you cannot predict future traffic conditions, and it does not want the app to confuse people as to whether or not they will actually ever arrive to their destination on "time".
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Or since Apple Maps itself is not always completely accurate, perhaps they should remove that?

And since Siri is not always completely accurate, perhaps they should remove that?

And so on. Alas though, I know, only this "not always completely accurate thing" makes sense to be removed because it is the one thing that Apple has removed. With Maps & Siri still endorsed by Apple, it doesn't matter that they are not always perfectly accurate.

And I'm sure those passionately rationalizing the removal of this because of its inaccuracy can turn right around and argue for the ongoing inclusion of stuff like those in spite of their inaccuracies.
 
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Johnny907 said:
Hah. It's not inaccurate at all. That's the ***** problem.
The New Apple: don't fix a problem, just deny/ignore it until the class action lawsuit makes you look bas enough to do something about it.
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It's extremely inaccurate.
 
Breenston said:
Can you imagine if they removed the fuel indicator on a car, because you complained weren't getting enough MPG as reported.
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Not a good comparison. What they did was take away the indicator in some cars that tell you how many miles left until you run out of gas. The gas gauge that tells you how full your tank is has not been removed.
 
Populus said:
If somebody knows any trick, or Terminal command, app, whatever to check remaining battery life, I will be thankful. Otherwise, probably I'll stay on 10.12.1 forever... Glad I kept my 10.12.1 downloaded on my hard drive.
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Open the activity monitor and look in the tab 'energy'...
 
thadoggfather said:
Up to 10 hours is based on staring at a wallpaper for up to 10 hours without letting the display go to sleep, but also at 25 percent brightness.

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~10 hours of video play back. This has been confirmed by numerous independent testers, getting 9-11+ hours depending mostly on screen brightness. Independent testing also confirms 450+ nits maximum screen brightness. An exceptionally bright wide color gamut laptop display. Why make up lies?
 
Brammy said:
Even on El Cap (which I'm still on) it was wildly inaccurate.
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No, it wasn't always wildly inaccurate. Yes, Apple is correct in that this estimate can be wrong if user suddenly switches to wildly different power requirements. However it was still useful for getting an idea how much time is left. In the very least Apple should have made this an optional battery display stat (the battery is still reporting all the stats it has always used to estimate remaining time). Now we have to manually calculate time remaining. (1-battery remaining)/time on]*battery remaining. So lame.
 
I love the OCD jabronis who have to keep constantly checking this status bar when there is a percentage one as well. It's been explained in this thread that it was nowhere near accurate about 50 times and they removed it because of so. Not to lie to you about battery life.
 
Didn't they gank the time remaining option from like Mavericks on? Did the good peeps at Apple forget we don't need it in Sierra? I got over that a while ago, now I have to again get over it? Not very power efficient.
 
jkichline said:
That's not accurate. The fuel gauge is still there (battery percentage). What they took out was to see how many miles you have until empty. I think the car metaphor is both accurate and inaccurate to this. Everyone knows that the MPG that is provided is generally the maximum you can expect. On a MacBook Pro, you can expect up to 10 hours. That means you're likely going to get less.
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It's Apple themselves that states 10 hours of "wireless web usage" - it seems, nobody have been able to reach that.

Whatever the reason, it's false advertising, "up to..." used to be the definition used by Telcos when they knew they weren't able to deliver full speed xDSL, nobody trusts a Telco.

At least car companies can agree on some form of definition:
https://www.carwow.co.uk/guides/running/what-is-mpg-0255

Both my cars has been able to do these calculations since 2006, and they almost never fail to calculate how far I can go before running empty. But Apple can't do an updated average calculation on usage and drain? I'm glad they dropped out on building a car.

What you don't see in cars is extreme performance requirements like you would in a computer. For instance, if you are running a process, the processor is going to spin up and try to take care of that task as quickly as possible. Then when it's done, you basically go back to not doing much at all. It would be like driving by flooring the vehicle, going as fast as it will allow for two minutes and then coasting the rest of the way. Each app and task is like a different sized hill and you don't know what's coming. So if you end up flooring the accelerator a lot, your battery life depletes. But you if you ACTUALLY using the computer like a car on the highway, you're going to get much better mileage.
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If you are using your car as specified you should get the MPG advertised, and guess what - you do (almost every time). Apple have such a vague definition on usage that nobody can claim to hit reference use, that leads to the natural conclusion: nobody will get 10 hours of battery life on their Macbook Pro because it's a lie.

The issue is in how you are using the laptop. If you're not stressing the processor and driving on flat ground in overdrive (so to speak) you'll get 9-10 hours. If you're encoding video, playing games, compiling code, working in Photoshop or hitting the GPU... you're going to suck up battery much faster.
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Are You sure that "you're using it wrong" is the argument to make?
 
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I hate what is going on right now. And I don't mean with Apple. I mean with the general public.

"Apple has become another **** PC manufacturer." "What is going on with Apple?"

Here is what is going on with Apple. Consumers have become an pain in the ass. I am sure that 90% of y'all don't even own a macbook pro late 2016. And yes battery life varies. But that is the same for the iPhone, the iPad and any other freaking device out there with a battery inside. Apple DOES NOT guarantee 10 hours of battery life. They simply say that you can get up to 10 hours.
And sorry, no one mentioned the remaining time feature up until this mess. Don't act like it's the end of the world.

And don't even start with the whole Tim Cook thing. It's not his fault. Remember MobileMe? Remember the hairline cracks in the 3G? Remember Atennagate with the iPhone 4? Remember all the trouble they went through with those products? That was all under Steve Jobs.

The graphic issue was real. The battery "issues" are made up.
 
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I can see why they decided to remove it. Fully charged, this 15" mbp showed an estimated battery life of ~10 hrs if I recall correctly. At 90% it's estimating a little over five hours left. Very doubtful that I actually reach five hours even. I also have less tasks open now compared to when it calculated the initial estimate.

I haven't updated yet, so maybe the update will be the answer.
 
https://9to5mac.com/2016/12/13/how-to-check-macbook-battery-time-remaining-activity-monitor/

9to5Mac is reporting you can still see time remaining in Activity Monitor.

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Everyone is (understandably) down on Apple right now.

Giants always fall; history repeats.

It's just so bloody frustrating... And seemingly avoidable.
 
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dannys1 said:
MacRumors is going to explode...

"This wouldn't happen if Jobs were here"

(Except for that time they "recalibrated" the signal bars for the iPhone 4 because they "realised" we'd been seeing the wrong signal strength all along..."
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And as another poster pointed out seemed to take care of most of the issues, less reports came in.


As for the battery time remaining I use iStat menus anyway so I can just check there.
 
What makes me shake my head about this is that the powers that be at Apple seem to have no clue about the optics of this move. Even if they really did remove the time remaining indication for the stated reasons, surely they should have known that a lot of people are going to equate it's removal with complaints about battery life and that are attempting to gloss over the problem. This just looks ... bad (even if it's really not).
 
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moonjelly said:
~10 hours of video play back. This has been confirmed by numerous independent testers, getting 9-11+ hours depending mostly on screen brightness. Independent testing also confirms 450+ nits maximum screen brightness. An exceptionally bright wide color gamut laptop display. Why make up lies?
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Are you not familiar with /s?

It means sarcasm.

Of course the fine print doesn't say 25 percent (illegible in all but pitch black environment) staring at a wallpaper.

Take a joke or a smoke or both
 
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