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macOS Sierra 10.12.2 Removes 'Time Remaining' Battery Life Indicator

retrospek said:
Rene is Tim's love child - I'm sure of it..

Apple can do NO WRONG in Rene's eyes....
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And we get to listen to Andy start the same sentence 3 times, all saying how sad he is Apple did this.

Don't get me wrong, I dig the show. This will make excellent fodder for the pearl-clutching.
 
mkeeley said:
When was the last time Apple removed something then put it back? Not saying it has never happened, can't remember, but it's not usual.
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mDNSResponder comes to mind. They removed it /replaced it took about 6 months of issues with dns/wifi and then readded it back and it worked perfectly. Makes you wonder why they bothered replacing it if it worked.
 
retrospek said:
WTF is going on with Apple !

So now you have a portable machine and no way to see the time remaining for the battery..

Can we start a petition or something to get rid of Tim Cook.. He has to go as I don't like what Apple is becoming...
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Of course. The most valuable company on the planet, and we're going to start a petition to oust the CEO because they took away the BATTERY TIME REMAINING feature on our new laptops.

Let's get a grip here people.
 
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jkichline said:
That's not accurate. The fuel gauge is still there (battery percentage). What they took out was to see how many miles you have until empty. I think the car metaphor is both accurate and inaccurate to this. Everyone knows that the MPG that is provided is generally the maximum you can expect. On a MacBook Pro, you can expect up to 10 hours. That means you're likely going to get less.

What you don't see in cars is extreme performance requirements like you would in a computer. For instance, if you are running a process, the processor is going to spin up and try to take care of that task as quickly as possible. Then when it's done, you basically go back to not doing much at all. It would be like driving by flooring the vehicle, going as fast as it will allow for two minutes and then coasting the rest of the way. Each app and task is like a different sized hill and you don't know what's coming. So if you end up flooring the accelerator a lot, your battery life depletes. But you if you ACTUALLY using the computer like a car on the highway, you're going to get much better mileage.

The issue is in how you are using the laptop. If you're not stressing the processor and driving on flat ground in overdrive (so to speak) you'll get 9-10 hours. If you're encoding video, playing games, compiling code, working in Photoshop or hitting the GPU... you're going to suck up battery much faster.
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Dont use your $3000 laptop for anything that you couldn't do on a phone then? Right!
 
vinsalducci said:
Of course. The most valuable company on the planet, and we're going to start a petition to oust the CEO because they took away the BATTERY TIME REMAINING feature on our new laptops.

Let's get a grip here people.
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Have you heard of the concept of a final straw?

C-level people are replaceable and tradeable between caring corporations. That's what C stands for, caring.

Apple is still going post Jobs. Not without a few (minor) speed bumps (in the performance sense on x86 front though that's may be intel to blame since A-series ARM architecture sky rockets, barring comparatively primitive software evolutions and efficiencies and bug squashing while introducing new bugs) or unfriendly consumer practices, but. Here I am typing on my 7+ And it will still go post Cook. Even if it 2017, there WILL be a Cook successor.
 
chr1s60 said:
Do you time your cell phone to know this as well? Or do you simply freak out all day not knowing if it'll last another 15 minutes?
I get it was a stupid move by Apple, there's no denying it. However, people are up in arms like Apple removed the keyboard or something. The whole thing is still common sense. Look at your percentage and base it from there based off how heavily you're using the computer. Why is it people can't use their own judgement anymore and when asked to they act as if they've just been insulted?
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It felt like they had when I tried it..
 
vinsalducci said:
Of course. The most valuable company on the planet, and we're going to start a petition to oust the CEO because they took away the BATTERY TIME REMAINING feature on our new laptops.

Let's get a grip here people.
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While you can, because grip will be removed in 10.12.3.
 
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Apple copied HP's move :eek::confused: and I fully expected it.

Now before you guys start to rip on me, HP did this since about two years ago, removed the ability at the BIOS level for Windows to calculate and estimate remaining run time, due to many complaints they received regarding battery life. You're greeted with "calculating..." whenever you click on the battery. It wasn't until Win10 1607 MS got rid of the forever calculating message. I hated it so much. It is a handy way to see if something is hogging your battery.

I haven't updated my rMB to Sierra yet, and I'll keep it that way for a while longer.
 
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vinsalducci said:
HAHA I love this. Just get rid of the time remaining estimate! Watch everyone lose their minds.

This actually makes a ton of sense. There is no TIME REMAINING on iPhone. This measurement is a snapshot of current use, and is used to estimate the battery left BASED ON CURRENT USE.

But, battery power consumption is not a constant. It varies with use.

Apple is telling us what I've been saying all along-QUIT STARING AT YOUR BATTERY REMAINING AND USE YOUR COMPUTER! LIVE YOUR LIFE!
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And it sure was nice to see an approximation of how much longer you could continue to use the computer, based on how you were currently use it. How is that a difficult concept? They removed a useful feature.
 
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Seems apple is only doing things that annoys users these days. Its a long time since I've seen something mindblowingly positive from Cupertino. I remember the days when apples keynotes and releases really dazzled us. from iPhone gen.1 and for 5-6 years it was great being an apple customer. Now, not so much...
 
thadoggfather said:
Have you heard of the concept of a final straw?
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Sadly, it won't be the final straw. Rather than people stepping up to that line and actually opening their wallet buying a laptop/phone from another manufacturer and finally finding some happiness moving on with their life, people will continue to come here to whine and moan - that takes little effort and no commitment.
 
hackztor said:
mDNSResponder comes to mind. They removed it /replaced it took about 6 months of issues with dns/wifi and then readded it back and it worked perfectly. Makes you wonder why they bothered replacing it if it worked.
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Ah yeah, had forgotten about that. Not sure why as the amount of swearing each time my MB dropped wifi should have been burnt in to my brain.
 
Populus said:
If somebody knows any trick, or Terminal command, app, whatever to check remaining battery life, I will be thankful. Otherwise, probably I'll stay on 10.12.1 forever... Glad I kept my 10.12.1 downloaded on my hard drive.
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Not sure if anyone answered your question, but the terminal command is: pmset -g batt
 
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Remember when instead of fixing the Secure Empty Trash issue they just removed the feature entirely?

That's what Apple has become now.


That makes me fearful for Time Machine - given that it no longer works seamlessly/at all on Sierra. Their reasoning will be "Everyone backs up to the cloud nowadays". I put $5 on it.
 
So Apple cant write a decent algorithm for determining battery run time based on usage? My Windows 10 laptop does this no problem. Browsing the web at max screen brightness the ETA on the battery will say around 6 hours left. I open up something like Premiere and that number drops to 4 hours after about 30 seconds of use. I close Premiere and that number goes back up.

Dynamic battery runtime. Something Macs cant do I guess.
 
citysnaps said:
Sadly, it won't be the final straw. Rather than people stepping up to that line and actually opening their wallet buying a laptop/phone from another manufacturer and finally finding some happiness moving on with their life, people will continue to come here to whine and moan.
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I blame that on again lack of a holistic ecosystem alternative than being an iSheep. Though plenty of those exist too.

I strattle the line but won't ever defend apple in an argument. People that come guns blazing to trash apple, could care less. Not my company

I like to think mass manufactured products don't define me they're hedonistic tools

Also I believe there's a lot of people that can't afford latest and greatest nor have the will and are happy with what they got but as soon as it dies or gets noticeably slow, may go back to the drawing board or just say F It to an ecosystem concept and use silo'd products that individually excel. I dunno
 
Works4Me said:
What makes me shake my head about this is that the powers that be at Apple seem to have no clue about the optics of this move. Even if they really did remove the time remaining indication for the stated reasons, surely they should have known that a lot of people are going to equate it's removal with complaints about battery life and that are attempting to gloss over the problem. This just looks ... bad (even if it's really not).
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Exactly, perception become reality. They do seem to be oblivious and out of touch, only reacting when it's picked up by the mainstream press (i.e. bendgate).
Are the execs really that drunk on their own kool-aid?
Surely it can't get any better once they're further silo-ed in their new spaceship.
 
"You've been reading it wrong, so in our effort to simplify your life, we removed it." Next we'll be removing that pesky battery, they've been rather troublesome in the past twenty years. They're heavy, thick, unreliable. We consider them legacy."
 
mlabonte21 said:
Is this an Onion article??
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Hahahahahahahahahaha...

Except it actually is true. Gulp.

I am stunned. We've had this indicator for years and it is pretty much spot on in prior models, letting you know how much time you have left if you continue using the machine in the way you are t this specific moment.

What exactly is broken or misleading about that, Apple?
 
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