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tarting today, Apple is making the new macOS Sierra operating system available as an automatic download to customers running OS X El Capitan in order to encourage them to update.
I hate this in Windows, iOS and now OS X. Can I be the one who makes the decision what works best for me, and not be force fed an upgrade/update?
 
Really, I hate waiting for the updates to download. I'm perfectly fine with them downloading automatically so that when I want to install it's ready to go. I thought if you had a time capsule, the updates for Mac OS and iOS would download automatically to the TC for quicker access when you're ready to install. Maybe this update and power nap replaced that.

I don't understand the whining. Apple is not forcing you to update. It's an automatic download, not an automatic install. Of new software that improves your mac and it's free. This is hardly even news. Did I miss something?
 
Ah well, turned automatic downloads off. I liked the updates for apps i have installed coming automatically, but no way I'm installing Sierra right now - I just upgraded to El Capitan last month, the early adopter game isn't for me any more.
 
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Really, I hate waiting for the updates to download. I'm perfectly fine with them downloading automatically so that when I want to install it's ready to go. I thought if you had a time capsule, the updates for Mac OS and iOS would download automatically to the TC for quicker access when you're ready to install. Maybe this update and power nap replaced that.

I don't understand the whining. Apple is not forcing you to update. It's an automatic download, not an automatic install. Of new software that improves your mac and it's free. This is hardly even news. Did I miss something?

Because some people want control
 
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I don't understand the whining. Apple is not forcing you to update. It's an automatic download, not an automatic install. Of new software that improves your mac and it's free. This is hardly even news. Did I miss something?

Because like all updates, this is going to break some things, remove some features people still use. Disable some apps. Require a new VM license, movie and change various controls, etc. That is all perfectly normal stuff for a new version and there's nothing wrong with that. But the new version should only be download by the people who are ready and willing for the disruption, and they will seek it out and download it themselves.

The only legitimate assumption is people who don't choose to update do not want the update. The pro user doesn't want the disruption on apple's timetable, they want it on theirs. The grandmother using facebook doesn't want it at all. For them, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. They're better off on what works than what's new.

Add do all that that Sierra is a total dud of an update with zero worthwhile features, and pushing the disruptive part on users is inexcusable. I suspect even Apple agrees it's a dud which is why they're doing this dick move in the first place so they can pretend they still have decent adoption and why they've disabled ratings.
 
OMG this place truly is troll heaven... Nothing but a bunch of whiney little bi__hes here!
Yeah...imagine...people want to control their own computers...the one they paid for....imagine that...you must be troll if you think you have a right to control what goes into your computer....lets pass out the cool aide pls...& lets all drink it...quickly.
 
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I disabled that option in the App Store settings. Now how do I delete the update?
 
Some update mustve borked my mac mini. Install fails after 5 minutes, I cant boot into Capitan or stop the install.
 
I don't understand the whining. Apple is not forcing you to update. It's an automatic download, not an automatic install. Of new software that improves your mac and it's free. This is hardly even news. Did I miss something?
It's a multi-gigabyte download. Not everyone has a fast, unlimited Internet connection. It's also annoying if you are short on disk space when things randomly start using up gigabytes.

Also, it doesn't necessarily improve your Mac. It's 10.12.0. There's really no reason to install it at this time unless you like being a beta tester.
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There is a way to prevent iOS from forcing updates (a.k.a. planned obsolescence) on you. Here's a great article that describes how to get rid of the annoying popups, and claim back the 1+ GB space wasted by the iOS 10 update:
https://writekay.github.io/Disable-OTA/
Installing the tvOS dev profile. That's smart. I like it. No more mysterious "other" space usage for me.
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OMG this place truly is troll heaven... Nothing but a bunch of whiney little bi__hes here!
People are trolling if they don't like automatic downloads, and for good reasons? If anyone's trolling, it's the guy calling people "whiney little b****es".
 
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OK, to those complaining about those complaining:

The negative issue is that the default is set to download automatically.

Sorry, but I want control of my device.

So, once again, Apple is making decisions for everybody instead of asking. That is a bad idea, no matter how you look at it.
 
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Updates are not upgrades. Updates usually improve the situation (security, bug fixes) and don't break things. Going from El Capitan to Sierra is an upgrade and as so often before, it unfortunately break things.

Lately, OS X (err macOS) 10.1x updates have been pretty decent in terms of upgrades, compared to lets say Leopard to Mountain Lion.

Also Apple seems to be following the iOS model with macOS. They will patch newer versions faster than older releases.

They want everyone to be on the newest OS.
 
It's a multi-gigabyte download. Not everyone has a fast, unlimited Internet connection. It's also annoying if you are short on disk space when things randomly start using up gigabytes.

Also, it doesn't necessarily improve your Mac. It's 10.12.0. There's really no reason to install it at this time unless you like being a beta tester.
It's the second line of the article... "Apple is also being smart about the download. If your computer is low on space, macOS Sierra will not download. In addition, if it has downloaded and your computer starts to get low on space, the download will be automatically deleted."

And as far as improvement goes... once again it's just downloading a file. It's not changing anything. It's not installing. It's just making the file available to you. A real reason to object would be if you're on a metered connection. I'm sure this is a very very small number of users. It sounds to me like Apple did a smart job with this.
 
It's the second line of the article... "Apple is also being smart about the download. If your computer is low on space, macOS Sierra will not download. In addition, if it has downloaded and your computer starts to get low on space, the download will be automatically deleted."

And as far as improvement goes... once again it's just downloading a file. It's not changing anything. It's not installing. It's just making the file available to you. A real reason to object would be if you're on a metered connection. I'm sure this is a very very small number of users. It sounds to me like Apple did a smart job with this.
Even if they have it deleted, it's never good to have large, should-be temporary system files sitting around. Maybe you're about to partition your hard disk, or you want lots of free space for performance reasons, and now you have to dig around for big, useless files. And I don't know if Time Machine knows to skip the update files when backing up, but other backup systems won't.

You say very few people have a metered connection. I don't know if that's true. Universities and other organizations often impose data caps or throttling on their campus services. Even some "unlimited" home ISPs actually have a data cap in fine print that you could exceed with multiple Macs downloading this, like my grandma's connection in Los Angeles.

Regardless, the more widespread problem is probably bandwidth. Your connection gets congested from a background process downloading gigabytes, and you wonder why it's so slow. Worse, you're in a household or workplace with multiple Macs, and they're all downloading. Even worse, you're in college like me, with thousands of Mac-owning students downloading the update on shared connections that aren't meant to handle burst loads. Some IT people must have been freaking out.

Maybe this explains why I had so much trouble loading webpages yesterday.
 
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there are satellite ISP providers that offer unlimited data. Maybe check out one of those?

Not sure if there any in the UK. If there are, the cost will be seriously high. I'm hoping I can dump satellite for wireless Internet soon. Fibre is a long way off for me...maybe 3 or 4 years if I'm lucky.
 
I have all options unchecked for App Store. mainly because i'm still on Yosemite, and rather not be harassed by Apple.

Just comfy where i am.

If u have the bandwidth and great connection, then background process should be ok,,, but Apple has a tendency to just hog all bandwidth like iTunes does... probably best not to browse website while its downloading.
 
I crossed my fingers and went from Mavericks to Sierra on a 2011 imac. It went smoothly, and to my surprise the overall performance is better. I miss the dashboard widgets hovering over the screen though. It was nice to get numbers off the screen while using a calculator. Now it shifts to a blank desktop.

What I really want is a new MBP. There are several articles around the net saying October 24th for MB air, MBP & imac. Surprised there's nothing posted here.

This is the post I've been waiting for. Someone saying a newer OS is actually as fast or faster than an old one. Apple has been going mostly backward ever since 10.6.8 so this is very welcome news. I'll still be waiting for a couple of point releases as usual before I download and test it myself, but maybe I won't skip Sierra altogether like I'd been planning to do.
 
This is the post I've been waiting for. Someone saying a newer OS is actually as fast or faster than an old one. Apple has been going mostly backward ever since 10.6.8 so this is very welcome news. I'll still be waiting for a couple of point releases as usual before I download and test it myself, but maybe I won't skip Sierra altogether like I'd been planning to do.
In my experience, Mavericks is the slowest OS X ever. I think subsequent updates have been slowly improving performance.
 
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