I personally think it's more fear of missing out than Sequoia not being good.. Sequoia is still (and it will remain to be) a very good OS to use even for OCLP devices. Plus we shouldn't be really scared of missing out on Tahoe since it will be the last macOS to run on our devices. And apple is even still polishing it out even for supported systems.
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macOS Tahoe 26 on Unsupported Macs Discussion
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deeveedee
macrumors 68000
Upgrades to the latest versions of Xcode require Tahoe.
deeveedee
macrumors 68000
You make a compelling argument for pessimism. I understand why you feel the way you do, but I'd still rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right.
Yeah actually i forgot about that one. But if you arent a Developer Sequoia is Still great!
hvds
macrumors 6502a
Not that I really need Tahoe on my MBP11,1. It is more for convenience:
My main system is an M4 15" MBA16,13 with Tahoe. I still use the 11,1 in some outdoor situations, with Sequoia. Having the same user data, easily kept in synch, on both systems would be good. Hence Tahoe on 11,1.
That said, I won't hesitate to bring the 16,13 to macOS 27 when released. I may then retire the 11,1 anyway.
MultiFinder17
macrumors 68030
And luckily his work is already moving to the other devs still working on it. Given that Tahoe is the last Intel release and given the increasing technical challenges associated with it, yes it's taking time. No, not every internal test is going to be published to the dev channels. But yes, the devs are still working on it, slowly but surely. It's a big task that they do in their spare time as a hobby, for free, so patience is needed, but do know that it is still being worked on and is not dead, is not forgotten, is not gone.
crystall1nedev
macrumors newbie
What is your obsession with NVIDIA support? In due time, it will be figured out and handled accordingly as per usual - stop acting like it's the end of the world.
Anyway, MultiFinder17 is correct: Dhinak is handing off the project to others on the team and development work is continuing just as it has been in the past. Take it from someone who has been in direct contact with the developers, (recently) working on integrating their stuff, etc. for the past four years.
OCLP is not dead until the team themselves say it is.
Apple having a collection of the OCLP team working for them feels like a full circle event lol , congrats to OCLP devs may Apple hire you all (I mean your work speaks for itself)
P.S . be great if sat round a table at Apple if you could pull out your OCLP Mac . lol
I have always wondered if OCLP guys had an impact at Apple, for this reason. It used to be with my 2013, and 2015, 27 inch Imac's the native opening Line at startup was about midway from the Apple Logo, and when OCLP was used it was at the bottom, now with my 2020 27 inch natively supported T26, the opening line is always at the bottom, no OCLP yet same opening line. Speculation of course and I know nothing about programming just experimenting.
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deeveedee
macrumors 68000
It's great to get this news. Congrats to Dhinakg - well deserved. And crystall1nedev, I now use en####tification every chance I get. Thank you for expanding my vocabulary! 🤣
JulianStaples
macrumors regular
For now, on Hackintosh, if it is well installed and configured, Tahoe runs much smoother, fluid and faster than Sequoia on the same machine. I don't have it yet on my Macbook Pro 2015, because it is not a final OCLP 3.00 yet, but I am almost sure it will be much faster on that Mac too.
deeveedee
macrumors 68000
macOS Tahoe 26.5 is now my "production" macOS on multiple Intel-based hackintoshes with 8th - 10th generation Intel CPUs. I have 32GB or more of RAM on each system and all have fast NVMe SSDs. After Tahoe reaches steady state following login, I am finding Tahoe to be very responsive and am not missing Sequoia at all. With Accessibility > Display > Reduce Transparency: Enabled and Accessibility > Motion > Reduce Motion: Enabled in System Settings, I find that macOS Tahoe works well on my systems that have only the underpowered Intel iGPU and even better on systems that have Radeon dGPUs.
On my laptops, battery life in Tahoe is outstanding.
I had to migrate to Tahoe for Xcode, but with 26.5, I would have upgraded even if I didn't need Xcode.
I realize that my experience with 8th-10th gen Intel is not a predictor of older Mac performance with OCLP. However, with the right system tweaks, I fully expect that most will find Tahoe performance to be more than acceptable.
EDIT: If the slightly longer boot times associated with Tahoe are a problem, use sleep / wake instead of shutdown.
On my laptops, battery life in Tahoe is outstanding.
I had to migrate to Tahoe for Xcode, but with 26.5, I would have upgraded even if I didn't need Xcode.
I realize that my experience with 8th-10th gen Intel is not a predictor of older Mac performance with OCLP. However, with the right system tweaks, I fully expect that most will find Tahoe performance to be more than acceptable.
EDIT: If the slightly longer boot times associated with Tahoe are a problem, use sleep / wake instead of shutdown.
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Tahoe 26.5 is honestly so much better than .4, I use it on my work MacBook pro and it is honestly very good. Hopefully sooner than later unsupported Macs get to experience macOS Tahoe
Well, I just have to chime in here.
Basically, my frustration stems *solely* from the fact that NVIDIA is not supported on my trusty Late 2013 iMac.
Otherwise, I do have my 2019 MacBook Pro (16-inch), which natively supports Tahoe.
And furthermore, I have a wonderful Hackintosh that puts every Mac—even my 2019 MacBook Pro—completely in the shade.
We're talking an Intel i9-9900K, 32GB of DDR5 RAM, AMD Radeon XR6600XT (8GB) and Thunderbolt 5;
Bluetooth and Wi-Fi work perfectly right out of the box, and it runs Sequoia 15.7.7 and Tahoe 26.5 on a 4TB NVMe SSD—just as a side note.
I don't need any tips or help here whatsoever; I just get a kick out of the hopeless wishful thinking that NVIDIA will ever be supported again on older iMacs like mine.
And as for what @deeveedee suggests regarding these old machines—disabling transparency, disabling motion effects—what is the point of that? It’s simply no fun working with such a crippled system.
Basically, my frustration stems *solely* from the fact that NVIDIA is not supported on my trusty Late 2013 iMac.
Otherwise, I do have my 2019 MacBook Pro (16-inch), which natively supports Tahoe.
And furthermore, I have a wonderful Hackintosh that puts every Mac—even my 2019 MacBook Pro—completely in the shade.
We're talking an Intel i9-9900K, 32GB of DDR5 RAM, AMD Radeon XR6600XT (8GB) and Thunderbolt 5;
Bluetooth and Wi-Fi work perfectly right out of the box, and it runs Sequoia 15.7.7 and Tahoe 26.5 on a 4TB NVMe SSD—just as a side note.
I don't need any tips or help here whatsoever; I just get a kick out of the hopeless wishful thinking that NVIDIA will ever be supported again on older iMacs like mine.
And as for what @deeveedee suggests regarding these old machines—disabling transparency, disabling motion effects—what is the point of that? It’s simply no fun working with such a crippled system.
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basslik
macrumors 6502a
Yes, the glorious ride is not over yet.
We are all so thankful for ones who make dreams happen.
Some are born to move the world, to live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about the things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee
We are all so thankful for ones who make dreams happen.
Some are born to move the world, to live their fantasies
But most of us just dream about the things we'd like to be
Sadder still to watch it die than never to have known it
For you, the blind who once could see
The bell tolls for thee
5T33Z0
macrumors regular
@TOM1211 On Intel systems, nothing really, since all the features that require a neural engine cannot be used.
It's mainly relevant for security patches and software compatibility of Apple's apps (Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Logic Pro, etc.) since these are forced to work on specific minimal versions of macOS. And this limit gets raised almost every year/major version.
I think Tahoe is horrible as far as ressource usage and design philosophy are concerned.
It's mainly relevant for security patches and software compatibility of Apple's apps (Pages, Numbers, Keynote, Logic Pro, etc.) since these are forced to work on specific minimal versions of macOS. And this limit gets raised almost every year/major version.
I think Tahoe is horrible as far as ressource usage and design philosophy are concerned.
deeveedee
macrumors 68000
Before OCLP 3.0.0:
Q: Why are you still running Sequoia?
A: Because I like it better than Tahoe.
After OCLP 3.0.0
Q: Why are you running Tahoe?
A: Because I can.
Q: Why are you still running Sequoia?
A: Because I like it better than Tahoe.
After OCLP 3.0.0
Q: Why are you running Tahoe?
A: Because I can.
@deeveedee says—if you ask him:
Q: Why are you running Tahoe?
A: Because I can.
Hahaha... because he turns *everything* off—things like transparency and animations—and ends up using a totally crippled OS where everything moves in slow motion on his unsupported Mac with Nvidia graphics.
It’s simply laughable to work with a system like that. 🙂
Q: Why are you running Tahoe?
A: Because I can.
Hahaha... because he turns *everything* off—things like transparency and animations—and ends up using a totally crippled OS where everything moves in slow motion on his unsupported Mac with Nvidia graphics.
It’s simply laughable to work with a system like that. 🙂
Can anyone explain the difference described, between the height of the startup lines please.
MultiFinder17
macrumors 68030
I'm not sure if you were aware, but there are plenty of Macs that don't use Nvidia GPUs that would be perfectly happy.
deeveedee
macrumors 68000
MultiFinder17,
Oxygen-X1 and his "brother" AlfredoM over at InsanelyMac are upset with me because I still believe and have stated that Nvidia Kepler will be enabled on Tahoe by a future version of OCLP. My optimism irritates "them both" (although some have speculated that they are the same person). He wants OCLP to enable NVidia Kepler in Tahoe for his legacy Mac. I think he might be trying to use reverse psychology, thinking that it will somehow motivate the OCLP Devs to deliver a Kepler patch more quickly. I've just spent more time on this than it deserves.
Oxygen-X1 and his "brother" AlfredoM over at InsanelyMac are upset with me because I still believe and have stated that Nvidia Kepler will be enabled on Tahoe by a future version of OCLP. My optimism irritates "them both" (although some have speculated that they are the same person). He wants OCLP to enable NVidia Kepler in Tahoe for his legacy Mac. I think he might be trying to use reverse psychology, thinking that it will somehow motivate the OCLP Devs to deliver a Kepler patch more quickly. I've just spent more time on this than it deserves.
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