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Lets wrap up this convo. Whatever you say is fine. To me a UI/UX issue is a BUG, but at this point, who cares? I hate tahoe, you like it. Fine with me. 100%.
Agreed. Whatever you say is fine too, since you are entitled to your opinion. I would agree that UI/UX issues are potentially bugs but others are just plain bad design. Tahoe is neither awful nor good. I think we can agree that it isn't good.
 
Leaning a tad towards awful tho 😛
Not having yet moved away from Sequoia but reading threads like this one, I come away with the impression there is more than “leaning” and a lot more than “a tad” awful. Not yet unusable, but certainly off-putting, change for change sake, harder to use, disconcertingly cumbersome, flaunting successful UI design guidelines, and all with a soupçon of ensh!ttification thrown in for additional annoyance. Does that cover it? Still staying on Sequoia regardless.
 
Not having yet moved away from Sequoia but reading threads like this one, I come away with the impression there is more than “leaning” and a lot more than “a tad” awful. Not yet unusable, but certainly off-putting, change for change sake, harder to use, disconcertingly cumbersome, flaunting successful UI design guidelines, and all with a soupçon of ensh!ttification thrown in for additional annoyance. Does that cover it?

For some users yes, for some no, as usual. As far as I’m concerned, I get used to any new MacOS quite quickly, except in cases where it has some serious bugs, which is not the case here (for me).
 
Not having yet moved away from Sequoia but reading threads like this one, I come away with the impression there is more than “leaning” and a lot more than “a tad” awful. Not yet unusable, but certainly off-putting, change for change sake, harder to use, disconcertingly cumbersome, flaunting successful UI design guidelines, and all with a soupçon of ensh!ttification thrown in for additional annoyance. Does that cover it? Still staying on Sequoia regardless.
Yes, I agree 100%. It is the stomping on proven successful UI/UX that really burns me up. Apple gets a little BIG in the head and thinks they can ignore what has been proven to be successful.
 
At this point, if they don't have the resources to manage the beta program, it's better to select the 1,000 statistically best beta testers and listen to them, rather than just doing public betas to stay in the IT world's good graces.

In fact, I don't see the difference between beta and .0 .1 .2 etc. It's perpetually a beta (it's a semantic difference).

Perhaps artificial intelligence will improve the situation in terms of feedback management... but not today.
They had (still have) a team at Appleseed but closed the web portal for discussion between members who are still supposed to continue reporting bugs using FA (!) but that's like shouting into the abyss and without a portal to privately discuss what's been found, I'd guess very few provide any bug feedback at all now.
 
They had (still have) a team at Appleseed but closed the web portal for discussion between members who are still supposed to continue reporting bugs using FA (!) but that's like shouting into the abyss and without a portal to privately discuss what's been found, I'd guess very few provide any bug feedback at all now.
I always use the Appleseed channel when updating to different betas and ALWAYS report Feedback. It sure is exactly like shouting into the void...
 
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I always use the Appleseed channel when updating to different betas and ALWAYS report Feedback. It sure is exactly like shouting into the void...
I did but am reporting fewer and fewer. Not because there are fewer but because there's no reply/action from Apple and no way to discuss with other testers who might or might not be seeing the same issue.
 
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I hope everyone with their complaints are going to apple.com/feedback to file a report. Reports are the ONLY way developers will take a bug seriously. No one is going to troll forums looking for bugs.

That being said some of these easy to spot bugs are a symptom of what is known as "leetcode interviews". Leetcode favors programming enthusiasts who don't have much experience coding yet have lots of free time to study tricky irrelevant questions used only in an interview. People who do the actual coding work day and and day out don't have time to study leetcode because we're too busy building scalable enterprise software and hiring managers want nothing to do with us.
Yep. I do send feedback to Apple. Not that I hold my breath...
 
I don’t like Tahoe at all. Ios26 and iPados26 is ok, but I still think version 17 where better.
Tahoes window management does not look finished and presents many problems for people who are elderly with its totally pointless transparency everywhere. Who is interested to see what is under your current window where you work?. Its as bas as modern day news tv where there are constant tickers running under the presenter.
 
Here we go again. iMac never sleeps and only app I leave running is Mail. This morning, screen shows Mail crashed. This use to keep happening with Mac OS 14. I had to erase the iMac M3 and start from scratch to fix it. Now it's happening again...what a POS...

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Translated Report (Full Report Below)
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Process: Mail [26624]
Path: /System/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail
Identifier: com.apple.mail
Version: 16.0 (3864.300.41.1.7)
Build Info: Mail_App-3864300041001007~1
Code Type: ARM-64 (Native)
Role: Foreground
Parent Process: launchd [1]
Coalition: com.apple.mail [14218]
User ID: 501

Date/Time: 2026-01-11 06:04:00.1462 -0700
Launch Time: 2026-01-05 07:41:15.6766 -0700
Hardware Model: Mac15,5
OS Version: macOS 26.2 (25C56)
Release Type: User

Crash Reporter Key: 59084A63-B506-1E58-D56F-B59E674E3935
Incident Identifier: 2E7C405B-EE9E-45F2-9DA4-A6C38FF2B16A

Time Awake Since Boot: 2300000 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Triggered by Thread: 11 -[IMAPConnection _handleBytesAvailable], Dispatch Queue: NSOperationQueue 0xc183e5b80 (QOS: UNSPECIFIED)

Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000

Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 6, Abort trap: 6
Terminating Process: Mail [26624]


Application Specific Information:
abort() called
 
I’ve been running into some pretty frustrating bugs lately on macOS 26 Tahoe, and I’m curious if others are seeing the same thing. I got to say in terms of bugs, this is the worst macOS version Apple has ever released, worse than Ventura was three years ago! I have had it with macOS Tahoe. The speed of the OS is fine but not the stability. The fact that users do not report this stuff often is the main reason bugs like this don't get fixed quickly. Here are the apps I have been experiencing problems with.

Freeform: When I type in a text box, the sentence or a entire paragraph would keep duplicating whatever I type whenever I add a period or a slash. It makes even simple notes turn into a mess of repeated sentences. iOS 26 Freeform does not do that.
Journal: I type a long paragraph and sometimes the text switches sides of my typing cursor. But also, the app would sometimes freeze and become unresponsive, and when it does, entire paragraphs disappear. It’s happened enough times now that I can’t trust it for longer entries.
Menu Bar: The Menu Bar animations become choppy just because a app is on the right side of the line where the trash app is on the dock. So if there is a app next to trash before the line, the menu bar animations are more choppy. It's these little things that Tahoe has that makes no sense.

Seriously, why can't be even basic apps be functional to the user. I just want to create new ideas but these apps glitch too much. I want to downgrade back to Sequoia or even Sonoma which is my favorite macOS for Apple Silicon, how do I do it? Why doesn't Apple allow the user to downgrade easily like Windows? Has anybody else been having bugs in this new macOS? macOS 26.2 has not fixed much bugs for me in my experience.
I must report Tahoe 26.2 is Not as robust as Sequoia was. Still freshly updated, I'm finding some quirky behavior.
 
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I must report Tahoe 26.2 is Not as robust as Sequoia was. Still freshly updated, I'm finding some quirky behavior.

I gave up. Just "downgraded" to 15.7.3. Been on OS X since 10.4, using Mac OS since System 8.6. This is the 1st time ever I've gone back a version. Been running the latest OS since Leopard, and ran betas since the 10.7 Lion days. I can handle a bit of growing pains but Tahoe is in perpetual beta, from both a performance and UI standpoint. Unacceptable.
 
When I type in the text boxes for long enough, this happens in Tahoe! I want Apple to fix this! If it does not, can Apple be sued for breach of contract for unfunctional software or simple bugs can not trigger that?
Screenshot 2026-01-13 at 12.57.07 PM.png
 
Not having yet moved away from Sequoia but reading threads like this one, I come away with the impression there is more than “leaning” and a lot more than “a tad” awful. Not yet unusable, but certainly off-putting, change for change sake, harder to use, disconcertingly cumbersome, flaunting successful UI design guidelines, and all with a soupçon of ensh!ttification thrown in for additional annoyance. Does that cover it? Still staying on Sequoia regardless.

I switched back to Sequoia from Tahoe because of bugs after a complete flat reinstall of Tahoe (formatted drive, copied files to external drive and back to My Documents/Music/Photos, manually reinstalled all apps without using backups and configured them manually without configuration files). Never downgraded my MacOS version before, and I use a MacBook Air M1, not exactly an esoteric device.

On the Tahoe GUI side I found buttons hidden under other UI elements or moved without warning, but it was unpredictable. For Example, accessing network drives in finder has a grey bar under the toolbar showing connection status and username. The disconnect button is on the right side, and it would randomly move to under the Preview Pane. 7 out of 10 times it would be there and the other times I would need to start hiding panels or force-quitting finder to get it back.

On the internals side, one example: Time Machine broke. As in it kept trying to continuously backup several hundred gigs even if I left it just idle on my desk for hours without internet (blocked my mac from internet access to see if it was downloading things in the background, it wasn't). I let it complete it once, and then it backed up another 500 gigs, and another, and another before I quit. Format drive, use different drive, remote drive, local drive plugged directly into the mac, dis/enable Time Machine all had the same thing happen.

In my experience if you're doing very basic tasks like editing text documents without complex graphics or browsing websites it will work 'just fine'. But anything more complex (I mainly do databases, statistics, and data science) causes odd behaviour. It wouldn't be bad if it was predictable, but it's not and that results in a weird anxiety from mentally tracking your computer because you can't trust it. Tahoe made me not want to use my Mac. I literally did not buy the M5 MacBook Pro over Christmas because Tahoe is pre-installed and cannot be downgraded since its new hardware.

So Tahoe works, yes. But look at your use case and decide before you upgrade. Only a genuinely stupid person who has no sense of abstract thought, introspection, or capability to critically analyse would say Tahoe's doing just fine and it's their opinion that it's ready for the majority of complex workflows. It's laughable to suggest that anyone should just put up with the OS in its current form or wait for a future update if they're experiencing issues - We're 6 months out from WWDC and the rumour mill is constantly saying that this is a 'Snow Leopard year' for MacOS instead of building on-top of Tahoe for the next version.
 
Only a genuinely stupid person who has no sense of abstract thought, introspection, or capability to critically analyse would say Tahoe's doing just fine and it's their opinion that it's ready for the majority of complex workflows.

Classy.

(genuinely stupid person who has no sense of abstract thought, introspection, or capability to critically analyse here).
 
Most terrible thing in Tahoe is not related to UI. It is just horrible to see how GPU utilization goes crazy from time to time even when only some windows with static content are open.

For me it is worst with Orion browser. Of course it is possible that Orion itself is related to this - but it is based on Webkit, not a third-party engine. For now it is hard to see if near future is able to mitigate this.

Other thing which is even worse are continuous attempts by

Code:
/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/WorkflowKit.framework/XPCServices/BackgroundShortcutRunner.xpc/Contents/MacOS/BackgroundShortcutRunner

to burn CPU to the ground. There has been no way to find out why this process spawns up and sits at 90-100% CPU for any time it sees suitable and only way out has been killing the process. It is not related to user-created shortcuts as I do not have any except some manually operated ones.
 
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And found a doozy if you are an Apple 27" Thunderbolt Display (ATD) user, because MacOS 26.2 FAILS to find the built-in display camera. I know the ATD is an ancient display but it IS an Apple product and still has many fans, so there is no excuse for this omission.
Weirdly, with me having done nothing at all to the Macos since I reported this, today I clicked on FaceTime and the cameras in the two ATD are working again. I have no idea why.
 
And found a doozy if you are an Apple 27" Thunderbolt Display (ATD) user, because MacOS 26.2 FAILS to find the built-in display camera. I know the ATD is an ancient display but it IS an Apple product and still has many fans, so there is no excuse for this omission.
Mine works fine as it turns out, I dug it out to test after this post
 
I’ve been running into some pretty frustrating bugs lately on macOS 26 Tahoe, and I’m curious if others are seeing the same thing. I got to say in terms of bugs, this is the worst macOS version Apple has ever released, worse than Ventura was three years ago! I have had it with macOS Tahoe. The speed of the OS is fine but not the stability. The fact that users do not report this stuff often is the main reason bugs like this don't get fixed quickly. Here are the apps I have been experiencing problems with.

Freeform: When I type in a text box, the sentence or a entire paragraph would keep duplicating whatever I type whenever I add a period or a slash. It makes even simple notes turn into a mess of repeated sentences. iOS 26 Freeform does not do that.
Journal: I type a long paragraph and sometimes the text switches sides of my typing cursor. But also, the app would sometimes freeze and become unresponsive, and when it does, entire paragraphs disappear. It’s happened enough times now that I can’t trust it for longer entries.
Menu Bar: The Menu Bar animations become choppy just because a app is on the right side of the line where the trash app is on the dock. So if there is a app next to trash before the line, the menu bar animations are more choppy. It's these little things that Tahoe has that makes no sense.

Seriously, why can't be even basic apps be functional to the user. I just want to create new ideas but these apps glitch too much. I want to downgrade back to Sequoia or even Sonoma which is my favorite macOS for Apple Silicon, how do I do it? Why doesn't Apple allow the user to downgrade easily like Windows? Has anybody else been having bugs in this new macOS? macOS 26.2 has not fixed much bugs for me in my experience.
worst Apple OS in its history. Tim Cook should be ashamed.
 
worst Apple OS in its history. Tim Cook should be ashamed.
I guess you dont remember Leopard, a release so bad they spent the *entire* following release fixing it, Lion was pretty rough too, and for that matter reaching back further, system 6, which was unbelievably buggy at launch and a lot didnt get fixed till 7
 
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