Apologies if you thought I was in any way calling you stupid. Not my style. Tahoe is stupid, the implementation is stupider, but unless you are the originator of Tahoe, certainly does not apply to YOU. This thread IS called WORST MACOS EVER that sucks so hard.
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macOS Tahoe still terrible with bugs even with 26.2
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nekton1
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The problem isn't liquid glass (LG) as such, it's that LG is today's culmination of a years-long trend at Apple to favor what I'll call the comic book, lowest- common-denominator look. Just think about the obsession Apple has had for years with idiotic memoji and 'cute' cartoonified faces on iCloud as one example; the Tahoe dock and disk icons are another. Why this happened (I think) is related to the ubiquity of smartphones and the perceived need to dumb-down icons for easy recognition on small screens as well as to make it easier for the masses of people with grade-6 reading skills to use an iPhone. Like many, I don't like the dumb-it down trend in macOS but it seems to be the unstoppable future for now, so I turn off as many of these features as I can until this design trend changes (I hope) again.
Are you sure about this one? Works fine with mine. Incidentally Tahoe restored the ability to change brightness on my 24" LED Cinema Display.
Plenty of bugs in Tahoe, though. And it's telling a lot of their 1st party apps still haven't been updated for Tahoe / iOS 26.
Luftkopf
macrumors 68000
I appreciate the clarification.
To clarify my point, I have no problems with people not liking Liquid Glass, it's literally not possible to please everyone all the time, I'm just surprised at the vitriol at what amounts to a new coat of paint.
Also, I know how narratives work, but nonetheless want to register my voice in support of Liquid Glass in the stream of hate so that it can bee seen that it's not universally hated, no matter what this little corner of the internet thinks.
nekton1
macrumors 65816
Yes, I am sure. Checked all connections and rebooted several times and no cameras BUT I am using a dual ATD display setup to an M2 MM so maybe that is the difference between us.
osplo
macrumors 6502
Good to know, thanks nekton1. Still, it can be used in Tahoe if smb is that buggy.
Anyway, shame on Apple, afp just works.
SalisburySam
macrumors 65816
You’re too generous. Max is grade-3, at least where I am in the 48th worst state for teacher pay. Can’t make change, certainly cannot round properly for lack of pennies, no multisyllabic words used, spelling is phonetic only, communications are more rebus than words, etc.
gank41
macrumors 603
One thing that sucks about Liquid Glass is that for developers, it doesn't "just work". They basically have to ALMOST re-write their apps if they want to take advantage of all of the features Apple offers. That alone is slowing down all sorts of apps from being updated. I use the Ivory app for Mastodon and in order to utilize the new features, I'm in on their TestFlight. A BUNCH of apps don't even support macOS 26 yet, let alone 26.2
It'll take time, but it'll get there.
Just yesterday, after a bunch of issues I've been having, I started screwing around and messed up all of my partitions and stuff. I was able to put my M1 MBP into DFU mode while connected to my 2018 Intel Mac mini and was able to erase everything and reinstall macOS 26.2, and then restored from a Time Machine backup.. I swear this used to take a few days for me- I've got a Ton of stuff.. But I woke this morning and it was all finished and I'm logged in right now typing this after everything was setup again and I'm back in.
Seems like, not only was the entire Time Machine restore WAY faster (like 13 hours instead of a couple days, using the same equipment I've used prior), but it seems like there's less for me to configure again after the fact? I was expecting to have to reconfigure a bunch of stuff, but it's just behaving like it was at the time the backup was done. AND I'm getting an additional prompt about not all of my iCloud data syncing across, which is exactly what I was hoping to fix. Although, THAT'S still not a go yet, but I haven't done anything really now to see why it won't enable..
Anyway, I agree Tahoe is pretty much the spitting image of Vista. But also, at the time, Vista had a LOT of changes under the hood that made things for the future much better (cough cough Windows 7 cough cough)...
It'll take time, but it'll get there.
Just yesterday, after a bunch of issues I've been having, I started screwing around and messed up all of my partitions and stuff. I was able to put my M1 MBP into DFU mode while connected to my 2018 Intel Mac mini and was able to erase everything and reinstall macOS 26.2, and then restored from a Time Machine backup.. I swear this used to take a few days for me- I've got a Ton of stuff.. But I woke this morning and it was all finished and I'm logged in right now typing this after everything was setup again and I'm back in.
Seems like, not only was the entire Time Machine restore WAY faster (like 13 hours instead of a couple days, using the same equipment I've used prior), but it seems like there's less for me to configure again after the fact? I was expecting to have to reconfigure a bunch of stuff, but it's just behaving like it was at the time the backup was done. AND I'm getting an additional prompt about not all of my iCloud data syncing across, which is exactly what I was hoping to fix. Although, THAT'S still not a go yet, but I haven't done anything really now to see why it won't enable..
Anyway, I agree Tahoe is pretty much the spitting image of Vista. But also, at the time, Vista had a LOT of changes under the hood that made things for the future much better (cough cough Windows 7 cough cough)...
SalisburySam
macrumors 65816
gank41
macrumors 603
Just sayin, at the time, the majority of the world wanted to stay on Windows 7, and did so for way too long. And that's because it worked.
I'm just trying to point out the similarities here. Everyone's talking about Liquid Glass and how it LOOKS. What most folks don't understand is how well all of these apps that adopt these features will be set to work well going forward. People talk about performance issues or problems and blame macOS. It's just way more complicated than some yes/no answer.
n-evo
macrumors 68020
To all Americans who dislike LG, I would suggest sending an email to the White House suggesting that the new design is woke... I bet that by the next beta, the problem will be solved. 😂
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Apple Knowledge Navigator
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Interesting takes. I think that, from the way I use my Mac at least, Liquid Glass adds more complexity to the screen and that is why it goes beyond being simply a coat of paint.
OS X introduced many changes over the years, and indeed some divided opinion, but I don’t feel any had as much impact on my ability to work efficiently (or rather inefficiently) as LG.
Whilst not my favourite GUI, what I really like about Sequoia is that the windows and controls are distilled to their absolute essence, meaning that I can focus entirely on my work without superfluous details drawing my attention. For what it’s worth, Sequoia is more in-tune with Apple’s “less is more” philosophy than Tahoe.
I’ve never taken issue with Apple wanting to explore different materials; in fact one could argue OS X had a history for doing so, and successfully for the most part.
The issue for me is that they selected one single material to marry the entire family of graphical user elements - elements that historically have been proved to be most effective when displayed using properties suited to their purpose.
Then they chose the basis of that one material: glass. A material that we associate as being fragile and transparent, yet Apple combines the (pseudo intellectual BS) real world properties of this material with those of liquid to create something that is neither glass nor liquid, and ends up being nothing more than a completely inappropriate material that Apple has, for months, continued to alter - because even they don’t know how it should ‘behave’.
So not only have they made the GUI busier to look at and thus less productive, they’ve created more problems for themselves by failing to understand - or respect - the very nature of controls and windows and their purpose within a computer environment.
They (or perhaps, Alan Dye) wanted something that reflected a load of buzz words that get thrown around at company meetings. Inspirational. Fun. Creative. But not usability.
n-evo
macrumors 68020
I simply don’t share that sensitivity to it. I can honestly say I’m not any less productive on macOS Tahoe than I was on previous versions of macOS. Which doesn’t mean I don’t see the many quality issues with the current iteration of Liquid Glass.
I feel Apple should’ve never pushed it out at this stage. I’m intrigued though to see where it goes and if they truly manage to turn it into a polished experience. Or if they’ll eventually backtrack and come up with something new.
In the end I’m also not really convinced that enormous transparent panes offer the best medium to convey information. As the Control Center’s Wi-Fi menu clearly demonstrates.
When the first Liquid Glass rumors started flying around I was really hoping it would be the true next generation of Aqua. Too bad that wasn’t the case.
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It still does. The 802.11bh amendment is there for reasons of privacy in mainly WiFi deployments.
The underlying hw still has a “burned in” address.
But regardless off, an OS wouldn’t change IP just for the fun of it. It would change if the MAC address would change (agree with you, when RCM is in play) or if the lease is expired and the request comes in as “fresh”
And in the end I think we can both agree that using dynamic assigned IP addresses is not the proper way to setup persistent connections for whatever purpose. We would use static addresses or fix it by setting up properly our DNS environment
Detektiv-Pinky
macrumors 6502a
You are correct, the NIC has a unique MAC address stored on an EEPROM, however the MacOS network stack can use this, or any other configured address during operation. If MAC address privacy is enabled, the OS decides not to use the 'physical' address and rather generates a new random one.
Apple itself says that the OS generally uses a different private WiFi-Address after resetting the network settings: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102509#:~:text=Rotating: When set to Rotating,weak security or no security.
After your WiFi-MAC has changed, your router is likely to give you a different IP-Address if your computer does a DHCP request. You are correct, a static IP Address would fix this problem (not sure where the DNS comes in here), however, you would also need to exclude this IP from the range of DHCP-managed addresses on your router/DHCP-server.
If it is only the lease expiring: most DHCP servers try to give you the same IP even if you reconnect.
law_is_code
macrumors newbie
Apple Knowledge Navigator
macrumors 601
On the Mac App Store I can download Sequoia from Tahoe. So can you not install it this way? Sorry if this has been answered.
You can download it but it’s best to do a dfu restore as this will remove Tahoe recovery and the os. Plus reinstall sequoia firmware
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
Andy_2341
macrumors 6502a
I can agree with that. I just haven’t faced those problems on any of my devices in a way that is meaningfully different from the way iOS18’s issues. The features added in 26 make it a clear choice for me, and the design makes it slightly different but not enough for to notice. I’m not saying OS26 is perfect, it’s not close. But it isn’t that horrible as I hear on these forums, at least for my family.
Andy_2341
macrumors 6502a
No, I’m not blaming users for bugs. That’s insane. Problems vary though. Some of the problems reported have solutions that aren’t too difficult to solve. Others are beyond control. At any rate, bugs and problems are both unacceptable and somewhat expected. Ranting on a form does nothing to fix them.
The too round an too much space could make sense. The looking bad is subjective.