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macOS Tahoe still terrible with bugs even with 26.2
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You do see the name of this thread, right? And thanks for your sparkling opinion. It tells me that you just do not get UI/UX. Good luck when they actually do make TRIANGLES. You know, not for any reason, just because they are too fat sitting on their rich asses making crap up. And, by the way, it is YOU who are being ridiculous.
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gank41
macrumors 603
FWIW, I just finished doing an Erase and Reinstall of macOS 26.2 by putting my MBP in DFU Mode, and I set it up as new instead of restoring from Time Machine, and Wow- night and day compared to my Time Machine restore I just tried prior. Not only am I saving space by not reinstalling a lot of the apps I had installed before, but I got to see the whole setup process now, and everything went very smoothly. I feel like I'm in a good place right now when before, I almost didn't even want to use this thing.
Andy_2341
macrumors 6502a
Yes, I see the name of the thread. I agree that there is bugs and it isn’t an ideal, stable OS. I’m not a UI/UX designer and know nothing about that. I’m not claiming I do. Triangles is absurd though. In what way am I being ridiculous? What is the point is being this upset and attacking people for their opinion on an operating system that no one will remember in 100 years?
In 100 years... that's what humanity has always done, argue (we're in a forum) and, in the end, nothing lasts forever.
Except Tahoe.
THIS will be in marketing and design textbooks as an example of failure even a hundred years from now. 😂
"I’m not a UI/UX designer and know nothing about that." And yet that is the ENTIRE point of this thread. So THAT would be ONE way in which you are being ridiculous.
You know what Tahoe reminds me of? Yup, the Time Warner/AOL deal. Yup, it is THAT bad.
SalisburySam
macrumors 65816
Andy_2341
macrumors 6502a
I thought the entire point of the thread was Tahoe sucks and is full of bugs. The UI being awful isn't mentioned in the title. How would that be an example of me being ridiculous?
I'll even go further, and say it's more like the Jaguar rebranding (which btw, failed so miserably that the CEO had to step down).
chrono1081
macrumors G3
I hope everyone with their complaints are going to apple.com/feedback to file a report. Reports are the ONLY way developers will take a bug seriously. No one is going to troll forums looking for bugs.
That being said some of these easy to spot bugs are a symptom of what is known as "leetcode interviews". Leetcode favors programming enthusiasts who don't have much experience coding yet have lots of free time to study tricky irrelevant questions used only in an interview. People who do the actual coding work day and and day out don't have time to study leetcode because we're too busy building scalable enterprise software and hiring managers want nothing to do with us.
That being said some of these easy to spot bugs are a symptom of what is known as "leetcode interviews". Leetcode favors programming enthusiasts who don't have much experience coding yet have lots of free time to study tricky irrelevant questions used only in an interview. People who do the actual coding work day and and day out don't have time to study leetcode because we're too busy building scalable enterprise software and hiring managers want nothing to do with us.
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
lsat year I mailed over "30 post Monterey OS issues" a letter to five big wigs at Cupertino
and never heard back from them.
perhaps they are still trying to open the envelope, reading, typing in my response sources on a Mac,
or they simple don't give a shi-
Lets wrap up this convo. Whatever you say is fine. To me a UI/UX issue is a BUG, but at this point, who cares? I hate tahoe, you like it. Fine with me. 100%.
chrono1081
macrumors G3
You didn't go through the proper channel. I cannot stress how important it is to go through the bug reporting system. No other way is valid, no other way counts, and discounting it is why bugs don't get fixed. The more people that report a bug, the more it floats to the top and gets looked at.
I file bugs all the time. I've been contacted a few times about bugs I reported for more details over the years. Not every person is going to get contacted, but putting them in the system gets eyes on them and gives Apple a way to track it in their system.
Even better than the link above is to use Feedback Assistant if you have the ability. That lets you submit system logs and other things.
MBAir2010
macrumors G3
I should have indicated the letters was sent after many support chat complaints and emails with peons.
the also letter stressed my distaste with software developments these bottom feeders can't fathom.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, so please bear with me.
What is a 30 post monterey OS issue?
My interpretation is that you've reached out to Apple numerous times including a letter to five executives over issues regarding macOS 12 Monterey which by the way, was released in 2021. Apple largely stops bug fixes/security updates after 3 years on operating systems. I don't know if that's a hard fast number but its clear that expect apple who released annual upgrades to fix a 5 year old operating system may not be realistic.
As for letters, no one writes letters anymore and so I can see that letters being sent to apple executives will largely go unanswered. They're not about to stop what they're doing sit down and write something a Pages document, print it out, get your return address and manually mail their response.
I've filed many a feedback on, particuarly when I was active in the beta, as I was part of the develop program for years. I never once heard directly back, and I wasn't expecting them to either. Seems rather unfeasible for them to address each and every feedback report, but hey that's just me
splifingate
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MBAir2010
macrumors G3
every Operating System by after Monterey,
the letters were a last resort.
what gets me is that I THOUGHT anything Tahoe'd was ignored?
I really really need to stop posting on these, nuttin' but trouble!
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
So without being pedantic (I'm trying really). can you expound a bit more
What bug reports did you send for Ventura, Sonoma, Sequoia and now Tahoe? The same bugs, new bugs, general feedback? What were you expecting once those were submitted?
Likewise regarding the letters, what were you expecting after mailing them letters?
I've sent a number of emails to tim cook over things they've done really well, recommendations and also things that should be corrected imo. I've never gotten a response - not upset, not disappointed. I'm sure the volume of emails that man gets is overwhelming
As I already mentioned over the years I've submitted my share of bug reports, in fact I've been a beta tester for a number of products over the past 30 years, and I've rarely ever been contacted by the company providing the beta. A few times they requested more logging and details over the issue, but by and large that was a rarity. So Apple's lack of direct response to you doesn't sound all that unusual.
No, it's not unusual, but it is worrying that it's considered normal.
Why bother creating a beta program for developers (the big ones wait for the final version before taking action anyway) and a public one (if I then ignore the input)? I understand, lots of feedback, some of it perhaps not reproducible, but the vast majority being ignored suggests that this is not a beta but... public relations/marketing for the press.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
My point is non-responses don't equate to being ignored.
Maybe they can issue a boiler plate email after a submission thanking the person for the bug report, but its not really feasible to have man power dedicated to interacting with each and every feedback/bug report. I'm not saying they don't have people looking at them, but dedicating folks to interacting with the submitters.
I just googled how many people are registered in Apple's developer program and the all knowing google responded with 34 million. Even if 10% of those people supply feed back and bug reports that means 3.4 million tickets, and having a team of people responding to 3.4 million tickets doesn't seem feasible to me
Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way or I'm missing something
At this point, if they don't have the resources to manage the beta program, it's better to select the 1,000 statistically best beta testers and listen to them, rather than just doing public betas to stay in the IT world's good graces.
In fact, I don't see the difference between beta and .0 .1 .2 etc. It's perpetually a beta (it's a semantic difference).
Perhaps artificial intelligence will improve the situation in terms of feedback management... but not today.