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macOS Ventura 13.5 Breaks Location Services Permissions for Apps

n-evo said:
Good ol’ days.


Snow Leopard bug deletes all user data

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I can't remember if it was Snow Leopard or Lion...one of those update caused me to lose everything from 1999 - 2006/7 because I didn't have proper backups then, and the OS update just killed the instance and I had no choice but to wipe and reinstall.

Last time anything like that happened to me because I got wise after that. But that was pretty awful.
 
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goonie4life9 said:
Folks, not to fear, because Apple Support is on the case! Apple Support has OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED that this is not a bug, because if it was, Apple Support would know about it before any customer did, because Apple Support talks to millions of customers a minute. Now, to address this bug, you'll need to follow the standard troubleshooting steps. First, you'll need to backup and restore your Mac. If that doesn't work, you'll need to Reset Network Settings. If the issue persists, you'll need to Erase and Reinstall your Mac. DO NOT restore your Mac from a backup. If the issue continues, they'll need to gather logs and do an RTA to Engineering. Within 48 hr, Engineering will reply that they are aware of the issue, keep your software up to date, and Apple will provide no further troubleshooting for this issue.
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LOL

On the "officially confirmed" part of this post (which I assume was meant to be humorous), I did call Apple support and they quickly confirmed that it was a bug and that they were working on it (but keeping, vewy, vewy quiet about it).

On the official Apple support forums, a volunteer moderator said it wasn't a bug. I'm not aware of any other assertions to that effect. That moderator has received quite a bit of criticism.
 
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Mr. Dee said:
And this is why I keep delaying my upgrades. Even when Apple software reaches GM, it’s still a beta for quite some time and that’s usually until the next release.
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literally. this is clear evidence of why i’ve been waiting an entire year after release to jump to the next major releases.
even after hearing this i’m nervous to jump on iOS 16
 
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apple2me said:
I think objectively the MacOS is more stable now than before. Yes, there are some bugs but with more features and APIs, we will see this more often than not.
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Compared to Windows which has a ton of possible hardware and software combination, macOS only has to deal with supported Intel and Apple Silicon devices with different software combination which would be lower in count yet Apple is unable to ensure that security issues and bugs are to a minimum or zero if possible...

I am not affected since Monterey is the last official update for MacBook Pro 2015 and even though I can use OCLP, I will not go the unofficial/unsupported route...
 
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svenmany said:
LOL

On the "officially confirmed" part of this post (which I assume was meant to be humorous), I did call Apple support and they quickly confirmed that it was a bug and that they were working on it (but keeping, vewy, vewy quiet about it).

On the official Apple support forums, a volunteer moderator said it wasn't a bug. I'm not aware of any other assertions to that effect. That moderator has received quite a bit of criticism.
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He must be Craig's sidekick.
 
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apple2me said:
I think objectively the MacOS is more stable now than before. Yes, there are some bugs but with more features and APIs, we will see this more often than not.
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I agree. And same for iOS as well.
For as buggy as iOS can be sometimes, I have vivid memories with my old iPod touch running 3.0 and 4.0 and apps randomly crashing for no reason and random freezes and reboots.
There was at least one crash/freeze a day, if not more.
Of course at the time I didn’t mind because the device was so fun to use, but there were bugs then just like there are bugs now, and there will always be.
 
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Naraxus said:
Look no further than Fedherigi. Ever since he got handed the reigns of Mac OS/iOS developement the quality of the software has gone down, meanwhile the number of bugs/glitches/crit-errors (that never get fixed until Apple can't kick the can down the road anymore) etc has gone up.
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Maybe. But the quantity has also gone up.

The pre-Lion, pre-iPhoneOS Apple software world was much simpler.

 
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Thanks for bringing up this issue on the news. I wasn't aware I have the same problem as well - I lost control per app location services.

Are there any workarounds so far?

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What gets me about stuff like this is why beta testers didn’t pick this up. Apple releases both developer and public betas. You’d think somebody would have reported back.

There are a lot of posts on these forums from users bragging about how they are running the latest beta releases. Did any of you pick this up or do you just run betas for the heck of it?
 
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MacRumors said:


The macOS Ventura 13.5 update that Apple released on July 24 has introduced a bug that affects location services.

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Since July, there have been complaints from macOS Ventura users who updated to the new software and then were unable to access and control location permissions for first and third-party apps.

Under System Settings > Privacy and Security > Location Services, macOS Ventura 13.5 has no apps listed. Users are not able to toggle location services for apps on or off, nor can they see which apps have access to their location information at the current time.

If a newly installed app attempts to request location services, there is no option to enable it for that app, which limits the functionality of some apps that Mac users are attempting to access. The location bug has been present since macOS Ventura 13.5 was released, but it has gone under the radar, perhaps because a limited number of Mac apps request location access.

There is no fix for this bug and workarounds that users have tried have not helped. Apple will need to issue an update to macOS to restore the privacy settings to their original state.

There are no location services issues with the prior macOS Ventura 13.4 update nor with macOS Sonoma.

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This is a HUGE bug, and it is really outrageous that a $3 trillion company is not spending some of that cash to hire developers and beta testers who can find and squash these things. Location Services on the Mac are not as essential as on mobile devices such as iPhones, iPads, and Apple Watches, but it is still a major part of the Mac system, and there are zero excuses for these kinds of bugs to go unnoticed.

So when can we expect a macOS 13.5.1 update to be released?
 
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lkrupp said:
What gets me about stuff like this is why beta testers didn’t pick this up. Apple releases both developer and public betas. You’d think somebody would have reported back.

There are a lot of posts on these forums from users bragging about how they are running the latest beta releases. Did any of you pick this up or do you just run betas for the heck of it?
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I totally agree with you. Also, Apple needs to actually pay developers and beta testers to work on finding and rooting out issues like this. They also need to create a robust "bug bounty" program that will pay members of the community to find these things, as well as issues that can cause security problems.
 
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svenmany said:
LOL

On the "officially confirmed" part of this post (which I assume was meant to be humorous), I did call Apple support and they quickly confirmed that it was a bug and that they were working on it (but keeping, vewy, vewy quiet about it).

On the official Apple support forums, a volunteer moderator said it wasn't a bug. I'm not aware of any other assertions to that effect. That moderator has received quite a bit of criticism.
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If the bug isn't listed on Apple's website, it isn't a bug, DUH! :p
 
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