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macOS Ventura (13.x) - Bugs

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Can't move the popup splash window around the screen like I could on every other system before ventura.
if I "save as" in safari or go to print to pdf, OR save as / download etc in other apps, the popup/splash frame will change size vertically & horizontally at the edges only -- I can't click and drag the frame to move the entire window to another part of the screen. THIS IS SO FLIPPING ANNOYING.
 
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sehnsucht77 said:
just upgraded to the latest update of Ventura and I am noticing the screen going black every so often. the computer does not reset though. anyone else seeing this? was not seeing it in the previous version.

Mac14,13 running Ventura 13.5
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I saw it frequently on Monterey; have not seen on ventura yet, but only recently upgraded (by mistake, thought I was merely downloading it - doink!).
 
Updated to 13.6 beta last night and back again by popular demand..Location Services is once not displaying info, it was fixed in the previous version, however here we are. Also some laggy System Settings, often 1 behind the current selection, which also was working correctly in the previous version, some strange behavior with the cursor, it appears at times to have a mind of its own, I experienced that in the previous beta.. Aside from that in the limited time behind the wheel that's the only 2+ "issues" I've encountered.
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Luckygreek said:
Updated to 13.6 beta last night and back again by popular demand..Location Services is once not displaying info, it was fixed in the previous version, however here we are.
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In terms of development, I suggest that the previous version to 13.6 beta is 13.5, not 13.5.1. By the time 13.6 is released it will have incorporated the bug fix in 13.5.1.
 
Agreed, very typical for beta's to have inherent "problems" that do get addressed with subsequent releases, however, they were addressed in prior OS, this beta has the same "issues" the prior beta had.
13.51 ran pretty flawlessly for me. The prior beta was problematic with the issues I explained above, jerky pointer, System Settings being pretty buggy, and Location Services not displaying properly.
My beta testing way back beginning with "Tiger" most often resulted in my computer turning into the "crashomatic" so yeah Monterey and Ventura beta way more stable.
 
Well I see we're nearly in the final third of 2023 upto release 13.5 and still when my Mac Studio wakes from sleep it moans that some USB accessories are taking too much power and have been disabled. A reboot always fixes it. Until next time. This problem only occurred after I 'upgraded' to Ventura some months ago, not long after the release of 13.3.

36 pages of a thread devoted to bugs in a single OS; maybe 13 is an unlucky number after all.
 
MajorFubar said:
Well I see we're nearly in the final third of 2023 upto release 13.5 and still when my Mac Studio wakes from sleep it moans that some USB accessories are taking too much power and have been disabled. A reboot always fixes it. Until next time. This problem only occurred after I 'upgraded' to Ventura some months ago, not long after the release of 13.3.

36 pages of a thread devoted to bugs in a single OS; maybe 13 is an unlucky number after all.
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Or maybe MacOS techs hired Bill Gates to consult...🤣
 
Anyone seeing any weird visual glitches like messages flickering and frame rate drops on ProMotion?
 
Weather "time sensitive" alerts are being treated as regular notifications and not showing on the lockscreen, sometimes I will find them in the Notification Center without being notified.
 
Just recently updated to Ventura as my full time OS, and yeah it's surprisingly still pretty buggy. Especially the system settings. I've had to re-set a lot of settings twice for them to stay selected. Or quit out of system settings and launch it again to be able to adjust stuff because it become un responsive. The rest of the OS seems ok though, all apps working as they should. Networking mounts seem ok.
 
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Just recently updated to Ventura as my full time OS, and yeah it's surprisingly still pretty buggy. Especially the system settings. I've had to re-set a lot of settings twice for them to stay selected. Or quit out of system settings and launch it again to be able to adjust stuff because it become un responsive. The rest of the OS seems ok though, all apps working as they should. Networking mounts seem ok.
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yeah i found system settings to be a touch slow, takes a second after ive clicked for it to move. also double click is a touch slow as well..
 
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Imagine if they stopped releasing annual 'new OS's' and instead concentrated on making an OS that was stable and bugfree. They had to do that when OS's shipped on a disc and anything but basic security-patches were too big to send over the internet. It had to be near perfect from day one.

It meant a lot back then being a final Release Candidate. From the RC was made the Gold Master, and from that, literally tens of thousands of CDs or DVDs would be 'stamped' and included in the boxes of new computers as OS restore-discs. The capability of that GM fundamentally defined the long-lasting user-experience. Especially for those people who weren't online.

It all means nothing now. They use basically the same principles in terms of defining the release-cycle, but in reality they know they can push out any old crap and worry about patching it later, where the 'patch' is infact a complete replacement for the entire OS.

Most people would surely rather have something that 100% works, with major releases timed less often, than a new OS every year with fresh bugs.
 
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installed 13.6 last week or so, all seems good until i opened up the calculator. i started typing in numbers when i clicked plus and added another number and pressed equals it said "this is not a number"...lmao ok.. whatever, if thats the worst bug i get, i can live with it.
 
xflashx said:
New bugs in 22A5352e:
  • Universal Control may not work

New bugs in 22A5342f:
  • Many Notification Center widgets are black or blank (new issue in beta 7)

Currently known bugs (Build 22A5266r):

  • Some users cannot access the internet
  • Alias for Safari in the Applications folder
  • Stage Manager sometimes crashes
  • Stage Manager animations have low framerate
  • Stage Manager apps (on the left) might automatically hide (bug or feature?)
  • Stage Manager may switch to a different app form the sidebar when returning from viewing a full-screen app
  • Cycling through the windows of an app in Stage Manager behaves differently depending on the speed you click. Clicking slow only cycles between the currently active window and the "top" window, clicking faster cycles through all windows of the app.
  • Animations in the Weather app flip when enabling the sidebar.
  • The new System Preferences is buggy, sometimes panels scroll/wobble upwhen they should have fixed height.
  • Moving the cursor in text with the keyboard is buggy, sometimes the cursor moves very fast/jumps, sometimes it moves very slow, character for character.
  • Wallet might throw the error "Could not set up Apple Pay"
  • Finder might refuse to copy files from a smb/nfs network share (due to allegedly insufficient permissions)
  • MAS/iTunes might not load
  • Mac might now wake up from sleep/panic during sleep
  • Notification sounds might play much later
  • "Utilities" folder missing when opening application folder from within the dock
  • might not be able to install new fonts
  • AirPods text for "Noise Cancellation" is inconsistent (all over the place). The term "Noise Cancellation" is used in iOS and iPadOS. On macOS Ventura, sometimes you see "Cancellation", "Noise Cancellation", and "Noise Control". The verbiage use on macOS Ventura for this should be consistent with what's used on iOS and iPadOS, and that is "Noise Cancellation". To see the inconsistencies, look at System Settings > AirPods Pro
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so its a new update and its not old its new so AirPods Pro Will work if you connect them to your Mac
 
Hi Guys,
Have been happy with Ventura and unhappy to find later systems offer features which are irrelevant to me, irrespective of what Apple say about security. I reckon complexity adds vulnerability and I use a variety of tools to keep watch.

Migration Assistant no longer working for Ventura 13.7.8 (22H730) Is there a fix?

Introduction
I decided to try Sequoia on my 2019 iMac and found it a very unpleasant experience. Security demands password for opening AND a password for approving application function. Very tedious. Doubles keystroke work. I decided to stay with Ventura.

My iMac uses a 2TB SATA ssd with Sequoia, and a 2TB NVME ssd with Ventura 13.7.6. Normally I would simply erase Sequoia, Use Restore on the NVMe to download Ventura, then use Migration Assistant to restore user account and settings.

Problem 1
Opening the Ventura on NVMe hit a Kernal Panic. Past experience has shown the only solution is erase and reinstall.
Time to think carefully.
We know Apple discourages using earlier systems and forces users to upgrade to latest offerings in the name of security. We also know that the only way I could reinstall an older o/s is by using Restore via Internet which gave the original o/s supplied with my machine; in this case Mojave, then build forward to desired o/s.

I downloaded Mist which allowed me to download Ventura Disk Image and package. I opted for Ventura 13.7.8 as the latest version. Big mistake!

Problem 2
I downloaded Ventura 13.7.8 to a 4TB external ssd using Restore. Once the o/s was installed with Apple ID etc. I attempted to transfer apps and settings. Could not be done! Migration Assistant did not recognise Ventura on the NVMe stating. So Migration Assistant would not migrate data on 13.7.6 to Ventura 13.7.8 backward compatibility issue? I would not have thought the kernal panic - a bootup issue, would effect Migration Assistant but then I know very little.

Reconsideration
I decided to Use CCC to transfer Account settings to Ventura 13.7.8 on 4TB external and returned to Sequoia to export browser settings and passwords onto USB and thense to external 13.7.8. This worked and I had a clean operating system but needed to install apps. I tried Migration Assistant again - no recognition. So I installed 34 apps one a time, activated and registered them as necessary.

Data transfer without Migration Assistant
Now I deleted SATA Sequoia, installed Ventura 13.7.8, via Restore. Migration Assistant would not recognise Ventura 13.7.8 on external drive so I transferred User Account, apps and Settings manually with CCC or USB.

Once this was completed I erased Ventura 13.7.6 on NVMe (and kernal panic) then reinstalled Ventura 13.7.8 via Restore. No more kernal panic, all operating properly. However Migration Assistant still would not recognise either of the other two available drives with Ventura 13.7.8 for migration. The screenshot below shows Migration Assistant still does not recognise either of the other two drives one internal, one external, as accessible for data transfer.

Having encountered obstruction from Migration Assistant at every turn, having spent four days jumping hurdles I have three un-synced OSX 13.7.8 which still cannot use Migration Assistant.

It seems I should have stayed with Ventura 13.7.6 instead of upgrading.

Research
A recent article led to these comments by Mike Bombich https://bombich.com/blog/2024/12/19/bootable-backups-have-been-deprecated-for-several-years

The article confirms the importance of Apple ASR combined with the Recovery mode environment and Migration Assistant, so that makes the Migration Assistant behaviour I experienced even more inexplicable.

I ask, what went wrong? What am I overlooking?

I welcome any contribution which sheds light on this incident.
 
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