macOS Ventura Drops Support for Older Macs, Works With 2017 and Later Machines
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Menneisyys2
macrumors 603
Surely there'll be some hacks. MR also has several threads on them. Heck, I'm running the hacked 10.15.2 (Catalina) on my MacBookPro8,3 (late 2011 17"), which officially only supports 10.13 High Sierra. And the last time I checked there were even newer OS hacks for the same late 2011 17"...
EDIT: and other old MBPs have similar hacks. Didn't have the time to properly investigate as, basically, I only use three Macs:
late 2011 13": for 1, testing Nvidia eGPUs 2, running old versions of Xcode for Swift conversions; both made possible by High Sierra (the final version of MacOS for 2011 MBPs). (I too have the above-mentioned late 2011 17" but it runs Catalina so 1, it doesn't support Nvidia 2, it can't run old, Swift 1/2/3-capable Xcode versions; this is why I use the 13" instead for all these, despite it being FAR worse than the 17".)
2018 MacMini: for x86 Windows in Parallels
2021 16": everything else (that is, 99,9% of the time now that Win11 ARM has became pretty useful in Parallels).
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biracialfamily91
macrumors 6502
I hope so as well. That's was brutal.
thejoshuabradshaw
macrumors regular
Usually, you just have to wait for an IOS cycle. So when it's more stable, or once the next version is in testing, it will be available on the let's say 2015-2016 macs and so on. This was the experience with my 2014 MBP.
PowerPC support was dropped from OS X with the very next release after the Intel transition was complete. I expect the same to happen with macOS and Apple Silicon. If we get the Mac Pro this fall/winter, then maybe macOS 14 will support a narrow span of the last Intel Macs, but it also wouldn't surprise me if it was Apple Silicon only.
TheDailyApple
macrumors 6502a
It’s a good time to upgrade though, and you managed to skip the 2016-2019 MacBook Pro disaster. You’ll love the new M1 machines.
jav6454
macrumors Core
I'm sure there will be one. There is a Sorbet Leopard OS out there that enables lots of features for older Macs.
reklex
macrumors regular
lol never, I give it a week tops before someone makes it available on the 2015 MBP.
But not as brutal as the Apple Watch Series 3. Still being sold in the Apple store, but no longer supported by WatchOS 9.
Lounge vibes 05
macrumors 601
Yep, first Intel Computer shipped in January 2006, and the transition was complete by August of that year.
By August 2009 Snow Leopard had absolutely no power PC support.
That means in August 2009, computers that were still being sold as late as 2006 were being cut off.
It was inevitable to be honest, Apple didn’t drop any machines at all between mountain lion and El Capitan, and now we’ve been paying for it ever since.
Same with iOS, they just went three years without dropping any devices so when they do it feels a lot more drastic.
I’m sure once all of their requirements reach the A12/ M1 and forward era things will start to stable out and we’ll see their devices go back to Mor of a 7 to 8 years of support schedule.
reklex
macrumors regular
they took 2.5% off on the chances of the keyboard getting rekt
Exit_74
macrumors newbie
Yeah and i dont understand why they have too introduce a new MacOS every time. Some features and an updated GUI thats it, nothing special in my eyes.
JamesMay82
macrumors 68000
Yeah I don’t understand how the 2015 can’t handle the minimal updates of Ventura
Darth Tulhu
macrumors 68020
I still have a 2012 iMac on High Sierra and it works just fine, so it's not that your Mac is going to instantly die upon Ventura's release.
I knew Apple would draw a line in the sand with the M-chips.
I'm waiting for them to do the same with the iPads (they already are, with Stage Manager not coming to A-series iPads).
So the time to start planning a transition to M-series starts now for all holdouts.
However, I see these new machines (even M-iPads) getting support for a LONG time.
I knew Apple would draw a line in the sand with the M-chips.
I'm waiting for them to do the same with the iPads (they already are, with Stage Manager not coming to A-series iPads).
So the time to start planning a transition to M-series starts now for all holdouts.
However, I see these new machines (even M-iPads) getting support for a LONG time.
Satjiv's one click
macrumors member
To mess with Microsoft's naming scheme for Windows. They are up to 11. Only one number above is too close! Gotta go up
Payne Mononymous Bachman
macrumors regular
Here is the thread that I created for the patcher that will hopefully be created for this new version of MAC OS.
It can be found here. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-os-proper-thread-link.2346925/
It can be found here. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-os-proper-thread-link.2346925/
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Zdigital2015
macrumors 601
Why wouldn’t they…good grief, it’s just barely 18 months old and the iMac and mini and iPad Pro are all still using M1. Is this a bait post?!
Candlelight
macrumors 6502a
My 2013 machine still runs fine on Big Sur. None of the advances I've seen in Ventura gives me an incentive to move on. I'll get a new machine when this one eventually dies.
Yebubbleman
macrumors 603
So, we've gone from the days of macOS Catalina where, at the time of release, you could run it on a Mac released seven years prior to macOS Ventura, where Macs released six years prior will be left out of the cold. Nice. Way to go, Apple! 
At least if they had made the T2 the dividing line, there'd be a logical argument to make for it.
At least if they had made the T2 the dividing line, there'd be a logical argument to make for it.
reklex
macrumors regular
they want to get rid of Intel ASAP. I give it 1-2 years.
Jimmy_Banks
macrumors regular
Apple sells Macs in the EU, therefore it is their business.
breather
macrumors 6502
Sounds reassuring. Don’t wanna upgrade just yet