Wow. You must visit very different tech sites than I do. The whining I can see. But homophobia? Really?
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Macrumors and Racism
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Then why did you post in a public forum? The private conversation option is available with whoever you feel your conversation should concern.
Willing to bet that a good number of those individuals have been banned for violating forum rules (repeatedly). I have come across a few of them on reddit, twitter, other tech sites, and a blogging site where some banned members whine about being banned.
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I think he's going by the new definition of racist 🤷♂️
rac·ist
/ˈrāsəst/
noun
an opinion or belief that is different than the one of the offended person
rac·ist
/ˈrāsəst/
noun
an opinion or belief that is different than the one of the offended person
Accusing people of racism when they’re not being racist has gotten way out of control in our country. it’s far more common than actual racist comments.
And you people making all these false accusations make it a lot harder to talk to people about things that really are the product of racism. Because people are sick and tired of hearing false racist accusations so they just stop listening.
And you people making all these false accusations make it a lot harder to talk to people about things that really are the product of racism. Because people are sick and tired of hearing false racist accusations so they just stop listening.
It looks like the OP is suspended so that question will remain open.
I think part of the problem is political posts aren't just in PRSI. I'm looking through recents and I see "Tim Cook Addresses George Floyd's Death and Ensuing Protests..." in the forum "Political News" forum. I have "Block Politics Forums" checked but I guess it doesn't consider political news politics. Of course I'm a big boy and don't have to click into the post. Just saying it's not a perfect system for hiding the non tech political stuff.
We do separate the Political News forum because we don't want people coming off a front page article to hit a permission error wall. There is an individual forum ignore option, which will work basically everywhere except tapatalk.
Visit this link and confirm: and Political News forum won't show up in the New Posts.
Meh it is just someone trying to stir something up that does not exist. Creating a strawman for the sake of it.
Does anyone have any examples of what posts the OP thinks is 'racist'?
I dont know about you but I've found Macrumours community to be far better than any other tech forum I've ever used. Theres still a lot of arrogrance and the odd nonsense on here by a few users but much less than I've seen elsewhere.
I dont know about you but I've found Macrumours community to be far better than any other tech forum I've ever used. Theres still a lot of arrogrance and the odd nonsense on here by a few users but much less than I've seen elsewhere.
I was also curious so I looked back through his past post and didn't see anything although it probably has been deleted.
In any case, I doubt the mods would ever indicate the post that they moderate because of privacy issues.
It is okay to discuss in general what is allowed or not, for example asking, "Would it be considered a rule violation to call somebody obtuse?" would be fine.
But we would not want you to call out somebody by quoting their post here.
Unfortunately, racism is rampant here but not in an overt sense. For example, look at how many people in the PRSI forum question the actions of George Floyd, or the jogger who was shot down a couple of weeks ago... these posters certainly don't use racist terms but their actions in attempting to justify the murders by questioning the motive of the the black men while not condemning the actions of the killers couldn't be more obvious.
However, MR will never ban for something like that and it's easy to see why, technically they're not breaking any rules. But it is in fact one of the very reasons millions are out there marching, it is a systemic issue.
However, MR will never ban for something like that and it's easy to see why, technically they're not breaking any rules. But it is in fact one of the very reasons millions are out there marching, it is a systemic issue.
I think they would tend to be the exception and not the rule.
I think it really matters on what the current climate is.
When I got access to PRSI, I just read a few posts, chipped in here & there. Then an incident happened ( I believe the Starbucks in Philly was it ), and I began to comment on race. That quickly got me labelled for "playing the race card". If I doubled down & defended my position, for some that made me the racist. Because evidently for some, discussing race is their definition of a racist. Discussing an issue that is uncomfortable in a forum made specifically for such discussion means playing the race card. I was sowing the seeds of divisiveness that is so harmful to our country, if I remember the claims correct. 😶
Fortunately there are rules against just calling someone a racist, so that stopped.
But it's how some saw what I said. I'd catch a warning here, a post removed because it was a response to something modded, etc. It's the feelings & opinion that is being expressed, and sometimes it's difficult to definitively say, that is or is not racist. Because people seem to have various measurements of what is racist or not.
Well, here we are again, but with national ( if not global ) tension, and it ramps up people's interpretations of their statements.
Our current climate heightens our awareness of racism, and it can heighten our perception of it. Sometimes true, sometimes false. Our current climate will bring out those who know of that heightened awareness, will walk right up to that line, then stop short of committing to saying anything racist. All in the hopes of getting a reaction. It's part of open discussion. It's what we agreed to for signing up in a forum that can have various views. There are just some people who don't want to hear about racism, and others ( me ) who want to talk about it. Both will get called racist at some point.
Fortunately like I said, there's rules here against outright calling someone racist, so things don't degenerate. I like that.
As infuriating as it can be when someone does post something that one takes as racist, you can call them out if want, or report it.
I prefer people trying to thread that line. Open themselves up for more discussion if they dare. Because if you're putting in that much work to not cross the line of saying something racist. You've pretty much told everyone where you're coming from, and no mod is needed. At which point we have to option to 'ignore'. Which I also like.
Banning discussion of controversial opinions is a terrible idea. All you're gonna achieve is more polarization. You don't change minds by trying to snuff out voices, you change minds by having MORE voices all talking to one another. The more you ban a controversial opinion from general discussion will just cause those discussions to happen in increasingly separate echo chambers where people will only hear other people agreeing with them and further radicalizing their opinions.
In other words, "the antidote to free speech is more free speech."
Counterspeech Doctrine
The counterspeech doctrine, first articulated by Louis Brandeis in First Amendment jurisprudence in 1927, posits that the remedy for false speech is more speech that is true.
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Your rules don’t cover hate speech or racism.
and when or if you do anything you slap a person on the wrist for a few days then they are back.
time to look inside guys less macrumors be labeled a racist / hate message board.
This is from the Rules for Appropriate Debate (my bolding).
Hate speech and group slurs. We prohibit discrimination, abuse, threats or prejudice against a particular group, for example based on race, gender, religion or sexual orientation, in a way that a reasonable person would find offensive.
Then do something besides sit back and wait for an agregious post.
unfortunatly after being here for 15 years I have come to the conclusion that the only thing that will change this is arn losing money.
First of all, the point of my response to your post was that while you stated that the rules don't mention hate speech or racism, they in fact do. I thought it was important to clear that up. The fact that the rules do include exactly those things you mentioned means that if we see a post that breaks that rule, we can remove it. That's the agreement we have with the users.
Second, when you ask us to do something other than wait for a problem post, I think you're misunderstanding what we do.
- We create (and adjust, based on user feedback and experience) a set of rules whose purpose is to make it as easy as possible for the site's users to have civil discussions within a clear framwork.
- We require users to agree to those rules when registering so they know what to expect or can choose another site.
- If users overstep the boundaries of those rules, we moderate.
- If users disagree with moderation, they can appeal and discuss with us.
- We discuss quite a bit among ourselves, from various perspectives, to make sure we are on the right track or to see when we need to adjust how we moderate.
Try banning instead of timing out.
Guys i've been here a long long time.
Here's an example :
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"Trump would do well to ban all groups based on race. Liberals and Dems are responsible for most racism and division. Until this happens we’ll always be divided."
What do you suppose this means ? I'd really like to know.
To me and many others this is more than racist.It's tending towards totalitarianism .
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I'm sorry but if that were true the PRSI forum wouldn't be full of people questioning how George Floyd's actions led to his death or sympathizing with/defending the shooters in the Ahmaud Arbery case. How do they get away with it? Easy, don't come right out and say a phrase that's blatantly racist.
If one looks through that forum it's all over the place, but a simple example would be "did George Floyd have to forge his name?". MR will not penalize that poster, even if reported. But implying he somehow deserved to be suffocated for several minutes while in handcuffs crying for his life was somehow an appropriate response.
Example: if I were to say "giving up the seat would've been the courteous thing to do, Rosa!" That would also not result in a penalty. mods here look for technicalities based on a rigid set of rules, not human implications.
Do I fully expect MR to address all of the racism here? Not a chance, this is why millions in America are up in arms right now, how does one police such a systemic problem? But it would be nice to see it at least recognized.
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