Macrumors and Racism

[oneMadRssn]

That whole section (PRSI) is a cesspit of aggressive debate and it does more damage to the reputation of Mac Rumours than enhances it. I have come to realise being banned from there is more of a favour than a punishment and although I browse MR less than i used to, I enjoy it more now. I have now blocked PRSI threads from showing up and advise anybody to do the same.

Agreed. PRSI makes this website worse.

 

[arn]

Agreed. PRSI makes this website worse.

If you ignore it, it will stop showing up in most places on the site.

arn

 

[||\||]

Agreed. PRSI makes this website worse.

It drives traffic, which ultimately all that really matters.

 

[arn]

It drives traffic, which ultimately all that really matters.

Sigh. That’s not true at all. If we thought it drove traffic and wanted to leverage that we would leave it visible to the public.

Right now prsi doesn’t exist on this site if you aren’t registered, logged in, and have 100 posts.

arn

 

[||\||]

Sigh. That’s not true at all. If we thought it drove traffic and wanted to leverage that we would leave it visible to the public.

Right now prsi doesn’t exist on this site if you aren’t registered, logged in, and have 100 posts.

arn

It's just really hard to believe that you would spend so much time moderating that section purely as a public service. of course it drives revenue.

 

[yaxomoxay]

It's just really hard to believe that you would spend so much time moderating that section purely as a public service. of course it drives revenue.

Even if it was a revenue driver, so? Is everyone supposed to work for free, on a free service? If there is one thing that the internet destroyed is the value that some people give to other people's work.

 

[||\||]

Even if it was a revenue driver, so?

I simply stated a fact.

 

[yaxomoxay]

I simply stated a fact.

Your post above also drives revenue. Again, so?

 

[S.B.G]

I simply stated a fact.

A fact?

So you have seen and evaluated @arn 's financial books, eh?

 

[||\||]

A fact?

Yes, traffic is all that ultimately matters in an ad-run website.

 

[arn]

Yes, traffic is all that ultimately matters in an ad-run website.

Traffic can both affect revenue and we can also make decisions that aren’t 100% revenue driven.

Like I said if we were motivated by more revenue/traffic to prsi we would leave prsi open to the public. 98% of our visitors are non-logged in users.

if you want me to speak in a language you seem to understand. Prsi hurts revenue, because it drives people away.

arn

 

[yaxomoxay]

Prsi hurts revenue, because it drives people away.

Are you saying that my amazing posts on PRSI don't attract well educated, rich, beautiful people???

 

[BigMcGuire]

Always wondered if that was the case. I too assumed that PRSI was driving revenue hence why it stuck around but I stand corrected. That's dedication to the members right there. A+. There is definitely a group of people that likes that area.

Even more motivation for me to stay way. Run away!

 

[yaxomoxay]

Even more motivation for me to stay way. Run away!

Don't be so negative... it's a self-discovery voyage. First you get 100 posts on MR, then you read PRSI, then you decide to intervene on ONE and only one thread, then a few months later you are among the most active PRSI members all while your newly hired and new trusted mental health therapist see his/her revenue increase exponentially.
Then, you get banned for a year and discover that after all there is something outside of PRSI...

 

[ericgtr12]

Traffic can both affect revenue and we can also make decisions that aren’t 100% revenue driven.

Like I said if we were motivated by more revenue/traffic to prsi we would leave prsi open to the public. 98% of our visitors are non-logged in users.

if you want me to speak in a language you seem to understand. Prsi hurts revenue, because it drives people away.

arn

It would be interesting to see the numbers on that one. By any stretch that forum is extremely active and is surely delivering ads on every click. I mean look at the revenue FB is generating on all of their political groups.

 

[I7guy]

Agreed. PRSI makes this website worse.

To me this is akin to saying, I hate banana ice cream, why do ice cream shops even sell banana ice cream? Selling banana ice cream makes the ice cream store drive away customers?

You can ignore it. Or don't ignore it, participate in the threads you want and ignore the threads that don't interest you.

 

[icanhazmac]

Don't be so negative... it's a self-discovery voyage. First you get 100 posts on MR, then you read PRSI, then you decide to intervene on ONE and only one thread, then a few months later you are among the most active PRSI members all while your newly hired and new trusted mental health therapist see his/her revenue increase exponentially.
Then, you get banned for a year and discover that after all there is something outside of PRSI...

LOL, I followed this post to the letter until the part about getting banned for a year, instead I went on a self imposed time out and came back out to discuss Apple stuff.

I am sure at one time or another I'll go back to the dark side but for now I am enjoying the sun.

 

[ericgtr12]

To me this is akin to saying, I hate banana ice cream, why do ice cream shops even sell banana ice cream? Selling banana ice cream makes the ice cream store drive away customers?

You can ignore it. Or don't ignore it, participate in the threads you want and ignore the threads that don't interest you.

Couldn't agree more with this sentiment. Even when you meet the threshold you have to scroll all the way down to see it and even if you do see something offensive you can hide or ignore it, to say you'll stop coming here over something see easy to avoid is faux outrage IMO.

 

[oneMadRssn]

To me this is akin to saying, I hate banana ice cream, why do ice cream shops even sell banana ice cream? Selling banana ice cream makes the ice cream store drive away customers?

You can ignore it. Or don't ignore it, participate in the threads you want and ignore the threads that don't interest you.

If you ignore it, it will stop showing up in most places on the site.

arn

My ignoring it doesn't mean that your site isn't giving a platform for people to be really hateful and to propagate racist ideas. I wasn't subscribed to /r/The_Donald either, but I was still upset that Reddit allowed them to exist on the platform until recently.

 

[I7guy]

It would be interesting to see the numbers on that one. By any stretch that forum is extremely active and is surely delivering ads on every click. I mean look at the revenue FB is generating on all of their political groups.

It's amazing (or audiacious) that people want to see the books on a website that costs nothing to join, and then tell the website owner how to run their website. Then have multiple conversations across multiple threads about the issues with PRSI while political news can be hidden via an option. Not saying you said this, but it strikes me as odd.

And this in a thread where the discussion was about MacRumors and racism.

 

[arn]

It would be interesting to see the numbers on that one. By any stretch that forum is extremely active and is surely delivering ads on every click. I mean look at the revenue FB is generating on all of their political groups.

I mean, we don't even track it, cause it's not something that matters. You can eyeball the "views" on threads there. Those are lifetime views. I count like 35,000 lifetime page views for the first 12 threads? The entire site got 1.5 million page views yesterday alone.

 

[ericgtr12]

It's amazing (or audiacious) that people want to see the books on a website that costs nothing to join, and then tell the website owner how to run their website. Then have multiple conversations across multiple threads about the issues with PRSI while political news can be hidden via an option. Not saying you said this, but it strikes me as odd.

And this in a thread where the discussion was about MacRumors and racism.

No, but you're implying it. Arn actually brought up numbers and that's always fascinated me, and as the recipient of ads on a daily basis both big and small from this site I would certainly say it's a fair thing to bring up.

Anyone who has ever run a large site (and common sense) will tell you that so many impressions equates to dollars. Even if you're putting users into a silo, they're still making so many a ton of impressions per day in there so unless something is way off the mark here, it's generating revenue and it's doing so off of political discussion.
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I mean, we don't even track it, cause it's not something that matters. You can eyeball the "views" on threads there. Those are lifetime views. I count like 35,000 lifetime page views for the first 12 threads? The entire site got 1.5 million page views yesterday alone.

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Thanks for that, for some of us little folk that would still equate to pretty decent click through rates.

 

[I7guy]

My ignoring it doesn't mean that your site isn't giving a platform for people to be really hateful and to propagate racist ideas. I wasn't subscribed to /r/The_Donald either, but I was still upset that Reddit allowed them to exist on the platform until recently.

I don't think your ideas about people being really hateful and propagating racist ideas, aligns with the sites values of same.

While I don't deny that in PRSI, there is effort devoted to proving some opposing view wrong. (Taking a personal potshot ventures into the wrong side of the road territory.) That is a far cry from turning a blind eye as you suggest. I don't agree and we may never agree.

The rules for discourse are pretty clear and if you see posts that (you believe )violate the rules then report the posts. The moderators and administrators may not agree, however, or they may agree.

I do see very strong opinion and divisive opinions, which is not the same as propagating racist ideas.

 

[ericgtr12]

My ignoring it doesn't mean that your site isn't giving a platform for people to be really hateful and to propagate racist ideas. I wasn't subscribed to /r/The_Donald either, but I was still upset that Reddit allowed them to exist on the platform until recently.

It's likely that 99% of what was posted on The_Donald would've never been allowed here, they run a tight ship and even though I'm sometimes hit by these rules, they do make PRSI a more pleasant experience over all and that's something I won't admit to much here as I've been pretty vocal against it. However, these rules have a place and I've come go grips with it for the most part.

As for this site, looking at Reddit, FB or Twitter PRSI is like child's play compared to the hate speech that's out there, so much so that one has to be almost radical to partake in that discussion.

 

[26139]

Because people like you label anyone who doesn't agree with you as a racist and expect moderators to ban them. That's why you aren't getting what you want.

Have you read White Fragility?
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Unfortunately, racism is rampant here but not in an overt sense. For example, look at how many people in the PRSI forum question the actions of George Floyd, or the jogger who was shot down a couple of weeks ago... these posters certainly don't use racist terms but their actions in attempting to justify the murders by questioning the motive of the the black men while not condemning the actions of the killers couldn't be more obvious.

However, MR will never ban for something like that and it's easy to see why, technically they're not breaking any rules. But it is in fact one of the very reasons millions are out there marching, it is a systemic issue.

Very much agreed.