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MacRumors WWDC 2005 Live Keynote Coverage

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brap said:
This is the end of the closed system.

Can't wait until I can get OS X on my Athlon. Cheap, and faster than any similarly clocked Intel POS. :mad:
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I don't think I get this.

wow. Some people don't get the point, do they?

Nothing is going to be different. Intel chips instead of PPC. You'll still have to buy Apple hardware to run OS X. OS X isn't going to just work on a Dell

GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEADS PEOPLE.

If OS X was really going to run on ANY x86, Steve would have made a huge stink about that.

NOTHING IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

Actually, wait, faster and cooler running processors. Yes, that will be the difference.
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THAT made more sense to me. Am I missing something and if so can someone tell what the hell I am missing because this is driving me nuts. I just don't see the reason for all the drama.
 
liketom said:
if os x is there for x86 only mac - it will only be a matter of time before some pc nutter hacks it and makes it work for there £300 dell
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Quoted for FUC**** TRUTH, you know they'll hack it, and you know it'll start showing up all over the net. And not in little spots like the PPC did, i'm talking wide spread piracy just like windows. :(
 
eVolcre said:
Can you explain that? I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I really want to be educated as to why people think this is such a big deal. What's different? we had macs with PPC now we have macs with x86. Am I missing something major here?
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The difference is that Apple controls the Hardware now....Im sure you know that half the problem with intel boxes is that there are a million companies making parts for them. If OSX isn't tied to one type of hardware - we'll have the same problems as the MS boxes have and if Apple do control the hardware - it will be expensive....
 
efoto said:
So if that is the case, why Intel? Why!?
AMD has the cutting edge all the time, they are the underdog (as is Apple in market share), why not choose them with their faster and cooler, dual-core chips?
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Probably to ease the transition. Go with the buy with the most name recognition and bigger capacity, then when switch is complete, add the innovator AMD.

Apple probably has a 2 or 3 year exclusive deal with Intel to get this thing going.
 
efoto said:
So if that is the case, why Intel? Why!?
AMD has the cutting edge all the time, they are the underdog (as is Apple in market share), why not choose them with their faster and cooler, dual-core chips?
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Intel is way better at MANUFACTURING (not necessarily desinging) chips and can easily meet Apple's deadlines and quotas.

Also intel designs their own desktop - notebook - server class platforms, and that's what the macs will use. A platform consists of the mobo and all the I/O firewire etc.... AMD doesnt design their chipsets anymore...

You won't miss the PM G5 next year when you're running Leopard on your dual dual-core P4 PM's.
 
Bummer, no new hardware.

I feel bad for all the Apple Engineers. They have some serious explaining to do over the next few days out there.
 
i hate to use profanities, but in all honesty, that was one of the shi*tiest keynotes i've ever seen.

intel move: ok, great. faster macs. i hope the transition goes well.

other than that, THANKS FOR A WHOLE LOAD OF NOTHIN' STEVE. no new ipods. no new macs. not even any speedbumps! no new airport express.

geez, i wish i didnt just waste a whole hour.
 
AppleinJapan said:
The difference is that Apple controls the Hardware now....Im sure you know that half the problem with intel boxes is that there are a million companies making parts for them. If OSX isn't tied to one type of hardware - we'll have the same problems as the MS boxes have and if Apple do control the hardware - it will be expensive....
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Ah, I *think* I get it. That kinda makes sense. But if APPLE makes all the hardware now, why would making all the hardware in the future with a new x86 chip be any MORE expensive?
 
PowerBook G5 next Tuesday!!!!!!

sorry, I just had to get it out one last time *sniff*
 
w00t

These should be interesting times! The Windows PC manufacturers are going to have a lot of work ahead of them to keep up now :cool:
 
0092762 said:
Can you run windows on MS's OWN XBOX? NO!
It's protected by all sorts of things not to mentioned specialized hardware (apple specific mobo manufactured by intel) that windows won't have drivers for.
So don't worry, this is a change for good...It will bring more people to macosX
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But so many unanswered questions. I don't care who is making the system now, what about backwards compatibility and usage or current programs on future systems, future programs on current systems, etc etc. I cannot believe that SJ just screwed all the loyal Mac users of the last few years by making everything halt mid 2005.

Maybe I missed something....its all going so fast....but I don't see how it can all work without a long time of redevelopment and a lot of frustrated, impatient, and downright angry users.
 
I seriously hope we aren't actually talking about using P4's. The Pentium M is an awesome processor, but the P4? It takes more power at idle than the fastest AMD dual core cpu at full load.
 
eVolcre said:
THAT made more sense to me. Am I missing something and if so can someone tell what the hell I am missing because this is driving me nuts. I just don't see the reason for all the drama.
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Look around the internet. I dunno, google 'warez Windows XP'. You'll find thousands of hits, hundreds of hacked, cracked versions of the OS.

Crackers KNOW x86. Firmware is hardly a safety net. It will happen, and it'll happen soon. PC fans -- the Anti-Apple crowd -- have a clear cut goal. I'd not be urprised if there wasn't some widespread collusion in the underground to get this done.

OS X, compiled for x86, on a cheap, off-the-shelf box is a very, very VERY juicy prize.
 
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efoto said:
But so many unanswered questions. I don't care who is making the system now, what about backwards compatibility and usage or current programs on future systems, future programs on current systems, etc etc. I cannot believe that SJ just screwed all the loyal Mac users of the last few years by making everything halt mid 2005.

Maybe I missed something....its all going so fast....but I don't see how it can all work without a long time of redevelopment and a lot of frustrated, impatient, and downright angry users.
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You missed the Rosetta stone: enables original Mac programs to run on Mactel
 
My guess is Leopard will be a build of tiger that will enable optimization of OS X for intel machines. No new major features. Hence the 12 month time, not longer.
What an hour. What a pile.
 
liquidtrance123 said:
Quoted for FUC**** TRUTH, you know they'll hack it, and you know it'll start showing up all over the net. And not in little spots like the PPC did, i'm talking wide spread piracy just like windows. :(
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In other news, Chicken Little reports the sky is falling. :rolleyes:

Why does everyone think this is such a horrible thing? The more I consider it, the more I like it. Why?

1) I trust Steve. At least to a point. He's done a good job guiding Apple so far, and I know he wouldn't make this move without significant forethought.

2) If OS X becomes available to run on any x86 box, it will be by planning. Sure, hacks may come out, but I think Apple has thought a lot of this through and will make it either difficult and/or expensive to do, therefore discouraging the general public from doing it themselves.

3) If OS X becomes available on just any old x86 box, MS will be pissed, naturally, but I think that opens Apple up to truly grow the value portion of their business - software. Yeah, the hardware's cool, and they'll continue to build it for some time to come, but how many people would love to buy a cheap box but still be able to run a prime-time OS on it? I just hope they don't become another Microsoft.
 
eVolcre said:
Ah, I *think* I get it. That kinda makes sense. But if APPLE makes all the hardware now, why would making all the hardware in the future with a new x86 chip be any MORE expensive?
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That's just it, putting Mac on x86 isn't going to magically make all those Windows device drivers start running under OS X. The hardware support situation will remain roughly the same as now.
 
WWDC is a "Developers Conference."

It is not a forum to introduce new iPods.

Apple made it clear about a year ago that they were moving away from making product announcements at WWDC. There will be new iPods this year, and they will be revealed at a special press conference or at the Paris show in August.
 
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