During the original MacHeist, I remember lots of people saying that that were going to launch their own "fair" shareware bundle promotion. Where are they now...?
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During the original MacHeist, I remember lots of people saying that that were going to launch their own "fair" shareware bundle promotion. Where are they now...?
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This argument is as faulty as the RIAA's is about music piracy and forgets that most of these sales wouldn't happen anyway.
Have contacted panic awaiting response from the guys.....
Mine is already in the works workload from normal life is increasing but i hope to get it going soon.
Costs will come out of the profits and then the rest to the devs.... nothing to me. Walking away with $463,500 like the mac heist lot did IS greed. And by the time my thing goes into operation people will have long forgotten about this thread.
EDIT: Figures from Gruber estimates
"i prefer to pay the original price" so go ahead and pay dude.. probably a developer , if i try to sell you a ferrari for 10.000 of course you gonna say NO , i prefer to pay 200.000 because a lot of people put a lot of work on it.. please...
and if you think, just a litle you wil realize why this offer: LEOPARD IS COMING IS JUST A FEW MONTHS, and developer of those software know that and are just making money, because soon this versions will be useless for most of us.
thats the only reason why this big promotion, leopard.
you probably those who buy 10.000U$ on itunes because piracy sux , or pay 2000U$ for a creative suite...
and if you think, just a litle you wil realize why this offer: LEOPARD IS COMING IS JUST A FEW MONTHS, and developer of those software know that and are just making money, because soon this versions will be useless for most of us.
thats the only reason why this big promotion, leopard.
you probably those who buy 10.000U$ on itunes because piracy sux , or pay 2000U$ for a creative suite...
Most apps will not be affected by the move to leopard and those that will will not require a significant amount of work to warrant a version upgrade.... and yes a developer.
And to your edit, your right i don't pirate anything because i believe in paying people for good work..... if its not good i wont buy it if it is i will pay the price.
EDIT: sorry i just re read your really stupid analogy. No i'd buy your ferrari as your stupid enough to sell it for that and YOU get all the money, its the third party theif in this instance i dont like.
I don't have a problem with MR making some money here, heck they deserve it for keeping this site alive and well for so long. But I do think they should've said that they're sponsoring it or something along those lines.
Putting it inline with the normal news without at least a little disclaimer is a bit on the sleazy side. and I hope MU is giving more money to developers this time around. those are pretty big companies, with the tech tool pro guys and such so I'm sure they know what they're doing.
Putting it inline with the normal news without at least a little disclaimer is a bit on the sleazy side. and I hope MU is giving more money to developers this time around. those are pretty big companies, with the tech tool pro guys and such so I'm sure they know what they're doing.
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..... go on you know you want too I'm sure someone has already answered this but I will chime in anyways. No, $5,000 is not necessarily better than $0. You are forgetting a major part of software, which is support costs. Do you know how long it would take a 1 person mac shop to respond to 9,000 support emails a day? That's where the $5,000 vs $0 makes a huge difference. Making no money on a certain event is many times much better than making a bit of quick cash and then having to deal with thousands upon thousands of support requests.
If you have that many support emails, you have a major problem with your software. However, if you had 100 support emails in a day, you're hurting nonetheless. If you're software isn't mature enough for a mass market campaign, then ya better not release for one.
Whilst tribulation is exaggerating a bit on the number 17,000 new customers will generate more than 100. And this does not make you a bad developer. You may be a savvy user but you would be amazed at some of the dilbert emails you get when you are dealing with support emails. Support indy devs is not just technical but also sales, website general questions etc.
Yes, I exaggerated a bit to make the point. But as you mentioned there are tons of other jobs that an indy dev must do. Out of just 1,000 new users I can guarantee no matter how good your software is, you will get tons of questions.
From the "The download link doesn't work" [answer: you are using IE 4 on the Mac] to the "The program doesn't open" [answer: you forgot to turn the computer on]. Those really are common types of questions that one must deal with every day. With a massive amount of new customers, there WILL be questions. probably lots of them.
so again no, $0 is not always better than $5,000. It all depends on the scale. if the devs are making hundreds of thousands of dollars instead of just $5,000 [for example's sake] on a normally priced $8 program. they have it made. Scale that down price wise, and up the number of users and the scale tips pretty quickly.
Chances of unlocking the extra apps...
Just so you know, the chances are good that all the apps will be unlocked. Based on the number sold so far and watching the number go up for a little while know, sales are clocking in around 1 sale / minute which would put total sales well over 10k. Once 4k is reached, sales will probably start happening faster because the message will spread and the deal will be sweeter.
I also want to thank eenu for hijacking this thread for his personal crusade. I wouldn't have followed this thread and registered for the forum if he wasn't so strongly opinionated and slightly outrageous.
I'm amazed that you have so much time to post on this forum, eenu!
FWIW - I think it's macrumors' duty to report deals like this one. If macrumors couldn't be trusted to report on all deals like this that come up, I would have to go looking elsewhere to get the scoop. That would be bad. I don't want to have to look in ten places for the scoop. It's even better that macrumors can do some promotion in the process. A business that knows how to promote itself can be trusted to stick around to play in the marketplace tomorrow.
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Just so you know, the chances are good that all the apps will be unlocked. Based on the number sold so far and watching the number go up for a little while know, sales are clocking in around 1 sale / minute which would put total sales well over 10k. Once 4k is reached, sales will probably start happening faster because the message will spread and the deal will be sweeter.
I also want to thank eenu for hijacking this thread for his personal crusade. I wouldn't have followed this thread and registered for the forum if he wasn't so strongly opinionated and slightly outrageous.
I'm amazed that you have so much time to post on this forum, eenu!
FWIW - I think it's macrumors' duty to report deals like this one. If macrumors couldn't be trusted to report on all deals like this that come up, I would have to go looking elsewhere to get the scoop. That would be bad. I don't want to have to look in ten places for the scoop. It's even better that macrumors can do some promotion in the process. A business that knows how to promote itself can be trusted to stick around to play in the marketplace tomorrow.
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Yawn.... my personal crusade huh? Really and what have i achieved from this thread apart from discovering people want everything for nothing?
Obviously the mac community is expanding and getting full of a different kind of person compared to the old days, **** happens eh!
You obviously need to read the thread properly as well as there are a number of people that agree with me.
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Thanks eenu,
Left to my own devices, I would probably have passed on this offer. However, your pompous, sanctimonious drivel persuaded me to take a closer look at the object of your derision. Macupdate have sold another bundle and it's all thanks to you!
Left to my own devices, I would probably have passed on this offer. However, your pompous, sanctimonious drivel persuaded me to take a closer look at the object of your derision. Macupdate have sold another bundle and it's all thanks to you!
You've achieved to annoy me, at least. I'm not actually saying I'm glad those devs got "tricked" on something completely legal, after all, they had the choice, no one put a gun to their head. What I'm saying though is, after reporting what Mac Heist did, which many of us probably did not know about, you kept on spamming the thread, something extremely annoying and worth of the tag "Trolling".
No but seriously, keep going, I'm sure that by now someone still doesn't know about what happened with the first bundle and it's your job to make sure they all know, and this thread is the perfect place to do it because it's going to get to everyone in the community, especially since it's already ruined.
Don't take me wrong, I'm not mad, just annoyed, I actually stopped reading the thread several hours ago and came back thinking this would be voer by now and some more interesting discussion about the apps and their worth would be going on, but that's wishing too much, some really have the time to ruin it for everyone else.
It really sounds like you have ulterior motives.
You have a point, but greed is just one of the seven deadly sins. let's not forget vanity. Being holier than thou is just plain off-putting.
Honestly, I can't understand how to judge Phill and the others over this. I have no idea how much work they put into the whole MacHeist business, but I will make a couple of points...
People who take risks do deserve to be paid when their risks pay off. That's how venture capitalism works... and it works a lot better than other economic systems. Yes, people get carried away and they have to be stopped. This is not even remotely one of those cases.
When you give someone a flat fee for something, you take 100% of the risk. you could totally end up paying them $5k out of your own pocket if things go south. And that's what Phill & Co. did. It's unusual, but not remotely unfair. the fact that they seem to have hit it big is, well, a matter of perspective.
One thing to remember is, this is not destroying anyone. the developers got away with $5,000, and a number of them seem to have noted increased sales as well. They may be servicing user requests on licenses that they aren't making much off, but that is their investment in their software's future.
I really think that all of you guys should consider that these guys got paid $5-$15,000 to have their software promoted. They paid for the promotion with "practically given away" license sales. supporting those, which may take awhile for some time, still probably isn't going to cost (in terms of man hours, which is a pretty abstract concept for developers who are probably self-employed) near what it would cost to put an ad in MacWorld, get software professionally reviewed, etc.
But then, that's a gamble. That's the gamble that the developers take. And I really, really doubt, somehow, that if MacHeist were a total flop, and failed to "break even," that the developers would all be sending their money back to Phill.
Seriously, if you have a problem with this, I darn well better not find any "sweatshop t-shirts" in your closet, and you better be buying bio-diesel for your car that wasn't manufactured by a car company that's screwing it's lowest paid employees that actually do "most of the work." I mean, you couldn't possibly be dealing with Shell or ExxonMobil if you won't buy from Phill Ryu & Co.
@shadowfax.... my trainers have holes in, i am wearing a top i bought in 1999 and i walk everywhere
@shadowfax.... my trainers have holes in, i am wearing a top i bought in 1999 and i walk everywhere
And you missed my point. Unless you're living in a shack, don't own a computer (much less an Apple computer, have you seen their sadistic profit margins!?), don't connect to the internet, and don't own a TV with cable, and have never bought anything made in China, it's all the same. Oil barons and clothing sweatshops are just examples. But thanks for proving my point.
Also, I thought MacHeist was kinda dumb (just all around), and I didn't participate. I paid full price for CandyBar, ShapeShifter, and soon will pay for Super Duper! (which I discovered bundled on a hard drive I bought from MCETech). My company bought me Fetch and BBEdit. I love them all.
I am seriously considering this one, because I want TechTool Pro and don't think that the way I would use it remotely justifies spending $100. To top that off, I actually bought it for like $80 4 years ago, and was kind of disappointed (it was still very OS 9-ey at the time, when OS X was a little young). I've also lost the CD (bought it in a box), so I can't get the upgrade price.
No i understood i was jesting with you. Though one reason i continued to by apple was after the published review on their treatment of the asian workforce.
Oh I can't help myself.. Please forgive me if it strikes me as funny that you claim to have discovered that people want everything for nothing.
Let it be written in the history texts! The heretofore unknown fact has been uncovered by profound investigative questioning! So many mysteries of life have been solved! Now we know why the lottery corporations make billions of dollars! Now we understand the phenomenon of gambling! We comprehend how dollar stores work, and why millions of young men spend all day playing computer games and not working! INCREDIBLE! What will become of the world now that this hidden fact has come to light?!?!
(Please forgive me if the previous paragraph comes across as mocking. I intend no disrespect but I think that humor in the way you said what you said is just too awesome to pass up.)
Thanks!
it's amazing how i get contacted my people related to the promotion then newbies join and flame me
Guess that is utter coincidence......
Guess that is utter coincidence......
I'm thinking something must be different this time around regarding the deal the developers get.
There was so much hubub over the MacHeist deal last time around. There's now a number of devs in the Mac community who've been involved in schemes such as this. Since the community seems rather tight-knit, I'd imagine those involved this time around may well have conversed with those in the previous similar deals and gained some knowledge about their experiences both in the immediate aftermath and the months after.
Now, although we're free to comment on the apparent pros and cons of this deal (for the devs), the devs themselves are free to (or not to) take part.
I'm also quite intrigued by the involvement of Micromat (the developers of TechTool Pro). Micromat are a very established company. I'd imagine they have quite a fine revenue source by way of Apple's distribution of TechTool Deluxe with every AppleCare purchase.
As for MacRumors' association with the scheme.... well, if it's good enough for Micromat and Lemke Software, then I think it's good enough for MR
Just to clarify, I wasn't a fan of the first batch of these schemes, especially after John Gruber's breakdown of the apparent figures on daringfireball.net. Something did seem a little off. However, assuming there's been absolutely full disclosure on the terms between the organisers of this scheme and the developers involved (and also, the supporting organisations such as MacRumors), then I do not see it as being my business to criticise. If the devs are entering into a scheme of their own volition, having all the details to hand, then it is entirely (quite literally) their business. Should it go terribly wrong and they get their fingers burnt, it's wholly their responsibility. But I trust that they've weighed up the possible outcomes, run the numbers and considered what effect this will have on their ongoing operations. Good luck to them.
There was so much hubub over the MacHeist deal last time around. There's now a number of devs in the Mac community who've been involved in schemes such as this. Since the community seems rather tight-knit, I'd imagine those involved this time around may well have conversed with those in the previous similar deals and gained some knowledge about their experiences both in the immediate aftermath and the months after.
Now, although we're free to comment on the apparent pros and cons of this deal (for the devs), the devs themselves are free to (or not to) take part.
I'm also quite intrigued by the involvement of Micromat (the developers of TechTool Pro). Micromat are a very established company. I'd imagine they have quite a fine revenue source by way of Apple's distribution of TechTool Deluxe with every AppleCare purchase.
As for MacRumors' association with the scheme.... well, if it's good enough for Micromat and Lemke Software, then I think it's good enough for MR
Just to clarify, I wasn't a fan of the first batch of these schemes, especially after John Gruber's breakdown of the apparent figures on daringfireball.net. Something did seem a little off. However, assuming there's been absolutely full disclosure on the terms between the organisers of this scheme and the developers involved (and also, the supporting organisations such as MacRumors), then I do not see it as being my business to criticise. If the devs are entering into a scheme of their own volition, having all the details to hand, then it is entirely (quite literally) their business. Should it go terribly wrong and they get their fingers burnt, it's wholly their responsibility. But I trust that they've weighed up the possible outcomes, run the numbers and considered what effect this will have on their ongoing operations. Good luck to them.
I don't have any problem with this marketing model, and I might well have bought into this bundle, but I am completely put off by it activating my camera.
It didn't take me long to realize it wasn't actually sending video, but by then I was peeved and there's no way I'm in a buying mood. What the hell were they thinking?
It didn't take me long to realize it wasn't actually sending video, but by then I was peeved and there's no way I'm in a buying mood. What the hell were they thinking?