That's because it's not true. Jobs himself has stated that they aren't adding BluRay yet because the licensing is a "bag of hurt" at the moment.
I'm guessing it's a real pain and they probably can't come to an agreement.
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I'm guessing it's a real pain and they probably can't come to an agreement.
I Don't Think You Guys Get It
Apple was trading at around $15 before the iPod became ubiquitous.
Now it's at $90 and was much higher before the economic implosion.
Apple is now, first and foremost, and MP3/Cellphone maker/Music Retailer.
Computer hardware has fallen far, far down the priority list. I wouldn't be surprised if gestures have been made to just axe the personal computer business altogether. It is not nearly as profitable as the high-margin gadgets. Having to keep Apple Stores opened and stocked with machines and "geniuses" across the nation is expensive, and is reflected in the price of the machines. My $3,500 MPB was a $2,000 Dell, and Dell's extended warranty fixes accidental breakage and spills. I needed GarageBand and a Unix video editing platform though. Windows won't cut it ... so I pay the Apple tax.
In June of 2007, I bought a quad-core Dell with an 8800GTX and 1TB (with monitor) drive for roughly what a 4GB 8800GT iMac costs today ... in 2009.
I just don't have the nerve to make a Hackintosh yet. One of these days, there will be a Linux audio and video program that is ready for prime-time. When this happens, I seriously doubt I will buy Apple. Windows is fine for prodoctivity and games, but it eats the corn out of my crap for audio/video editing.
I have an eight year old Inspiron 8000 that still works fine as an "abuse it" netbook in the field.
These days, Apple machines come directly from China, and are made with the same commodity Intel and Nvidia hardware. Hardware superiority is a myth. There are tons of beautiful computers out there, and at the same price point, most of them are spec'ed far better than the Macs.
That's really just a fact. In May I bought a $700 HP laptop with a 320GB 5400RPM HD, and the largest I could get on my 17" MBP in August was 300GB at 4200RPM.
And the MBP cost me 4 times as much.
Yes, I need UNIX that bad.
The point is, I don't think Apple is terribly worried about the Macintosh platform going forward. If people remain loyal to it, that's great. They don't really need to push the best hardware in the machines.
They could put a 100Mhz Pentium in the thing, a 10Gb Hard Drive, 64Mb RAM and call it the "Mac Retro".
And do you now what?
The things would go flying off the shelves. Apple would be touted as geniuses for the "simplicity".
Sure, there would be some moaning and groaning, but every iPerson in the Mac cult would clamor for the things.
When you have customers that are loyal to a fault, and who will rationalize ANY move by a company, you don't need to try.
Put out some high-margin, second-tier hardware, slap the half-eaten apple on it, put it in the white store, and it will sell. Period.
People like us will debate the issue all day, but in the end, they will sell.
I know they will sell, you know they will sell, Apple knows they will sell.
And if not ... who cares.
I really doubt that Apple does.
The iPod/iPhone market will keep the executives flush with cash beyond their wildest dreams.
The ONLY reason Apple continues to make hardware is because they still have people willing buy old hardware for twice the price. If customers began demanding the hardware they pay for, Apple would go out of the computer business tomorrow.
And as long as we keep accepting dual cores instead of quads, and runner-up video cards, and lack of blueray as "top of the line hardware" ... they will gladly oblige.
Hell, who wouldn't.
In the end, we have nobody but ourselves to blame. I include myself in that group. I've been an Apple enabler, but only because I haven't had the time to code a proper Linux video editing suite.
OSX is glorifies Linux, and uses a BSD kernel, so it's not revolutionary in any sense of the word ... but it's got commercial hardware support.
People who buy Apple because it's pretty, shiny, or cool ... and have little need beyond web surfing, word processing, photos, email, and basic things here and there ... are the reason that we don't have quad-core MBP's and iMacs.
Even when I was shopping for Mac Pro Workstations in 2007 when I bought the Dell, the best video cards Apple offered were 7300's. I am glad I did not get a Mac Pro as recently as 18 months ago.
We aren't going to get quad cores and massive updates until they are selling them in Acer's andEmachine's first.
And when we do get them, we will pay "initial release" prices for them.
I just don't see the motivation on the part of Apple to do anything else.
We'll buy what they sell.
If they stamp an Apple logo on the side of a dog turd, they'll sell at least 10,000 units.
In my honest opinion, Apple cultists have gravely harmed the Macintosh line by providing endless streams of justification and acting as obsessive mouthpieces for a company that is no more altruistic than any other for-profit corporation on the planet.
Apple was trading at around $15 before the iPod became ubiquitous.
Now it's at $90 and was much higher before the economic implosion.
Apple is now, first and foremost, and MP3/Cellphone maker/Music Retailer.
Computer hardware has fallen far, far down the priority list. I wouldn't be surprised if gestures have been made to just axe the personal computer business altogether. It is not nearly as profitable as the high-margin gadgets. Having to keep Apple Stores opened and stocked with machines and "geniuses" across the nation is expensive, and is reflected in the price of the machines. My $3,500 MPB was a $2,000 Dell, and Dell's extended warranty fixes accidental breakage and spills. I needed GarageBand and a Unix video editing platform though. Windows won't cut it ... so I pay the Apple tax.
In June of 2007, I bought a quad-core Dell with an 8800GTX and 1TB (with monitor) drive for roughly what a 4GB 8800GT iMac costs today ... in 2009.
I just don't have the nerve to make a Hackintosh yet. One of these days, there will be a Linux audio and video program that is ready for prime-time. When this happens, I seriously doubt I will buy Apple. Windows is fine for prodoctivity and games, but it eats the corn out of my crap for audio/video editing.
I have an eight year old Inspiron 8000 that still works fine as an "abuse it" netbook in the field.
These days, Apple machines come directly from China, and are made with the same commodity Intel and Nvidia hardware. Hardware superiority is a myth. There are tons of beautiful computers out there, and at the same price point, most of them are spec'ed far better than the Macs.
That's really just a fact. In May I bought a $700 HP laptop with a 320GB 5400RPM HD, and the largest I could get on my 17" MBP in August was 300GB at 4200RPM.
And the MBP cost me 4 times as much.
Yes, I need UNIX that bad.
The point is, I don't think Apple is terribly worried about the Macintosh platform going forward. If people remain loyal to it, that's great. They don't really need to push the best hardware in the machines.
They could put a 100Mhz Pentium in the thing, a 10Gb Hard Drive, 64Mb RAM and call it the "Mac Retro".
And do you now what?
The things would go flying off the shelves. Apple would be touted as geniuses for the "simplicity".
Sure, there would be some moaning and groaning, but every iPerson in the Mac cult would clamor for the things.
When you have customers that are loyal to a fault, and who will rationalize ANY move by a company, you don't need to try.
Put out some high-margin, second-tier hardware, slap the half-eaten apple on it, put it in the white store, and it will sell. Period.
People like us will debate the issue all day, but in the end, they will sell.
I know they will sell, you know they will sell, Apple knows they will sell.
And if not ... who cares.
I really doubt that Apple does.
The iPod/iPhone market will keep the executives flush with cash beyond their wildest dreams.
The ONLY reason Apple continues to make hardware is because they still have people willing buy old hardware for twice the price. If customers began demanding the hardware they pay for, Apple would go out of the computer business tomorrow.
And as long as we keep accepting dual cores instead of quads, and runner-up video cards, and lack of blueray as "top of the line hardware" ... they will gladly oblige.
Hell, who wouldn't.
In the end, we have nobody but ourselves to blame. I include myself in that group. I've been an Apple enabler, but only because I haven't had the time to code a proper Linux video editing suite.
OSX is glorifies Linux, and uses a BSD kernel, so it's not revolutionary in any sense of the word ... but it's got commercial hardware support.
People who buy Apple because it's pretty, shiny, or cool ... and have little need beyond web surfing, word processing, photos, email, and basic things here and there ... are the reason that we don't have quad-core MBP's and iMacs.
Even when I was shopping for Mac Pro Workstations in 2007 when I bought the Dell, the best video cards Apple offered were 7300's. I am glad I did not get a Mac Pro as recently as 18 months ago.
We aren't going to get quad cores and massive updates until they are selling them in Acer's andEmachine's first.
And when we do get them, we will pay "initial release" prices for them.
I just don't see the motivation on the part of Apple to do anything else.
We'll buy what they sell.
If they stamp an Apple logo on the side of a dog turd, they'll sell at least 10,000 units.
In my honest opinion, Apple cultists have gravely harmed the Macintosh line by providing endless streams of justification and acting as obsessive mouthpieces for a company that is no more altruistic than any other for-profit corporation on the planet.
Hi,
Given that Apple did nothing for the 20th anniversary of the Mac or the 25th anniversary of Apple, I would have to agree with you that nothing will happen this up coming anniversary.
s.
sweet, no more Macworld
Great point.
I'm happy Apple is taking a step towards controlling the hype that was spinning out of control.
Had the new products been announced on Apple's own terms, at a lower key event, and as more or less a complete surprise, I think we'd more of us would be pretty happy about them.
Plus, as I think a few people mentioned earlier, this means we can all stay glued to the boards 365 days a year (if you arent already) as opposed to just in the run up to the annual events.
Well, maybe that's not good news.
Great point.
I'm happy Apple is taking a step towards controlling the hype that was spinning out of control.
Had the new products been announced on Apple's own terms, at a lower key event, and as more or less a complete surprise, I think we'd more of us would be pretty happy about them.
Plus, as I think a few people mentioned earlier, this means we can all stay glued to the boards 365 days a year (if you arent already) as opposed to just in the run up to the annual events.
Well, maybe that's not good news.
You'll want to do some more research. The Quadro 4600 was the "best" video card offered. Even the X1900 was better than the 7300 and available at the same time.
There won't be Blu-ray before about 2015. For an explanation why, ask me. I'll repost my reasoning.
Good point
Yeah, I completely agree. That's why I said the new features don't justify an upgrade for me. For others, buying it for the first time, or who are more impressed with the new features, it will make perfect sense.
Yeah, I completely agree. That's why I said the new features don't justify an upgrade for me. For others, buying it for the first time, or who are more impressed with the new features, it will make perfect sense.
Whining
I made it through four pages of whining. If there was ever a reason to kill Apple's MacWorld appearance it's this keynote and all the incessant whining that comes along with it.
I was impressed with the new improvements to iLife and iWork. I will be upgrading my copies. The new 17" MBP is nice and 8GB of RAM is tempting me.
But of course there is a huge disconnect between expectations of a MacWorld keynote and Apple's patient but steady product improvements. No keynote means that Apple will release these products as they are ready and in a venue appropriate for them.
I am more interested now in how Apple will choose to release a new updated mini. I'm actually glad it didn't show up because that suggests a whole media event dedicated to it -- and that implies more than just a new case or improved internals. How about a whole new product line based on it?
Apple is a patient company, but mac fanatics are not.
In the future how will Apple introduce their software updates? Product upgrades? New product categories? This is what I'm most intrigued by.
I made it through four pages of whining. If there was ever a reason to kill Apple's MacWorld appearance it's this keynote and all the incessant whining that comes along with it.
I was impressed with the new improvements to iLife and iWork. I will be upgrading my copies. The new 17" MBP is nice and 8GB of RAM is tempting me.
But of course there is a huge disconnect between expectations of a MacWorld keynote and Apple's patient but steady product improvements. No keynote means that Apple will release these products as they are ready and in a venue appropriate for them.
I am more interested now in how Apple will choose to release a new updated mini. I'm actually glad it didn't show up because that suggests a whole media event dedicated to it -- and that implies more than just a new case or improved internals. How about a whole new product line based on it?
Apple is a patient company, but mac fanatics are not.
In the future how will Apple introduce their software updates? Product upgrades? New product categories? This is what I'm most intrigued by.
Individual media events like the ones they've been giving the iPods in September every year, for years, and the ones for the iMac and laptops in 2007 and 2008, respectively.
This means that Apple will be giving the Mac Pro its own event. That's beautiful, in my eyes.
I agree. Each event will be a surprise and have a particular focus. I was suggesting in my questions the posibility that Apple might alter these events.
For example, they keep focusing comments on their retail stores and mentioned them in the cancelation explanation. Software updates might find an interesting introduction at all Apple Stores with some kind of synchronized event, product demo, tutorial sessions, ect.
I'm betting they go way beyond what they have been doing with a whole new paradigm in marketing their products.
You really think the Mac Pro will get its own media event? Unlike the laptop lines, I see it as kind of a niche product, i.e., new models won't exactly be flying out of Apple stores.
And the mini has been Apple's neglected stepchild for so long it's hard to see them reversing course and making it the centerpiece of a media event either.
And the mini has been Apple's neglected stepchild for so long it's hard to see them reversing course and making it the centerpiece of a media event either.
THE professional workstation is a niche?! How DARE you.
If there is a case redesign, and I can't imagine why there would need to be, it will get an event.
I have to agree, maybe now apple will be able to hold events when products are ready, instead of rushing to get things done on someone elses timetable...
Although apple may still hold events which don't give us everything we're looking for (especially for professionals) but I suppose there's an argument for always leaving your audience wanting more!
Perhaps the products we were hoping for just aren't ready yet... But I still remain hopeful that they will be... One day...!
That keynote is the worst ever. I decided to watch "Coming to America" for the 100th time. Not to mention that I have seen it just last week, and it was much more interesting than the keynote.
It does seem that the uber consumer side of Apple has come out and taken over the product line.
It does seem that the uber consumer side of Apple has come out and taken over the product line.
They will update the iMac and the mini with the new Nvidia graphics chips and perhaps more and large hard drive options for the mini. But because the updates aren't sexy (ie. it looks different, major new features etc.) they will roll it out in a couple of weeks on Apple.com and that's it. They always do this.
Let me guess, you live alone and have no financial responsibilities other than making rent and buying new toys.
Sorry, but that was a pretty prick thing to say as I'm sure many have already pointed out. And I'm sure there are plenty of contractors who get paid by the hour and make your salary look like chump change.
Worse ever?
Worse than Amelio?
Darn close if not.. but yeah.. "Even the small talk will be BIG".. LOL
The whole thing dragged and dragged.. the Pirillo MST3K wannabee event even dropped when the second video started showing. Heck, even the video on batteries was just droll ..
Sorry to say, as it wasn't for MacRumors, but the best thing about the keynote was the hack.
Worse than Amelio?
Darn close if not.. but yeah.. "Even the small talk will be BIG".. LOL
The whole thing dragged and dragged.. the Pirillo MST3K wannabee event even dropped when the second video started showing. Heck, even the video on batteries was just droll ..
Sorry to say, as it wasn't for MacRumors, but the best thing about the keynote was the hack.
Thank you to jaw04005 for the outline!
But everyone still has to admit that this was by far the lamest MacWorld Keynote in recent history..... well ok maybe MW 04 was a close runner up.
The 17" MacBook Pro did not need to have a spot as #3 at MW this year. Everyone knew it was coming and everyone knew what it was going to offer in a round about way. It was a ho-hum product to release. Sure the integrated battery is a nice touch since it nearly doubled the user time and a lot of people can stop pissing and moaning about the glossy glass screen finally, but come on....
You know what surprised me though, was the fact that there were no hidden updates to the Store after the Keynote. Such as when the AirPort Extreme got an update and some pricing was adjusted here and there.
Holy crap... gotta be one of the funniest posts I read today.
But everyone still has to admit that this was by far the lamest MacWorld Keynote in recent history..... well ok maybe MW 04 was a close runner up.
The 17" MacBook Pro did not need to have a spot as #3 at MW this year. Everyone knew it was coming and everyone knew what it was going to offer in a round about way. It was a ho-hum product to release. Sure the integrated battery is a nice touch since it nearly doubled the user time and a lot of people can stop pissing and moaning about the glossy glass screen finally, but come on....
You know what surprised me though, was the fact that there were no hidden updates to the Store after the Keynote. Such as when the AirPort Extreme got an update and some pricing was adjusted here and there.
Holy crap... gotta be one of the funniest posts I read today.
All I can say is this
http://uk.reuters.com/article/technologyNewsMolt/idUKTRE50565020090107
All I can say is this:
Apple had better get its lying crap together and start making cutting edge high end workstations and displays OR the steady stream of truly pro content creators leaving the platform will grow to a tsunami.
I WAS ONBOARD when Amiga went in the toilet and it NEVER treated its high end customers the way Apple treats theirs. Cinema Displays without a single update in two YEARS; Mac Pros that can't write or author Blu-ray a full year after the war was won (and even I could see Blu-ray was going to win a year before that).
There isn't one high-end product on the macrumours "Do Not Buy-Update Soon" list that hasn't been that way for almost nine months, and many for more than eighteen.
Apple has devolved itself into a swap meet hawker of cheap overpriced iCrap for kiddies. (Oh goodie, Wal-Mart sells iPhones... we're saved!).
And as I and legions of others bitched and bitched and predicted MANY times in these forums on many threads for more than a year now, it absolutely WOULD start cutting into the BOTTOM LINE, and by God, it has.
And now Macworld, and nothing. NO-THING.
This company is running on dying momentum; not a damn thing more.
Fanbois and shills and scared stockowners be damned; Apple is just about an inch away from the cliff, and there will be no turning back.
Coming from Amiga to what I THOUGHT would CONTINUE to be a superior platform to Windoze, I'm afraid I was wrong and suckered yet AGAIN.
This morning's macfixit? No fix for current loud pops on the current incarnations of Leopard on external speakers. WTF? You have any idea what that means in a recording studio?
Apple, I will be very sorry to see you go, for what you were and what you could have continued to be.
But not for a single second missing the lying iGadget iCrap hawker corporate desperate liars you ended up being.
And yes, they are even lying about Jobs' health instead of telling the truth that might save some idiots' lives who might actually quit filling their lives with smoke; he's dying; accept it.
And taking Apple with him.
And if I didn't give such a damn I wouldn't be raving and opening myself up to every idiotic retort here.
Maybe, just maybe someone will have an aha moment and maybe quit friggin' smoking, or regarding the company, have a similar aha moment and START MAKING COMPUTERS AGAIN PEOPLE NEED TODAY AND YESTERDAY, and quit dreaming about what things will be like a decade hence.
Lose your high-end customers permanently today, and YOU WON'T BE AROUND IN FIVE YEARS TIME to implement your grand futurist dreams.
Word to the unwise. At Apple and worldwide.
It's too late for Steve Jobs. It's NOT too late for everyone else.
I don't know whether or not it's too late for Apple. Even Blu-ray playback, authoring, and burning at this point is playing catch-up.
Apple missed the boat by going after the quick fix temporary "instantly-obsolete/quickly replaced" gadget market and letting their high end workstation market take a huge hit.
I don't know whether they will recover or not. Amiga bombed without ever doing anything so stupidly suicidal.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/technologyNewsMolt/idUKTRE50565020090107
All I can say is this:
Apple had better get its lying crap together and start making cutting edge high end workstations and displays OR the steady stream of truly pro content creators leaving the platform will grow to a tsunami.
I WAS ONBOARD when Amiga went in the toilet and it NEVER treated its high end customers the way Apple treats theirs. Cinema Displays without a single update in two YEARS; Mac Pros that can't write or author Blu-ray a full year after the war was won (and even I could see Blu-ray was going to win a year before that).
There isn't one high-end product on the macrumours "Do Not Buy-Update Soon" list that hasn't been that way for almost nine months, and many for more than eighteen.
Apple has devolved itself into a swap meet hawker of cheap overpriced iCrap for kiddies. (Oh goodie, Wal-Mart sells iPhones... we're saved!).
And as I and legions of others bitched and bitched and predicted MANY times in these forums on many threads for more than a year now, it absolutely WOULD start cutting into the BOTTOM LINE, and by God, it has.
And now Macworld, and nothing. NO-THING.
This company is running on dying momentum; not a damn thing more.
Fanbois and shills and scared stockowners be damned; Apple is just about an inch away from the cliff, and there will be no turning back.
Coming from Amiga to what I THOUGHT would CONTINUE to be a superior platform to Windoze, I'm afraid I was wrong and suckered yet AGAIN.
This morning's macfixit? No fix for current loud pops on the current incarnations of Leopard on external speakers. WTF? You have any idea what that means in a recording studio?
Apple, I will be very sorry to see you go, for what you were and what you could have continued to be.
But not for a single second missing the lying iGadget iCrap hawker corporate desperate liars you ended up being.
And yes, they are even lying about Jobs' health instead of telling the truth that might save some idiots' lives who might actually quit filling their lives with smoke; he's dying; accept it.
And taking Apple with him.
And if I didn't give such a damn I wouldn't be raving and opening myself up to every idiotic retort here.
Maybe, just maybe someone will have an aha moment and maybe quit friggin' smoking, or regarding the company, have a similar aha moment and START MAKING COMPUTERS AGAIN PEOPLE NEED TODAY AND YESTERDAY, and quit dreaming about what things will be like a decade hence.
Lose your high-end customers permanently today, and YOU WON'T BE AROUND IN FIVE YEARS TIME to implement your grand futurist dreams.
Word to the unwise. At Apple and worldwide.
It's too late for Steve Jobs. It's NOT too late for everyone else.
I don't know whether or not it's too late for Apple. Even Blu-ray playback, authoring, and burning at this point is playing catch-up.
Apple missed the boat by going after the quick fix temporary "instantly-obsolete/quickly replaced" gadget market and letting their high end workstation market take a huge hit.
I don't know whether they will recover or not. Amiga bombed without ever doing anything so stupidly suicidal.
No.. YOU want a Blu-Ray option. Apple is a forward thinking company, and Blu-Ray is not the future. Digital Distribution (DD) is.. whether you like it or not.
In terms of entertainment (not media storage) DVD Sales will trump Blu-Ray sales until the day that DD overtakes it. Blu-Ray will never be #1. The quality may be inferior to Blu-Ray right now, and it may be that way for a long time, but the ease of use, cost, and environmental impacts of leaving hard formats behind far outweigh the argument for a single disc for each movie.
Complain away if you want... but take a look at what Apple did for MP3 players and MP3 sales online. They have a proven track record, and the ability to make DD mainstream. I'm all for it.
In terms of entertainment (not media storage) DVD Sales will trump Blu-Ray sales until the day that DD overtakes it. Blu-Ray will never be #1. The quality may be inferior to Blu-Ray right now, and it may be that way for a long time, but the ease of use, cost, and environmental impacts of leaving hard formats behind far outweigh the argument for a single disc for each movie.
Complain away if you want... but take a look at what Apple did for MP3 players and MP3 sales online. They have a proven track record, and the ability to make DD mainstream. I'm all for it.
The infamous Apple Gaping Lineup Hole still big as ever...
Otherwise known as the AGLH.
The event was an utter let down. As for all my time I spent keeping track of things leading up to the event, I feel it is wasted time that I will never get back.
I think I may build a system and boot with EFI-X.
Thanks for nothing, Apple.
Otherwise known as the AGLH.
The event was an utter let down. As for all my time I spent keeping track of things leading up to the event, I feel it is wasted time that I will never get back.
I think I may build a system and boot with EFI-X.
Thanks for nothing, Apple.
Now we know why Steve didn't want to give the keynote. He didn't want all the disappointed iMac & Mini fans to direct their collective anger at him. He threw Phil under the bus on this one.
If I'm not mistaken, there was more applause during that keynote than a lot of Steve's.
You can be SO forward-thinking that you have NOTHING ANYONE WANTS OR NEEDS TODAY.
QUIT being such a friggin' blind unthinking fanboi. Internet delivery home speeds will not be anywhere NEAR what it will take to deliver a Blu-ray movie in less than a full day, for at LEAST EIGHT YEARS.
Make that TWELVE YEARS worldwide. And in some parts of the world, NEVER.
And with the governments of the world taking more and more steps to control the internet, your and Steve's futuristic vision of FREE FIRST-RUN BLU-RAY DIGITAL MOVIES through torrent distribution ain't never gonna happen.
NE-VER.
Oh, people may TRY to find a workaround to steal, but this time, they're not gonna pull it off.
Reality. Live with it.