Macworld 2009 Keynote Stream Available

[xbjllb]

Music will never die. Sure, there's a lot of piracy going on, but looking at all the CDs that were sold at my retail store over the holiday season, I can tell you that there are still lots of people buying CDs and music. The record companies want you to believe they're going bankrupt, but it's just not true. Their profits are down, but they are still profiting.

Oh, absolutely. By raping new bands and making it virtually impossible for them to have more than a two-year career. If they're lucky enough to get a hit out of the 1st release.

When the truth finally sinks in that a record deal is the kiss of death for a lifelong music career and you're better off without one, see how much pitch-corrected Britney Spears and Ashlee Simpson you can stand to live off of.

The music industry is as terminal as Steve Jobs and Patrick Swayze.

 

[xbjllb]

As far as how long it takes to deliver a blu-ray movie...I don't think anyone is going to try to deliver that kind of quality online in quite a while so I don't see it as a problem. I've read articles and statistics showing that the majority of people (who will download movies rather than rent or buy them physically) are willing to accept quality loss in the programming to get it instantly, and digitally, and that number is only going up.

Thank you yet AGAIN for weighing in with the hopeful thief downloaders' wet dream. Who will settle for ANY lapse of quality "because, Dude, it's free."

If you think that torrent downloading will be around forever, or that something will come along to replace it, you're sadly mistaken.

When someone lets the barn door open once too often, the solution is to nail it shut.

And don't kid yourself, it WILL be shut.

2nd of all, people aren't going to settle for DIVx compression when watching movies on their $15,000 50". Home theater is NOT about compression artifacts.

Bottom line man, is that you can pretend all you want that Blu-Ray is going to become the king that DVD is, but you're only fooling yourself. The same way that music moved online, movies will as well.

And now you say DVD is King? I thought DD was. Well, which is it?

So tell us, what was your economic stake in HD DVD that you lost when it tanked? Enquiring minds want to know why you have such a problem with the highly logical progression from DVD to Blu-ray and THEN to DD that you lose all sense of your logic and your position.

Bottom line: MAC HIGH-END PRO PURCHASE CONTENT CREATORS NEEDED BLU-RAY DELIVERY YES-TER-DAY.

 

[xbjllb]

Let the corporate musicians stop playing. We'll survive.

I promise.

We sure will. Because people will never be able to find us to WANT to steal our music in the first place past all the corporate crap.

And I sure hope you will enjoy that straight job you will be working at to finance your own music-making on the Apple platform, once you realize that people would rather steal crap they hear constantly than buy real music they never get to hear through the flak.

 

[iasky]

The future is not now. I'm in the stock market NOW. I think stock owners took their vote on what they think about the keynote. Before keynote 96,80$ right after keynote 90,50$ now that is what I call a f#ç§ up.

But as Apple has brilliant strategies, they know that far out expectations will kill stock in short term, so they are going to take matters in their own hands. No more unrealistic expectations. Only keynotes when they are ready.

I only hoped that a new MacPro was popping up just before the keynote. I hope it won't take long. I can wait 'till february, then the cash goes somewhere else. As if they care ;o)

The stock market is a multifactorial beast just like the weather. If we could predict how the market would react, we'd all be billionaires. Hell Apple's stock went down on news of their best year ever. I doubt investors care too much about what was released at Macworld and unless you are a day trader, it's not even worth a gander.

 

[curmi]

This blu-ray thing. I don't want it personally - I have a PS3 and watch movies from that.

BUT that doesn't mean I don't think it should be an option. In fact, I'm embarrassed it isn't an option, because I thought Apple machines were about being cutting edge.

Clearly there are people who want Blu-ray. It may be a small minority, but so were people wanting DVD burners at one point. And don't forget, Apple was VERY late in adding CD burners to their machines - Steve even said so at a keynote that they'd made a mistake in not seeing that trend.

The trouble with the Mac world is that you are stuck relying on Apple for hardware if you want it integrated. In the PC world, you would just buy another brand of computer that had a Blu-ray drive.

Because Apple control the hardware and the software, I think they need to be more aware of the needs and desires of their users. And let's face it, the only real reason that Apple doesn't have Blu-ray is because they want to sell their lesser quality HD movies through digital downloads. That in itself is doing a disservice to their users and we should all be very unhappy about that.

However, having said all that, there are still Blu-ray options I believe. Doing a Google search, you can buy Toast 10, and an external Blu-ray burner. It won't be as well integrated as Apple integrated hardware would be - but it might do for some of the users that have complained about missing Blu-ray drives. It isn't all hopeless without Apple helping out.

I'd also note that Apple not jumping on the netbook idea may also be a mistake. I now know 3 people in the last few months who've bought netbooks - one of them today when they realised that Apple at MacWorld had no offering. 2 of these run Windows, the other has been hacked to run OS X. Not sure if this is a trend - but I've also had people talking about the new Sony VAIO netbook thingy today too, and there is some genuine interest.

Not trying to stir people up here, just noting that I think there may be some trends that Apple have ignored, and it could be dangerous for the PC business they have (clearly the iPhone and iPod business is doing well regardless).

 

[kastenbrust]

Apple wont put blu-ray drives in their machines because it conflicts with the Itunes store, i dont know why people keep moaning on about it, Steve did a 2 hour long 'bag of hurt' speech about it a few months ago and explained loads of stuff.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

Blu-Ray, Jobs

Blu-Ray:

Apple will install it, or will offer it as an option, when they decide they can get the drives cheaply enough. In the meantime, anyone can buy a Blu-Ray drive and install it in an iMac or a tower Mac (or have someone do it for them), or buy an external Blu-Ray drive for a Macbook (or again, have someone install one for them).

One reason Jobs may not have wanted to give the final MacWorld Apple keynote, might be because he was tired of people examining him with a microscope while he was onstage, trying to guess his weight, what he was eating, whether his current skintone could be interpreted as indicating what new disease he might be suffering from, whether he was going to drop dead onstage, etc. Who needs that?

 

[mambodancer]

Really?

Apple wont put blu-ray drives in their machines because it conflicts with the Itunes store, i dont know why people keep moaning on about it, Steve did a 2 hour long 'bag of hurt' speech about it a few months ago and explained loads of stuff.

Then why do they offer a super drive at all when you can play both CD & DVDs both of which would compete with the iTunes store?

 

[vogelhausdesign]

^ Apple isn't going to invest in Blu-Ray until they know it's sticking around. Plus with the way technology is moving, why invest in a bulky player when hard drives are now able to store 4+ TBs.. seems like they'd much rather see their users play Hi-Def content on their own devices.

It makes sense. It's like investing a big chunk of your life savings into a used car, then 2 years later everyone is flying around in space cars.

Leave the Blu Ray internals to the windows geeks.

Go buy a nice theater system that has blu ray. Are you really going to enjoy it on your notebook with mideocre headphones?? really?? ( Most common case of someone begging for blu ray)

 

[ITGuy]

Man, the infamous RDF must be wearing off me prematurely or it didn't take properly in the first place. I'm using my first and only Mac (Air Rev A.) I bought 11 months ago, and it will probably be my last Mac.

I like my MacBook Air, but it would be great if they offered an OPTION for 4GB RAM. I went out and bought a new 2.4 GHz Alu MacBook with 4GB RAM, but I returned it because the vertical viewing angle was pathetically bad and the colors washed out. My choice was to buy a 15" MacBook Pro to get a decent display panel along with 4GB RAM. No deal, as I do not want a 15" or 17" notebook, especially with an optical drive that I never use. It would have been great if they offered the better LED panel from the MacBook Air as an OPTION on the 2.4 GHz Alu Macbook.

Professionals must purchase the 17" Macbook Pro notebook in order to get 8GB RAM. Some Professionals do not want such a large notebook computer. All Pro machines should be upgradeable to 8 GB, not just the 17" behemoth.

I would buy a Mini for my living room if I could get one with an OPTIONAL Blu-ray drive. I don't want to have to hack an Apple TV to make it support other video codecs, etc. After spending decent money on a Home Theatre A/V setup, watching crappy quality HD downloads from iTunes just doesn't cut it. For those that think digital downloads are so great, check out the article and chart found at Gizmodo: http://gizmodo.com/5048025/giz-explains-why-hd-video-downloads-arent-very-high-def

The quality of these downloads can't compare to a Blu-ray disc. Interesting to see the quality of XBOX Live Marketplace HD downloads is much higher than iTunes HD downloads. I'm not buying Steve's Blu-ray "bag of hurt" argument, especially when he is leaving content creation customers who need to author Blu-ray discs out in the cold. I guess these once valuable customers aren't so valuable now that iPod and iPhone money is pouring in. They can switch to Windows if they need Blu-ray? Other PC manufacturers can somehow include Blu-ray on far less expensive machines.

Don't get me wrong, I like OS X, but I'm not too keen on the narrower choice of hardware compared to other PC manufacturers. Hopefully Apple will re-invest some of their massive stockpile of billions of dollars into expanding their computer hardware offerings, providing greater choice. Perhaps even more people would buy Macs if this happened.

 

[mrrydogg]

I highly doubt that. I said I have $10,000 WAITING to buy a new Mac, I made no mention of how much I've ALREADY spent on the top of the line Mac workstations since I left Amiga.

How so? Recording studio? Music content creator?

How many of your studio's projects are soundtracks for videos?

How many were edited on Macs using FCP? Does it stand to reason that you would lose at least 95% of that business if your video content creator who made that video left Apple because THEY couldn't deliver Blu-ray discs to THEIR clients who demanded them?

I've got news for you; MOST of the music content creation business today is related to video and film, because there's no longer any money in the music selling industry, and it will only get worse in the foreseeable future.

When VIDEO and FILM content creators leave the Mac platform because of lack of Blu-ray DELIVERY and completely total disrespect from Apple, they will be taking that soundtrack business that music content creators rely on WITH THEM and they will be GOING ELSEWHERE.

The Pro market is interconnected and linked like a house of cards; remove an essential card at the bottom that might not be holding up the entire pack but only a handful in the structure, AND THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE COMES DOWN TAKING EVERYTHING WITH IT.

Lose ANY segment of your Pro market because of corporate idiotic shortsightedness based on too-far-in-the-future stargazing, and you WILL LOSE ALL OF IT. The VIDEO Pro market needed Blu-ray DELIVERY. LAST YEAR.

Apple WILL NOT SURVIVE WITHOUT THE PRO MARKET.

As they are about to find out, the hard way.

Wow apparently your the only Pro market that matters. So when your market goes down (like you claim) graphic designers, publishers, animators, special effects artists, musicians, etc., will all go down too?

Please.

Your attempt at scare tactics is only slightly more pathetic than your jabs at people's terminal illnesses. You're acting as if there are no workarounds or other solutions available to you. Would it be nice for Apple to support Blu-Ray? Of course. Is it going to "kill them" in the short term, no. How Blu-Ray now affects music creation and kills the ipod too, well thats your imagination working overdrive.

 

[mrrydogg]

Thank you yet AGAIN for weighing in with the hopeful thief downloaders' wet dream. Who will settle for ANY lapse of quality "because, Dude, it's free."

If you think that torrent downloading will be around forever, or that something will come along to replace it, you're sadly mistaken.

When someone lets the barn door open once too often, the solution is to nail it shut.

And don't kid yourself, it WILL be shut.

2nd of all, people aren't going to settle for DIVx compression when watching movies on their $15,000 50". Home theater is NOT about compression artifacts.



And now you say DVD is King? I thought DD was. Well, which is it?

So tell us, what was your economic stake in HD DVD that you lost when it tanked? Enquiring minds want to know why you have such a problem with the highly logical progression from DVD to Blu-ray and THEN to DD that you lose all sense of your logic and your position.

Bottom line: MAC HIGH-END PRO PURCHASE CONTENT CREATORS NEEDED BLU-RAY DELIVERY YES-TER-DAY.

So now DD's are free? The point was people would rather download directly from AppleTV, iTunes, Netflix, PPV, OnDemand, whatever your pleasure. These are in NO WAY stealing.

You're comparing one small group of people (Torrent Users) to another ($15,000 50" Screen Owners!).

Maybe you need a slight dose of reality.

Us "common folk" aren't going to pay $30 for a Blu-Ray Disc, nor even more for a player when up-convert suits our needs just fine right now.

 

[xbjllb]

You do as every other professional and not use the latest until it's proven worthy. Or keep up with your software/hardware compatibility announcements.

Of COURSE we do. My point is, an OS that pops the speakers needs to be fully tested before it's let out into the wild to insult Apple's top money clients and THEIR clients. Instead of making sure that iFart will work on iPhones.

Pro users shouldn't have to revert to earlier (in some cases MUCH earlier) vesions of an OS to function properly.

In OUR businesses, we take care of the highest-paying customers FIRST.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Pro users shouldn't have to revert to earlier (in some cases MUCH earlier) vesions of an OS to function properly.

In OUR businesses, we take care of the highest-paying customers FIRST.

Agreed 2000%

Had to make sure one of my laptops still had Tiger working on it once Leopard was released. I wasn't full satisfied and secure in upgrading it until 10.5.4.

Tiger was by far the most stable OS Apple has made in the OSX regime.

 

[xbjllb]

While I don't expect Blu-ray to have the longevity of DVDs, I think it's far too early to predict its imminent demise.

The majority of pro audio studios STILL have DAT decks around, LONG after that format (if it ever was established in the consumer base) left the consumer market.

Blu-ray will similarly survive in pro video studios as a physical delivery mechanism long after its demise at Wal-Mart. If only for companies that would distrust DD (corporate espionage coming to mind first, as in seeing competitors commercials before they are aired, or stealing master video or audio projects for piracy.)

That's the kind of longevity I'm talking about.

 

[Eric S.]

Tiger was by far the most stable OS Apple has made in the OSX regime.

Of course there's a reason for that. Since Leopard's release was put off six months while Apple concentrated on iPhone development, Apple had two and a half years between 10.4 and 10.4.11 to stabilize Tiger.

 

[swissmann]

Blu-Ray and DD can't we just all get along.

I'm not saying that DD isn't the future. I personally think it is in many ways, I just think the future is too far away and other formats have a place in the future as well.

Comparisons to music are interesting. I still buy CDs. I like the better sound quality and having it be a built in backup. Apples DRM free and 256 quality announcement may have been the tipping point for me where I don't buy CDs anymore. This is how many years after MP3s came around? This has prevented the market from adapting better sound quality in how many ways?

Everyone saying Blu-Ray discs cost something like $30. I did a quick search and found reputable discs selling for $3.00.

People that talk about Toast and 3rd party options - only half the answer. Without the OS supporting the format how do we play it back, how does it integrate with our content creation and such?

Regarding price, I posted earlier that an internal reader goes for about $90 and burners go for about $200. I don't think this is too expensive to offer as an option. Both are backward compatible with DVD and CD also.

I have clients that want Blu-Ray now. I want Blu-Ray now. I don't really have a good option on my Mac Pro. I want to plug my Mac Pro into my 1080p projector and author and then play Blu-Ray to it.

I want to use time machine to backup my Aperture Library, but I also want to permanently archive my clients photo shoots on a Blu-Ray disc. (At around 20 GB per shoot it makes for a lot of DVDs and a manual split of my Aperture Project = Pain in the neck).

I have nothing against Apple TV and DD. I see a lot of nice things about it. Less plastic, convenient, etc. I think it is missing a lot that Blu-Ray has now. I also think there is a big market for Blu-Ray and as big as a seller it was this Christmas I think it will be even bigger next year.

Why can't we have both? Offer Blu-Ray as an option. Support it in the OS, in iLife, and Final Cut. Also, have iTunes Store, Apple TV, internet, etc. They both have their place. Or they should anyway. Right now only one has its place at Apple.

Bottom line - when it is time for me to upgrade and my clients want Blu-Ray
and it isn't an option at Apple I'll have to make a change (this is the first time I have ever considered leaving Apple and I've been with them solidly since 1992).

 

[xbjllb]

Wow apparently your the only Pro market that matters.

There are THOUSANDS of other posts on other threads from THOUSANDS of other content creators who are saying exactly the same thing I am. A few have weighed in here, but most haven't because I'm saying it for them. To give credit where credit is due, much of what I've posted have been their complaints as well.

So when your market goes down (like you claim) graphic designers, publishers, animators, special effects artists, musicians, etc., will all go down too?

Please.

I made no such claims or links. I have stated that certain segments will go down due to unrelated factors brought up by other folks. Straw man arguments do not serve to advance your position.

Your attempt at scare tactics is only slightly more pathetic than your jabs at people's terminal illnesses.

Oh yes, forgive me for trying to save a few idiots' lives that Steve Jobs doesn't apparently think are worth saving by telling the truth about his illness.

You're acting as if there are no workarounds or other solutions available to you.

No, I am not. What I am "acting like" is a faithful high-end pro Apple user for the past seven years who has spent over $30,000 in Apple gear (bought when it WAS cutting-edge and could do what I needed) and has another $10,000 to upgrade and will NOT DO IT until it is CUTTING-EDGE ONCE AGAIN and MEETS MY NEEDS and the needs of hundreds of thousands of other pro video and audio content creators.

I have the workarounds, Genius. I use them every day. And they irritate me and my clients no end. Apple should have incorporated Blu-ray the day after Jobs joined the board.

Bottom line: WE PAID FAR TOO MUCH OVER THE YEARS TO BE ABANDONED for the LIKES OF YOU (people who have agendas or people who don't need it and don't get it.)

Would it be nice for Apple to support Blu-Ray? Of course. Is it going to "kill them" in the short term, no.

You sound exactly like an Amiga-head in 1984 talking about Amiga living forever because of the superiority of the OS (which WAS FAR superior to MAC OS at the time.) And as far as font handling, is STILL far superior.

Apple loses its pro content creator base by a corporate decision to NO LONGER BE CUTTING EDGE, AS A COMPUTER MAKER it's dead. BELIEVE me.

It can survive as a iCrap toymaker for a few more years, until cheaper competition kills that.

How Blu-Ray now affects music creation and kills the ipod too, well thats your imagination working overdrive.

Don't tell me how my business works EVERY DAY. Or those in my profession, or my industry, O Clueless One.

 

[xbjllb]

So now DD's are free?

At least 95% of them are. What world do YOU live in?

Ah. SteveWorld. Sorry, I forgot.

The point was people would rather download directly from AppleTV, iTunes, Netflix, PPV, OnDemand, whatever your pleasure. These are in NO WAY stealing.

NOW you're merely being disingenuous. At least 95% percent of downloads are through torrents and illegal downloads, not through paid outlets. Nice try.

You're comparing one small group of people (Torrent Users) to another ($15,000 50" Screen Owners!). Maybe you need a slight dose of reality.

No I'm not. I said compression artifacts satisfy thieves, and NO LEVEL of compression artifacts will satisfy 50" plasma TV owners.

DD will not satisfy the high end market for 10 years out, at least. It will take that long to get suitable DD speeds WITHOUT COMPRESSION into the majority of homes, who by the way, will have 50" screens AND LARGER by then. Once again, forward thinking that MATTERS.

Maybe you need a slight dose of reality.

Us "common folk" aren't going to pay $30 for a Blu-Ray Disc, nor even more for a player when up-convert suits our needs just fine right now.

When you get a $1500 50", which I guarantee will happen LONG before the internet will be able to deliver a blu-ray disc sized movie in less than a day, up-convert will not "suit your needs just fine."

And cheaper Blu-ray discs are already around. The $30 price point won't be around any longer than your argument.

 

[xbjllb]

Agreed 2000%

Had to make sure one of my laptops still had Tiger working on it once Leopard was released. I wasn't full satisfied and secure in upgrading it until 10.5.4.

Tiger was by far the most stable OS Apple has made in the OSX regime.

Thanks and agreed. Leopard suffers greatly from all the iCrap development going on at the time plus all the iCrap hooks the OS had to have in it.

 

[curmi]

Why can't we have both? Offer Blu-Ray as an option. Support it in the OS, in iLife, and Final Cut. Also, have iTunes Store, Apple TV, internet, etc. They both have their place. Or they should anyway. Right now only one has its place at Apple.

Bottom line - when it is time for me to upgrade and my clients want Blu-Ray
and it isn't an option at Apple I'll have to make a change (this is the first time I have ever considered leaving Apple and I've been with them solidly since 1992).

Agreed totally. I don't understand why so many Mac users are dismissing the need for an OPTIONAL blu-ray drive just because they don't want one. It makes no sense - there is clearly a group of users who want/need an integrated solution from Apple. Other major manufacturers have it as an option.

I don't want one personally right now, but as I said before, I'm embarrassed that the Mac doesn't even have the option. I don't want a 17" MacBook Pro either, but I'm not suggesting Apple shouldn't have that option. I don't want a Quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel PCI Express card. Apple offer that on the MacPro - they should scrap it, as hardly anyone on these forums would want it.

 

[faffoo]

The Best is Yet To Come

Is it me or dose the song choice in the macworld keynote of 'the best is yet to come' raise thoughts that apple may be planning something in the coming weeks/months. Maybe even another event.

 

[ITGuy]

Is it me or dose the song choice in the macworld keynote of 'the best is yet to come' raise thoughts that apple may be planning something in the coming weeks/months. Maybe even another event.

I agree. I think Apple needed more time to put the finishing touches on updates to upcoming products, and will be going for maximum impact when they launch Snow Leapard along with new iMacs, Mini, and Apple TV.

MacWorld gave us clues as what's coming. Look for revamped Apple TV that incorporates new goodies shown at MacWorld, such as Photo Library integration with FaceBook, Faces, Places, and Slideshows (that will sync with iTunes).

Now that Apple and the music labels have come to new terms and iTunes music is now DRM free, Apple is now contractually able to allow a centralized music library in the home...perhaps with a new version of iTunes and a Home Server product??

Perhaps Front Row on DisplayPort equipped MacBooks and the new Mac will allow HD rentals, and have feature parity with Apple TV??

Throw in 32GB iPhone, 64GB iPod Touch, and perhaps the iPhone nano, and you'll see the next event will be bigger than Phil's MacWorld keynote. There aren't many consumer GPS-enabled cameras, and now that iPhoto supports geo-tagging/GPS hopefully Apple will put a much better camera/flash in the iPhone this year.

Steve has started his new treatment to gain weight, and he will be in great shape to personally launch Snow Leapard and the new products. The organizers of MacWorld probably didn't want to push the show to Spring, so Apple pulled the plug permanently.

/SPECULATION

 

[Eric S.]

Is it me or dose the song choice in the macworld keynote of 'the best is yet to come' raise thoughts that apple may be planning something in the coming weeks/months. Maybe even another event.

Obviously when you don't have much of anything good to say now, you say that better stuff is coming.

 

[vogelhausdesign]

As a creative professional running both 3D design and sound architecture in the same studio I'm a little more than irritated at apple right now.

I'll break this down for you on a personal level. Top 10 Style.

#1. Having invest $30,000 in apple products just in the last 2 years, buying 3 Mac Pro's, a macbook pro and a macbook. I'm not only mad at the fact that apple seems to care more about how thin their next iPod is than how fast a Mac pro can render, they have had absolutely piss poor communication with 3rd party application developers that basically make it necessary to OWN a high end mac.

#2. They rarely let people know what's going on internally, as an investor. I'd like to know if your next big release for an event we've waited a year for is simply an "iWork" update, so that I know not to waste my time buying tickets.

#3. What happened to the focus on independent companies, non-corporate creative companies, and the ARTISTS in general.. I remember years ago being so sold on apple because they seemed like the underdog who knew exactly what the people needed.

#4. There is NO other options available. They're so sue happy these days nobody can create anything to fill the void in the professional consumers needs. I mean, I'm %100 dedicated to apple as a company.. well .. I used to be.

#5. Is apple a toy company now? Seems like the focus is on iToy this and super thin that. Do I care if my macbook is 14oz's lighter than the one I spent $3,200 on last year? NO.. Do I care if it's cutting edge. Yes.

#6. Is Steve Jobs the only one with a brain at apple these days? I'll leave that one to you..

#7. Mac Mini? The red-headed step child thats not getting child support.. Name one company that makes a NEW computer, then doesnt mention it for years. Oh yea.. Apple.

#8. Blu Ray support. Not that I would ever want it in any of my computers.. but only because I own a home theatre. Why not give the people what they want? It's not like adding a blu ray compatible drive would change everything.. Meanwhile they're letting WINDOWS wave it in their face. Dying platform, Maybe? Is their a demand? Yes.. Supply? No..

#9. Lack of communication with 3rd party developers of professional applications. You know who I'm talking about.. why the 5 month gap. is ANY developing company going to be ready when they wiggle out snow leopard like a kid handing a fake ID to a cop?

#10. This is going to be a grab bag. Realllllyyyyyyy dumb people working at the apple stores. At least mine at Easton Town Centre. No reach around.. I mean, when you buy a nice car you get a call thanking you for your purchase a few days later.. where's my call apple? Nobody seemed to lift an eyebrow when I spent 20k in 10 minutes in your store. REALLY high replacement costs, repairs and over priced warranties.

Been reading here for years, I'm finally mad enough to register and make a post. Apple needs a swift kick in the ass. Also need to be weened off of Jobs, the poor guy's sick ya know?

Take care guys