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MacWorld Expo!

Originally posted by ddtlm
Some real surprises in these laptops... not only is Apple the first to use DDR-333 in a laptop (good), but they chose to place a slower video card in the 17" PB than in the 15" PB (bad). Well, perhaps the GF4MX-440 in the 17" is faster at some things, but only if the clock rate of the Radeon 9000 has been set very low. The Radeon 9000 certainly has more features. Also, depending on clock speed, the Radeon 7500 in the iBook is probably faster than the GF4MX-420 in the 12" PB.
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Thats another good point. As much as I want to get a new 12 inch PB (I mean I REALLY REALLY REALLY want one!!!), its a damn shame Jobs decided he hates ATI. I say he does because there is no other reason to have used such a slow and old video chip! The GF4mx is really just a hopped up GF2. ATI has stuff out for laptops thats TWO GENERATIONS more advanced, and probably two times faster too. Considering how much Apple gets right, its a shame they got this, and Safari, so wrong...
 
Re: Re: Re: SAFARI

Originally posted by nickmcghie



yea i guess you're right, it IS an amazing first step, the ONLY thing i can see that is missing is tabbed browsing...

I could think of another couple of things: web pages passwords saved on Keychain (like with Chimera) and Auto Fill forms! :) Come on guys! lets start sending some feedback! :)
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why

Originally posted by Head Wound


Thats another good point. As much as I want to get a new 12 inch PB (I mean I REALLY REALLY REALLY want one!!!), its a damn shame Jobs decided he hates ATI. I say he does because there is no other reason to have used such a slow and old video chip! The GF4mx is really just a hopped up GF2. ATI has stuff out for laptops thats TWO GENERATIONS more advanced, and probably two times faster too. Considering how much Apple gets right, its a shame they got this, and Safari, so wrong...
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why safari is wrong???:confused:
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: 12 inch Powerbook real disappointment

Originally posted by -hh


And an available Superdrive, installed internally.
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Which costs more...


Of course it could have been more. I too would have liked to have seen a L3 Cache. But this package is really quite competitive with the PC ultraportables. If you disagree, I have three VAIO 505's for you to buy off of me :D
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Apple is a premium brand. Comparing like with like, the IBM X series is lighter and more expandable...



No, its a low weight RoadWarrior tool. As such:

* It needs a standard SVGA out to go into the run-of-the-mill overhead projector, not DVI.
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Well the other PowerBooks need this too and they have DVI. DVI includes SVGA pins - all you need is an adapter. Looks like Apple have crippled this machine on purpose.

Agree with your other points - speed will probably be OK.

I just hate the way Apple cripples stuff ON PURPOSE. I'm looking for a really portable machine that I can use to do proper work on too. I use photoshop with big files, so I'm p****d off that the 12 is limited to 640M WHEN THERE WAS NO GOOD REASON TO DO THIS. I also don't want to go back to using CRTs, and LCDs via analogue VGA is really missing the point (does Apple do a VGA LCD - no).


FWIW, what do I need PCMIA for? Digital camera memory cards?
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It could have been a good way to add DVI... USB2 anyone?


I think I may have finally found the new machine I've been holding out for. I'll have to ask the wife if I can get the 12" instead of the iBook, complete with Airport Extreme.
-hh
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Well good luck to you. It looks very pretty, and if you need DVD-R/RW in a machine this size it's a definate winner.
 
Safari and secure sites

Unfortunately, Safari does not seem to handle secure sites with self-signed certificates.

IE handles these sites fine, although it throws up a warning message.

Safari just says it can't authenticate and won't let you load the site.

Self-sign certs are used often, especially for testing secure web apps.
 
Never have I seen so many people happy after a keynote (including myself ;-).
This is more than anybody could ask for.


Please remember: The news.com stuff wasn't wrong. There will certainly be HW updates on the desktop side in February (including the XServe/Raid I guess) and maybe the new DLD device !

If so, Apple has a very, very good lineup till the PPC 970 comes out. I'm not worried for 2003 anymore.
 
Originally posted by trebblekicked
2)i bought a 1ghz powerbook last month. i don't mind that i missed the screen size updates, or even the bluetooth, but why didn't they update the hard drive specs on the recent tibook updates (new PB's UltraATA/100, my PB Ultra ATA/66)?
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Not to worry! An update to ATA100 for a laptop hard drive is virtually meaningless. Laptop drives simply cannot transfer data fast enough to take full atvatage of the ATA66 interface, much less ATA100.
 
Amazing Arn. You caught so many folks off gaurd. So many people dissagread with your prediction. I had a hint were right only because the market in regard to owning a desktop versus a laptop is changing.

Folks out there are buying larger screen size notebooks in replace of there desktop. Take a look at Sony, they were first with there 16" screen. Then Toshiba followed with there version.

This truley will be an amazing buy. I just can't see why folks would want the imac now. Perhaps cost is the only reason.
 
Re: Safari and secure sites

Originally posted by wjdennen
Unfortunately, Safari does not seem to handle secure sites with self-signed certificates.

IE handles these sites fine, although it throws up a warning message.

Safari just says it can't authenticate and won't let you load the site.

Self-sign certs are used often, especially for testing secure web apps.
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Thats now two things in hardly half an hour that Mozilla and thus Chimera handle just fine but 'the great KHTML mistake' does not... and thats just in this discussion thread!
 
Re: Safari and secure sites

Originally posted by wjdennen
Unfortunately, Safari does not seem to handle secure sites with self-signed certificates.

IE handles these sites fine, although it throws up a warning message.

Safari just says it can't authenticate and won't let you load the site.

Self-sign certs are used often, especially for testing secure web apps.
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Them report this to apple and move on.. I don't if you heard it but Safari is beta last time I checked.. and since it's only about 7 hours old it maight take a little time to get old the bugs out
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Re: Re: Good show...

Originally posted by lmalave


Well, Apple is committed to letting you sync to your SonyEricsson P800 to your Mac. (Basically a PDA, and you can install 3rd party Java apps). I don't think the iPhone or iPDA is going to happen. If it was going to it would've hapend at this Macworld. In retrospect Apple is making the right choice. The PDA is dead, dead, dead as a standalone device, and SonyEricsson, Nokia, etc. are making great phones with all the PDA functionality you could ever want (the P800 even has a stylus/touchscreen interface), so why not focus on integration instead of trying to make everything in-house? That's what got Apple into trouble before, after all....
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Amen to that! But lets remind Apple to make Isync compatible with the new P800. it is indeed a fantastic phone/PDA! Wish I cud afford it! :)
 
G4 iBook!

Re: 12 inch Powerbook real disappointment


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Originally posted by firestarter
No DVI
No PCMCIA
Dumb 128MB built in limits it to 640MB
No cache

WTF were they thinking? I don't want to lug the 17 or 15 inch monsters around, but I wanted a SERIOUS LAPTOP. What difference will the 887MHz with no cache vs the 800MHz with cache on the iBook make? The iBook can be hacked to get external VGA video, at which point there's very little difference.

Very disappointed!!!
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I have to agree. Basically a G4 iBook and without the L3 cache, the iBook may prove to be just as fast anyway. When I saw this new 12" powerbook in the keynote I thought. Cool, just what I need. Better go check the specs to make sure it has 1)PC card slot(for a SCSI card and to quickly download photos from a Compact Flash Card or MicroDrive - kind of funny that Apple featured a Photog. in the ad for this PowerBook as a PC slot is a real neccesity! and I as a Photographer could not do without this feature in a laptop 2)All the cool new features of it's 17" brother. Let's see - New Firewire? NO. LIghted keyboard? NO. So basically, It's just an iBook in Powerbook clothing. NOT the smallest Full featured(read PowerBook) laptop available at all. Too bad, because that would have been great.

Tariq
 
Re: Re: SAFARI

I'll not repeat "best keynote ever", but

Originally posted by paulwhannel

Apple's never made a web browser before
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Hey! Let's not forget CyberDog. That browser sucked (Except for the name). I remember (attempting) to switch to that.
 
Safari

It is fast..... but...

Nasty brushed metal look. Black bookmarks on a 50% grey textured bkg? yuck...

Tabbed browsing rocks after you catch on. It's a necessity for a modern browser.

Bookmarks should go to a second line instead of running off the right side.

Great 1st public release though! I'll stick to Chimera if Apple's going to persist on this brushed metal look. It's too compartimental and harder on the eyes....
 
Re: Imalave...that's not an ultra-portable computing device...

Originally posted by Timothy
Imalave...

I've seen you lobby for the current mobile phones as the replacement for the PDA. I don't think you really understand what is needed by those of us who seek an ultra-portable solution, because the current phones (and believe me, I've played with all of them) don't deliver.

Again, Apple is the only company who will be able to develop a solution that works for those of us who have integrated our digital lives on the mac platform...
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Then "those of us who seek an ultra-portable solution" are a tiny niche market. The phone is it, period. It's the only mobile device that most people will always have on them. I've gone through 3 PDAs and ended up not using any of them (when will I learn??). Even now I have a Kyocera Smartphone and don't use the PDA stuff at all - except to check Mapquest and stuff like that occasionally. So basically, the only thing you can look forward to is that the phones become more and more powerful. In the fairly near future, I envision that all the computing power in a PowerBook (or at least an iBook) will fit into a phone case. You'll be able to sit down at a desk, and magically all these wireless devices will work with the SuperPhone that's in your pocket: mouse, keyboard, and even monitor. And of course you'll still be able to use your superphone as a PDA/VideoCamera/MP3Player. It's the future, so you may as well get used to it!

The PDA form factor is just too close to a phone - and so it's going to be rolled right in. If you wanna talk Tablet, that's totally different. I think a Tablet form factor does have a future - it's not a matter of if, but when. People are already used to reading books and magazines. It's just a natural form factor that's been successful for THOUSANDS of years - at least since the time Sumerians wrote in their cuneiform tablets. But a PDA? No, way. I mean, do you see people reading books that small? It's just not practical or pleasant. The only little books people might have that size is a little organizer, and all that's useful for is jotting down appointments, addresses, and notes - which you can do on your phone. The fact is, any form factor that's between a small phone and a good-size tablet (let's say the size of an open paperback book), is really just a half-assed compromise doomed to failure. Gimme a phone or tablet, but no PDAs, thank you!
 
Re: Re: Re: 12 inch Powerbook real disappointment

Originally posted by firestarter


Not bad??

$500 for a new case and Bluetooth, compared to the 12 inch iBook?
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Wrong! If you compare a similarly-speced iBook with the 12 inch PowerBook, it's a difference of $350, and for that you get a faster G4 processor (don't forget the processor, sheesh!) AND DDR ("fake" or not, it's still DDR), AND built-in Bluetooth, AND better graphics, AND line-in. That to me is worth an extra $350!
 
Re: Re: Re: 12 inch Powerbook real disappointment

Originally posted by firestarter


Not bad??

$500 for a new case and Bluetooth, compared to the 12 inch iBook?

The 12inch could be so much more. This does not compete with PC ultraportables. Again Apple misses the point on expandability.

This is a POWERBOOK. DVI, big memory and PCMCIA is missing!!!
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I can't think of one PC ultraportable that has a CD-RW/DVR burner built into the unit and not on a 'expansion pack' that you leave at home/office. :confused:

Although both new Powerbooks are impressive, I like the cleaner lines of the 'older' Powerbooks. The new ones have all the connections on the side which IMO take away from the clean looks.
 
Safari bug

Don't worry, I filed a bug report with Apple on the self-signed cert problem... :) I am moving on.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: 12 inch Powerbook real disappointment

Originally posted by Hemingray

Wrong! If you compare a similarly-speced iBook with the 12 inch PowerBook, it's a difference of $350, and for that you get a faster G4 processor (don't forget the processor, sheesh!) AND DDR ("fake" or not, it's still DDR), AND built-in Bluetooth, AND better graphics, AND line-in. That to me is worth an extra $350!
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Eh?

iBook 12inch DVD/CD-RW = $1299
PowerBook = $1799

Agreed - there's a memory difference but if you buy memory from Apple you need your head read.

DDR sure - but no cache. The IBM G3s are pretty speedy, and there is an L3 cache on the iBook. Is the PowerBook 12 REALLY going to be faster?

Better Graphics?? The 7500 is a much better chip than a 4MX (actually a G-Force 2 by all but name).

It's a nice looking machine granted, but it's just an iBook in a metal box...
 
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