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Re: Warning, hype will wear off soon...
I'm not keen on the brushed metal look either tho' IMHO this is the best use of it I've seen (quite minimal).
But I'm also tired of the stripes look in the main UI - very bondi-blue iMac. I'd prefer a slightly off-white light grey flat look with maybe a little bit of shading at the edges?
I'm not keen on the brushed metal look either tho' IMHO this is the best use of it I've seen (quite minimal).
But I'm also tired of the stripes look in the main UI - very bondi-blue iMac. I'd prefer a slightly off-white light grey flat look with maybe a little bit of shading at the edges?
Abercrombieboy:
Tom800:
ryan:
dabirdwell:
Every iBook sale "killed" by a PBook of any flavor means more money for Apple.
Tom800:
You could get a second screen and expand your desktop accross both.
ryan:
The 12" PB has a standard G4, which means 256k L2 on die. The iBook has one of IBM's 750fx G3's which means 512k L2 on die.
dabirdwell:
No, the G4 is only faster in some programs, and the video card in the 12" PB is probably slower than the one in the iBook (although it is hard to know for sure because Apple does not talk about the graphics clocks and I don't know about the speeds of the drivers from nVidia vs those from ATI).
Safari
Download Safari ~15 mins after the Keynote and took Status Bar away on one of the apple store computer.
Personally, I love display space, so taking everything away except the title bar and off course the scroll bar on the right. However, being an apple store computer, I place all the bars back
I guess everyone has their personal preferrence
Originally posted by artistry
Ahem...
I wondered, who'd be the first to spot that one. Well done, that man. Rest of you - pay attention.
Download Safari ~15 mins after the Keynote and took Status Bar away on one of the apple store computer.
Personally, I love display space, so taking everything away except the title bar and off course the scroll bar on the right. However, being an apple store computer, I place all the bars back I guess everyone has their personal preferrence
I doubt the G4 will ever break 2 GHz...
That said, I have great hope that we'll see a Powermac 970 (probably Dual 970) before MWSF04.
As for the rest of your post, I originally didn't like brushed metal, but it actually looks pretty darn cool on my iApps. It could just be that I miss the days when you could get an iMac with a cool Graphite casing.
Apple really uses brushed metal on applications where aqua would be cumbersome. Think about it, it sort of makes sense.
I like Safari, it shows a lot of promise, and has already earned a place in my dock, but Chimera won't be leaving anytime soon. I really hope Apple builds tabbed-browsing into a future version of Safari, I've grown to use to it to live without it.
iPod update
Hey everyone,
This is my first post, and I think this web site is great!!!!
Now on to the reason I am posting, did anyone notice anything missing at MWSF 2003?
I sure did no iPod revision aside from that (very expensive) Burton iPod jacket. I mean $500 US for a jacket with controls in the sleeve. I would only go for that if it came with bluetooth which gave me updates on the weather and the ski conditions, oh and where the good jumps are at .
I was (and still am) hoping for the price to drop a little more. I was also hoping for the mic input, and an FM tuner. Maybe Firewire 800, mostly just for future faster compatibility.
When do you all think the revision will occur, and is it safe to buy one right now?
I know it has to be coming soon with the release of Creative's Zen. I know you will say that is comparing apples and oranges. But at $120 US cheaper (same capacity), with USB & Firewire, WMA support, and an option wired remote with mic and FM tuner, something must be done!!!!!
Mike
Hey everyone,
This is my first post, and I think this web site is great!!!!
Now on to the reason I am posting, did anyone notice anything missing at MWSF 2003?
I sure did no iPod revision aside from that (very expensive) Burton iPod jacket. I mean $500 US for a jacket with controls in the sleeve. I would only go for that if it came with bluetooth which gave me updates on the weather and the ski conditions, oh and where the good jumps are at
.I was (and still am) hoping for the price to drop a little more. I was also hoping for the mic input, and an FM tuner. Maybe Firewire 800, mostly just for future faster compatibility.
When do you all think the revision will occur, and is it safe to buy one right now?
I know it has to be coming soon with the release of Creative's Zen. I know you will say that is comparing apples and oranges. But at $120 US cheaper (same capacity), with USB & Firewire, WMA support, and an option wired remote with mic and FM tuner, something must be done!!!!!
Mike
Priorities...
I don't see iPod revisions in the near future, Apple has a list of priorities to get through first.
1. Update iMacs and eMacs
2. Get Firewire 800 on all new machines
3. Get AirPort Extreme (btw, great name) in all iBooks and Powerbooks
4. If it really is "the year of the laptop" big update for iBooks
5. Xserve update (@ WWDC?)
6. Kill OS 9 (I'm not saying I agree with it) once and for all
7. Powermac Speed bumps
Also, Apple won't put Firewire 800 into the iPod, at least not any time in the next year (or more), unless it's an added option. The new PB are the only machines with Firewire 800 right now.
I don't see iPod revisions in the near future, Apple has a list of priorities to get through first.
1. Update iMacs and eMacs
2. Get Firewire 800 on all new machines
3. Get AirPort Extreme (btw, great name) in all iBooks and Powerbooks
4. If it really is "the year of the laptop" big update for iBooks
5. Xserve update (@ WWDC?)
6. Kill OS 9 (I'm not saying I agree with it) once and for all
7. Powermac Speed bumps
Also, Apple won't put Firewire 800 into the iPod, at least not any time in the next year (or more), unless it's an added option. The new PB are the only machines with Firewire 800 right now.
OMG CHECK THIS OUT!!!
OMG!!!
Check out the services in apples new browser. SEND TO NAVIGATOR!!! Opens chimera! Hmmm... maybe if a site dosen't load properly.
BTW first post!!!
OMG!!!
Check out the services in apples new browser. SEND TO NAVIGATOR!!! Opens chimera! Hmmm... maybe if a site dosen't load properly.
BTW first post!!!
Is the forward-compatability worth the difference?
If the performance is not better than an iBook 800?
Are the networking etc. worth the expense for one who won't need a Superdrive?
If the performance is not better than an iBook 800?
Are the networking etc. worth the expense for one who won't need a Superdrive?
If i wasn't clear enough
The services under the menu "Safari" then services then open url in navigator.
The services under the menu "Safari" then services then open url in navigator.
Re: OMG CHECK THIS OUT!!!
This post made my day. Thank you.
- RMG
(By the way, you are completely mistaken... but I initially thought this was a joke)
This post made my day. Thank you.
- RMG
(By the way, you are completely mistaken... but I initially thought this was a joke)
Re: If i wasn't clear enough
That's interesting (I never look at Services but I expect they'll start being useful soon)
On my version, this option is greyed out and the keyboard shortcut doesn't work. Does it work for you? Maybe a quick debugging tool for Apple engineers?
That's interesting (I never look at Services but I expect they'll start being useful soon)
On my version, this option is greyed out and the keyboard shortcut doesn't work. Does it work for you? Maybe a quick debugging tool for Apple engineers?
You're forgetting about the fundamental difference: The Processor.
The iBook has a pokey old G3, the Powerbook has a G4, which is faster because of Altivec (the velocity engine).
I was considering buying an iBook (at $1300) until today. I'd rather save up an extra $500 (hello, ebay) and get a G4, because the processor is really that much better.
I also should have mentioned that I think the G3 will be obsolete technology to Apple in about a year and a half.
I really don't want to be using an iBook with obsolete technology in it.
I really don't want to be using an iBook with obsolete technology in it.
I don't think the iPod would benefit from a Firewire800 interface. I don't think that current 2.5" HDDs can transfer data fast enough to really take advantage of it. I could be wrong.
As for AirportExtreme, if the cards are the same form factor, wouldn't you be able to swap out an Airport card for one of the new ones?
As for AirportExtreme, if the cards are the same form factor, wouldn't you be able to swap out an Airport card for one of the new ones?
pyrotoaster:
The "pokey old G3" will certainly show the G4 it's taillights in a handful of tests. The G3's two biggest advantages over the G4 are it's 4-stage pipeline and it's 512k L2, and I would bet on those defeating the 66mhz higher clock and 33mhz faster memory system on just about everything non-AltiVec'ed.
iLife Problem IMO
I see a big hole in the iLife "suite". IDVD3 still requires a superdrive - NO Support for after market/stand alone DVD Drives. I sense there are many more MAC users without superdrives than with them.
Why limit the market, Steve?
Also, please tell me the cool music composing site Steve used to demo Safari.
I see a big hole in the iLife "suite". IDVD3 still requires a superdrive - NO Support for after market/stand alone DVD Drives. I sense there are many more MAC users without superdrives than with them.
Why limit the market, Steve?
Also, please tell me the cool music composing site Steve used to demo Safari.
nice job arn. Good expo even though safari isn't truly faster than
chimera.... not yet. I dont care who makes it though as long
as it works.
chimera.... not yet
. I dont care who makes it though as longas it works.
I realized that was a weak argument in some areas shortly after I posted it, so I followed up with my thoughts on the remaining life in the G3.
We won't see anything with a G3 in it after the iBooks get G4s, but I think this latest 12" PB is our assurance that the iBook will stick with G3s for the next year.
I'm guessing Apple has totally phased out the G3 in about a year and a half, and I don't want to own "obsolete" technology (I had a 400 MHz G3 iMac until six months ago).
Re: Re: 12 inch Powerbook real disappointment
I concur with you about it has the edge on Sony in the ultraportable area, but it still needs a PCMCIA slot for mobile wireless cards, like to use with your cellular phone provider and for Firewire 800 expansion!!!
I concur with you about it has the edge on Sony in the ultraportable area, but it still needs a PCMCIA slot for mobile wireless cards, like to use with your cellular phone provider and for Firewire 800 expansion!!!
So I still don't know if the lack of L3 cache and less L2 cache make this a less effective machine overall. I won't be editing video or anything.
But wireless means a lot...
But wireless means a lot...
Originally posted by ddtlm
An 867mhz no-L3 G4 is not faster in all situations than a 512k G3 at 800mhz. A GF4Go-420 is probably slower than a Radeon 7500 Mobility, although the clock rates can vary. The DDR is worthless, no performance edge, no higher capacity, so basically it's irrelevant.
Really, not much special about the 12" PB except that Apple can sell them at a higher price than iBooks.
I am aware of some of the G3's advantages, however for altivec there's just no comparison, and being able to use Photoshop on the go is a must for me and a lot of other PowerBook users. As for the graphics comparison, I'll just have to wait and see the benchmarks, but I'd be willing to bet that the GF4Go 420 is comparable if not marginally better than the iBook's Radeon Mobility. I did say that the DDR was "fake", but it's still faster than the iBook's bus regardless.
If you guys want to think it's just a souped-up aluminum iBook with a G4 and built-in Bluetooth, that's fine, but I think they put a bit more effort into it than that. The iBook doesn't have a third mid-range speaker or a line-in on the iBooks... or the availability of a SuperDrive for that matter... but even if it WAS just that... it's worth the extra $350.
(And FYI to firestarter, I was comparing the 800MHz 12.1" iBook model, that's the closest comparable clock speed.)
Just a reminder that the G4 is obsolete also. Has been for some time now. Hence all the drooling over the "new" IBM chip...