Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Macworld NY 2002 Round-Up

mac.com

I just did the math:

here in Canada, .mac will cost over $150 CAD.

Thats about $12.50 per month. hang on - I can get dialup Internet access for LESS than that!
They will give you a free website and all that kind of useless crap as well.

For only a bit more money, I can get International dial-up access.

Where is Apple's brain gone?

I recall them offering me more iDisk space a few months back. The prices went as high as $1000 a year for 1 gig of space. I thought it was a mistake at the time......

I would venture to say that the US corporate culture has its head up its ass.
We have seen dumb moves from M$, from eBay, and others, and now Apple.

Business 101: "Dont piss your customers off"

I am sending emails to Apple - I dont think I am the only one.....
 
I'm not against Apple charging for both .Mac and Jaguar, but the pricing definitely is way out of line.

Especially 10.2 - the fact that there is no upgrade path is sand in the face of everyone that has supported the OS from the beginning, even though it sucked rocks up until 10.1...

I highly recommend everyone send them feedback on this and hopefully they will add in upgrade pricing -

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/
 
Originally posted by iH8Quark


Your email won't go away. You just won't get 10 extra MB. You're limited to 5 MB. Chill out. Mac.com email is still free, as far as I know.
Click to expand...

I'll calm down if you can prove this ! show me please..
 
Re: free now not free

Originally posted by theranch

Man I can't believe how many people are upset about .mac costing $99 per year. It's a business!
Click to expand...

Sorry, but giving away email addresses and then suddenly charging $99 for them is bad form. If it was just the hard disk space, that would be different - but for those who were using their @mac.com emails as their primary address this is a raw deal. A "Pay up or got through the tedious task of changing your email address" is only just short of extortion.

Apple lost a lot of good will today - they must be desperate for the cash.
 
Especially 10.2 - the fact that there is no upgrade path is sand in the face of everyone that has supported the OS from the beginning, even though it sucked rocks up until 10.1...



I recall S. Jobs saying to upgrade is only $19.99. Also, if this upgrade is like the 10.1 upgrade, you can walk down to your nearest Apple dealer and pick up a copy for free.
 
Some thoughts:

1. $129 for OSX 10.2 accross the board?? There is really no upgrade pricing for existing users? I'm incredulous. I could maybe see this for OSXI but for an interim release? Criticize them all you want (and there's plenty to criticize) but even Microsoft sees the benefit of upgrade pricing. For a company currently being criticized for not pushing OSX near enough, this move is baffling. If you want more people to trade up, you charge them less. Am I missing something here?

2. The 17" iMac is great. But, being a gearhead, I wanted to see 133mhz system bus. I know ddr is too much to ask for since it's not even incorporated into the PowerMacs yet, but I agree with those who say Apple is lagging behind technologically at the moment as far as hardware is concerned.

3. The iTools thing is also pretty low. I love how Steve misrepresented that hotmail was no longer free. That simply isn't true. They are pushing extra services, but the basic account is still free. I think the real reason Apple is taking the email away is that without it .Mac simply isn't worth paying $100/year for. At a minimum, Apple should have Grandfathered existing users. It has nothing to do with wanting "something for nothing". Damnit, Apple offered it for nothing.

4. Sorry, but I just don't get the calendar. However, I'm back in school after about a decade in retail so I don't have a real job yet with appointments and schedules. Maybe it will be of more value for me after I graduate.

5. The iPods saved the show for me. I am so glad they decided to keep the 5gb iPod in the lineup. At $299 it's a steal. The 20gb is over the top for me, but VERY cool. Especially as a portable firewire drive. I think I'll go for the 10gb when I buy my new PowerMac in September. I am praying it supports ddr.

dh

P.S. What's this AAC everybodies talking about?
 
WOOOO-HOOOOOOO!!!!

I'm not reading all yalls "disappointing" posts because most of you don't have themoney too buy anything anyway, you just like to curse apple for it's way to make a profit in this economy...

I LOVE the new iMac.. I will be waiting for say, Smalldog to get an open box or refurb though so I can get a SUPER deal on one. and I don't wanna pay tax... but edusale looks possible..... anyhoo...

I am very pleased with the expo.. we all were told new PM's WILL BE IN JUST A FREAKIN MONTH SO SHUT YER PIEHOLE AND SUCK IT UP>>>>>>


MW has ALWAYS BEEN FOR COMSUMERS JUST LIKE 6 MONTHS A GO AT SF. YOU WILL GET THEM, ,THEY'LL HAVE DDR, JUST FREAKIN WAIT AND STOP YER CURSIN!

freakin 12 year olds......
 
Originally posted by elgruga

I would venture to say that the US corporate culture has its head up its ass.
Click to expand...

I was with you until you blamed "US" corporate culture. It's corporate culture period. If you don't think you have greed in Canada you are fooling yourself.

dh
 
Originally posted by King Cobra
I realize that Apple cannot bring forth PowerMacs every six months, but from what I have read there was not even a freakin ANNOUNCEMENT about newer PowerMacs coming soon. THAT and the fact that IF the new models have DDR-RAM, the Macs were not released at a big event, for a big product, are what got me startled.
Click to expand...
Please consider:
1. All rumorsites agreed that there would be no new Powermacs for MWNY. So there is no reason for disappointment.

2. In the last 2 years, Apple has moved MANY product announcements away from MacWorld Expo keynote, simply because a large company like Apple cannot restrict itself to two single events only (MWSF; MWNY) for new product announcements.

And whoever expects ANNOUNCEMENTS of nonshipping products should go and learn some Apple history ;-)

3. At the current state of the PC economy, Apples announcement of iPod for PC, Jaguar and .Mac are just a big pleasure for any Apple shareholder (like me), since it will bring revenue without risk ;-)
(That the stock price of AAPL fell is: a. the usual effect of any MW Expo, and b. just another reason to buy more Apple stock !!).

4. I really love the 17" iMac TFT ...
 
holy ****...

He said right during the god dam expo that the upgrade would be 19.99 to cover shipping and handling just like 10.1 was last year (which isn't exactly an honest price considering the actual shipping is something like 3.20)... IT'S NOT $129 IF YOU OWN OS X SO CALM THE FUHCK DOWN!

.mac is a kick in the crotch tho.. looks like I'm goin back to my earthlink acct ($10/y, mebbe even $20 would be ok.. and all im asking for is email.. but $99? ontop of my ISP bill?? don't think so...)
 
???

Wasn't apple at least trying a little to keep the lid on the secrets coming into MWNY??

I mean, everyone knew that a 20gig ipod and 17" iMac were going to be announced. We also knew about Jaguar and .mac.

The only things we didn't know about were iSync, the prices of stuff, iCal and the phone stuff.

Why don't they just tell us what they are up to, their ability to keep secrets sucks.
 
.NET and other

First, I think .mac should cost something for the "extra" services (backup, iDisk, photo gallery). But email should be free. Hotmail is FREE for email. It only costs more for extra storage. No, I'm not being cheap, I just want Apple to maintain par with the competition (so we can increase the number of Mac users)!!

2. .mac is NOT .Net. .NET includes a whole bunch of Business to Business services built around XML. This includes integration of the Web server, SQL Server, development tools you name. MSN Messenger (and passport) is an insignificant portion of .NET brought to you by the marketting dept at MSFT.

3. Yes, I love the 17" iMac. BUT, it's still too slow. Sorry to burst the bubble here guys but this is being targetted as a "pro-sumer" home PC. For $2000, a Wintel PC will blow this baby away. Read http://www.barefeats.com/pentium4.html. This is a MAC friendly site, but they make it pretty obvious. And these were the DP powermac's they were testing!!!! C'mon Apple, at least put a faster CPU in the 17" iMac!!! I don't care if they are only 6 months old, keep up!!!

4. Jaguar looks great. Thank god! The software is the only way to make a Mac "worth the money" right now. Gee, if they keep this up (iCal, Address Book), no one will need Entourage anymore.... :cool:
 
my update message to apple

I am deeply disappointed that there is no upgrade pricing for 10.2. I have 3 macs myself, 2 for my girlfriend, 1 for my parents and 3 for my school journal and all of them will need 10.2. The version of 10.1 which is on the 3 g4's at school that were purchased less than 1 year ago is still significantly slower than 0S9 and much less usable. It is absolutely a shame that those customers that most quickly adopted, I should say 'beta-tested' osX, are now being charged the full price for their commitment to the product as it nears final form.

Sincerely,
Chris Nidel
 
Originally posted by dhdave
Some thoughts:

P.S. What's this AAC everybodies talking about?
Click to expand...


Advanced Audio Codec that they just added to quicktime, at 64kbps better qual than a 128kbps mp3.. basically as far as the 20gb ipod is concerened with this: "8000 songs in your pocket" and really it would be more like 8500, bcuz I get 1200 on my 5g.. so 2400 double.. 4800 on 10g(double)..9200 on 20g.. thats about a month of non stop rockin :D
 
Re: Re: free now not free

Originally posted by BobVB


Sorry, but giving away email addresses and then suddenly charging $99 for them is bad form. If it was just the hard disk space, that would be different - but for those who were using their @mac.com emails as their primary address this is a raw deal. A "Pay up or got through the tedious task of changing your email address" is only just short of extortion.

Apple lost a lot of good will today - they must be desperate for the cash.
Click to expand...

I fully agree with this and I did not get sucked in.

New dot-mac users have a reasonable opportunity with notice of what to do, but existing users, and there are LOTS of them, mainly want to keep their email addresses. I once changed service providers and they refused to even mirror email to my new account when their other upgrade paths would not work for me. I suspect Apple will:

1. Insist old users pay $99 or have their accounts and email addresses erased within 60 days.

2. Refuse to mirror/forward from yourname@mac.com to newaccount@isp.com.

3. Refuse to simplt offer a cheater email only version of dot-mac for a crippled price.

Jerry

Don't they have an x-serve or three they can store old dot-mac accounts on? MUST all data be lost?
 
Get some perspective...

OK...I've done my fair-share of ranting on this site, but let's get real, folks. Perhaps the relatively recent revelations that many of you are still in middle school explains some of the over-reacting going on.

Charging fees for services on the net is a good thing. Point me to one business model that has any legs and plans on giving similar or equivalent services away for free. Now is the time for the real long-term business plans to emerge, and for those of us who support Apple, we should be glad to support a good value. $99 per year for .mac is not unreasonable. No one has promised you free email for life; get real.

Now...I am definitely feeling that the power users in the mac community are due for a bit o' love from Cupertino; I'm feeling somewhat neglected. So, I too, was dissapointed that there was no focus on the Power Users again in this MacWorld. It's been awhile since we've been stroked at a major apple event.

If we really will see some significant changes in August...I look forward to that. Apple needs to keep us coming back and excited about what is in the pipeline for the Pro line. Though we may be a minority, we drive the early adoption of all Apple products, we are the ones who help our mothers and fathers and friends configure their consumer machines. Apple ignores us to it's own detriment. They know this, even though they haven't seemed to show it lately.

The software releases were impressive. Here's a clue...most software costs money! Even shareware tends to cost a few bucks. The amount of software that Apple gives you for free is incredible. That they would charge money for the system software is entirely understandeable. Get a job if you think $129 is too much; or just wait to upgrade when you buy your next machine. But to whine about these fees is ridiculous.

Finally...the iPod should be getting rave reviews from everyone. I saw so many comments about lowering the price of the 5gig to $299 prior to the show...and Apple did it! Rejoice! I'm buying the 20gig and am very pleased to do so.

Apple is staying afloat in a tough market. They don't always do exactly what "I" want, but they are keeping the health of the company in tact, and in the long run, there couldn't be a better recipe for our happiness.
 
re: .mac charges...**** cheapskates! Get a basic hotmail account and quit whining. Don't want the extra features? Don't get them. $4 and change per month isn't that bad. Go back to stealing all your software and MP3's and while you're at it balance all the FREE software that Apple gives you against this service which costs Apple a lot of money to maintain.

re: Powermacs. Apple never promised anything. I really want/need a new machine but oh well, let's wait till August to complain about that.

New iPods...Holy crap these are dope! Anyone want a used 5gig? how about the fact that an iPod is now a very viable substitute for a PDA? I'm impressed.
 
Originally posted by moJoMR

He said right during the god dam expo that the upgrade would be 19.99 to cover shipping and handling just like 10.1 was last year (which isn't exactly an honest price considering the actual shipping is something like 3.20)... IT'S NOT $129 IF YOU OWN OS X SO CALM THE FUHCK DOWN!
Click to expand...

Wrong, man. Here's a quote right of Apple's web site:

If you purchase a qualifying new Macintosh that does not have Mac OS X version 10.2 Jaguar on or after July 17, 2002, you can upgrade to Jaguar for US$19.95.
Click to expand...

Click here to go see for yourself

dh
 
Apple up-to-date program

The Up-to-date program is $19.95 - everyone else pays $129.

www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

Your Macintosh is a state-of-the-art computer, engineered for power, speed and ease of use. It is ready for Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar” which significantly enhances the modern foundation of Mac OS X ...

Apple would like to give you the opportunity to upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar.” Customers who purchase a qualifying new Macintosh computer on or after July 17, 2002, that does not have Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar” included can upgrade to Mac OS X v10.2 “Jaguar” for US$19.95.* See “Terms and Conditions” for program details.

The program ends on October 31, 2002. Your order must be postmarked or faxed by October 31, 2002, so order your upgrade now.
Click to expand...
 
Hotmail is not free. I wish people would stop saying it is.

Not only is it laden down with ads, and laden down with spam. But if you want to access it from anything other than your browser, you'll have to pay them for the privilege. I believe Yahoo! mail is now the same.
 
ayee

hmm.. ive used jaguar and i dont think its worth that price at all.. if you watched the expo remember how things kept not working? ichat has the most probs.. i hope this 'surprise' shipping date doesnt mean they're done fixing it
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back