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If Apple had sold the two as a $58 bundle, then everyone would be forced to buy Apple’s adapter. Is that really what people would prefer?
They could easily sell the bundle at $39 and still have an absurd margin. We're talking maybe $5 worth of materials here. More likely the price would have been $49 as a bundle.
 
I wonder how much of this is safety related on Apple's part. I think the whole Note 7 fiasco still scares the hell out of them and that they don't trust other manufacturers charging bricks to be used with their products for fear of overheating and potentially causing a fire.
Doesn't really jive with them not including chargers with the iPhones then. If they want to maintain control over the charging, then they should have bundled the charger. As it is, I have pretty much no intention of buying an Apple branded charger ever since 3rd party items tend to be more capable for the same money (or cheaper for the same capability).
 
So definitely not getting MagSafe then, I won't buy into Apple's environmental spiel to sell more chargers. Regular and way cheaper QI for overnight and Lightning for fast charging it is.

Anyone who thinks this whole 'Environment' angle is anything but a convenient marketing side-effect to a large cost saving operation is wonderfully naïve and playing right into Apple's hands.
 
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Anyone who uses "wireless" chargers knows that they are a giant energy waste. 40 to 80% of the power consumption ends up being transformed into heat instead of fueling up the battery, depending on the quality of the charger. Ok it will not create a spike in your power bill but if billions of phone users around the world start charging "wirelessly" its bad for the environment.

I don't understand why people would use it anyway. The charging pad is still wired, you waste energy and its way slower. Most people don't need it. In some cases it's great, like when you have multiple devices what would usually need adapters like one device needs USB-C and another needs Lightning. Or when its built into the furniture, so you just place the device on the table in your coffeeshop or on your work desk. But most people don't need it.
 
Anyone who uses "wireless" chargers knows that they are a giant energy waste. 40 to 80% of the power consumption ends up being transformed into heat instead of fueling up the battery, depending on the quality of the charger. Ok it will not create a spike in your power bill but if billions of phone users around the world start charging "wirelessly" its bad for the environment.

I don't understand why people would use it anyway. The charging pad is still wired, you waste energy and its way slower. Most people don't need it. In some cases it's great, like when you have multiple devices what would usually need adapters like one device needs USB-C and another needs Lightning. Or when its built into the furniture, so you just place the device on the table in your coffeeshop or on your work desk. But most people don't need it.
It's nice for overnight charging. After I'm done with whatever I'm doing with the phone, I just place it on the charger. Don't have to fiddle with finding the cable and plugging it into the port in the dark. MagSafe kinda defeats that aspect since it doesn't stay put. For now I just taped it to my night stand, and I'll probably 3d print something to make it less fiddly.
 
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Anyone who uses "wireless" chargers knows that they are a giant energy waste. 40 to 80% of the power consumption ends up being transformed into heat instead of fueling up the battery, depending on the quality of the charger. Ok it will not create a spike in your power bill but if billions of phone users around the world start charging "wirelessly" its bad for the environment.

I don't understand why people would use it anyway. The charging pad is still wired, you waste energy and its way slower. Most people don't need it. In some cases it's great, like when you have multiple devices what would usually need adapters like one device needs USB-C and another needs Lightning. Or when its built into the furniture, so you just place the device on the table in your coffeeshop or on your work desk. But most people don't need it.

I guess they waste less energy with MagSafe as the coils are aligned, but Lighting is still saving energy.
I think Qi is great as you say is public places, so everyone can charge a device even if he doesn't have a cable but
I hope Lighting will still be an option on the next iPhone, as I want to be able to charge my device via a cable.
What I like about MagSafe is the ability to have a battery pack magnetically attached to my phone, so I can have a single battery for all my devices instead of buying a single battery case for each one of them.
 
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It's nice for overnight charging. After I'm done with whatever I'm doing with the phone, I just place it on the charger. Don't have to fiddle with finding the cable and plugging it into the port in the dark. MagSafe kinda defeats that aspect since it doesn't stay put. For now I just taped it to my night stand, and I'll probably 3d print something to make it less fiddly.
Doesn't stay put ? The MagSafe charger stays put just fine. In fact it is quite a strong hold between the magnets as far as I am concerned.
 
Doesn't stay put ? The MagSafe charger stays put just fine. In fact it is quite a strong hold between the magnets as far as I am concerned.
only on the 12. For anything else it is smaller than a "standard" Qi charger, more difficult to use and performs wose than a standard Qi charger [for 5 times the cost!].
 
All haters griping aside, the real question unanswered (so much for professionalism of YouTube reviewers) is why. Some of the chargers (pixel) are only 18 watts, given the inefficiency of wireless charging , not unexpected). But what is going on with the other chargers, APPLE certainly can’t tell the vendor of the input electricity. Given the article specifically says it is tightly thermally controlled (for safety and battery longevity) could it be a thermal problem? I guess it would be nice for someone who takes the time to review these things to actually provide an answer (LOL yah right)

my personal experience with Qi is that it sucks in general, never got good results from any charger ever. But then, I have plenty of cables and ports on power strips, outlets, old charging bricks, PCs - don’t need any new ones to fill a landfill
 
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Doesn't really jive with them not including chargers with the iPhones then. If they want to maintain control over the charging, then they should have bundled the charger. As it is, I have pretty much no intention of buying an Apple branded charger ever since 3rd party items tend to be more capable for the same money (or cheaper for the same capability).
Yeah that's a great point. Well you pretty much destroyed that little theory I had lol.
 
I’ve never been a fan of any wireless charging solutions due to the slower charging speeds and not being able to use your phone while charging. While the MagSafe is a move in the right direction, I don’t see it as a better solution in any way to the lightning cable. It’s widely expected that Apple will do away entirely with the lightning port in the next iPhone but will need to further improve upon MagSafe for me to fully embrace it. This is one of the reasons I allowed myself to upgrade to the iPhone 12 Pro as I suspect I’ll be holding onto it for a couple years while wireless charging gets up to speed (pun intended).
 
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Nevermind, I found it.


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So it runs 20W at 9V/2.22A. So that's the key thing - if the power adapter doesn't support 9V at that current, it's not going to be able to properly power the Magsafe 15W charger.

This one looks like it could do it:

 
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Doesn't really jive with them not including chargers with the iPhones then. If they want to maintain control over the charging, then they should have bundled the charger. As it is, I have pretty much no intention of buying an Apple branded charger ever since 3rd party items tend to be more capable for the same money (or cheaper for the same capability).
If one wans 15w charging for the iphone 12, magsafe is the only way to get it. Otherwise, it appears, one is limited to 7.5 watt qi charging.
So definitely not getting MagSafe then, I won't buy into Apple's environmental spiel to sell more chargers. Regular and way cheaper QI for overnight and Lightning for fast charging it is.

Anyone who thinks this whole 'Environment' angle is anything but a convenient marketing side-effect to a large cost saving operation is wonderfully naïve and playing right into Apple's hands.
I think it's everything and no-angle is right or wrong. Environment, keeping prices level with last year, selling Apple gear with more capability than the standards. Nobody has to buy into this, one will do what they want.
 
There is a trend in California regulatory circles these days to essentially virtue signal by passing laws that look good on the surface but have no path to compliance. This is essentially the same thing within that culture. The regulations and/or initiatives are wrapped in environmental goodness yet at the end of the day, the lack of foresight and compromise actually makes the problem worse. This happens largely because the users and SME’s of the technology were not listened to. Cogent efforts at promoting reasonable solutions get trammeled by louder, PC voices with specious arguments.
Apple- we see through your game.
 
This is such a dick move!

So far I was all aboard the not including power bricks: I mean who cares whether Apple did it for the money or not? It is still better for the environment and lowers greenhouse gasses while most people have more than enough of the standard 5 W versions. I also didn't mind the new iPhones did not have USB C because I thought we were going to portless anyway and the wireless charging was Qi on Android as well so we would finally have the same way to charge our phones.

But this? No one can defend this. I'm all for having no ports on the iPhone, especially when there would be no notch so the phone has no up or down side, but if that means we're going back to proprietary Apple scamming technology, no thanks.
 
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Funny. Here I’m thinking those of us with chargers get to save a little instead of being forced to buy a charger. Apple can do no right in some peoples eyes.

Also, no one is forcing anyone to buy this. One can get a really cheap Anker wireless charger on Amazon .... I’ve got two of them and use them for my phone and AirPods.

People love to complain today.
 
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Anyone know what's shipping with the Pro Max? A standard cable, or a Magsafe puck?

The gods willing, we might have one in the house soon, and wanted to be prepared.

Hmm, USB-C to Lightning CABLE. BOO!!! *shrug* It doesn't look like there are any options to the faster charging Apple stuff. Dang...
 
U believe the way other adapters achieve higher Qi-based charging speeds is by changing their voltage dynamically while still allowing the same amount of current draw, thus providing more power. I would imagine Apple is doing a similar thing with its latest 20W charger, and the older chargers are unable to change voltages, hence they are unable to provide the total current draw.

With that Anker charger - I wonder, was it tested with a USB-C to USB-C cable, or did you try testing USB-A to USB-C? The USB-A port is the voltage changing port on that I think... It would be an interesting test to see if that Anker adapter can achieve higher speeds via USB-A to USB-C.
 
If one wans 15w charging for the iphone 12, magsafe is the only way to get it. Otherwise, it appears, one is limited to 7.5 watt qi charging.
I was referring to the bricks themselves.

I did buy the MagSafe puck, though I do find it poorly designed. Fast wireless charging isn't really a priority for me anyway. Lightning is still much faster. Wireless is more for convenience, especially when I want to charge overnight. In which case 7.5w is plenty.
 
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