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Isn’t that how they BECOME biggest in the first place?
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MagSafe Charger Only Charges at Full 15W Speeds With Apple's 20W Power Adapter [Updated]
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So, they take out a completely simple charging brick from the box in the name of environmentalism. Them push hard to buy this magsafe which is nothing more than a gimmick. This is pure business because lightening connectors with small charging brick included in the iphone boxes is way better for environment than to buy the much bigger magsafe and a seperate charging brick which comes in separate boxes. Oh, the separate accessories also use separate transportation. We all have been fooled by Tim Crook. It has nothing to do with environment but everything to do with profit. Time will tell and Apple will be on its trough sooner than we anticipated it.
This is just wow. What average user (one who hasn't even heard of MBrumors) would even know that this is happening.
I get that Apple wants to choose the safe option, but c'mon, this seems like bad practice to hide the information from the user, especially those who planned to use their own third-party chargers.
Can save the planet my ass.
I get that Apple wants to choose the safe option, but c'mon, this seems like bad practice to hide the information from the user, especially those who planned to use their own third-party chargers.
Can save the planet my ass.
MagSafe is getting awfully lots of negative press nowadays. I don't know what's the beef with Apple?
First, the 15watts Magsafe charging only works with iPhone 12 models.
Second, it works awfully slow even with Apple's own older iPhones.
Third, 15 watts only works with 20 watts USB-C brick from Apple. Why? 20 watts is 20 watts and as long as it supports USB-C Power Delivery, then it should work.
MagSafe + 20 watts Apple brick is a custom charging system that could potentially break its compatibility anytime. Next year Apple could've introduce Magsafe 2 with 30 watts wireless charging that only works with iPhone 13.. and so on, and so forth.
Get along with USB-C, Apple.. please?!
First, the 15watts Magsafe charging only works with iPhone 12 models.
Second, it works awfully slow even with Apple's own older iPhones.
Third, 15 watts only works with 20 watts USB-C brick from Apple. Why? 20 watts is 20 watts and as long as it supports USB-C Power Delivery, then it should work.
MagSafe + 20 watts Apple brick is a custom charging system that could potentially break its compatibility anytime. Next year Apple could've introduce Magsafe 2 with 30 watts wireless charging that only works with iPhone 13.. and so on, and so forth.
Get along with USB-C, Apple.. please?!
On one hand, I’m not seeing how this is a rip off. If it shipped with a charger in the box, it’d be the same 5w we’ve always had. That would be useless with the puck so you’d still need to shell out for the 20w for use with the puck anyway. We have a dozen or more 5w chargers at home, most of which are 5w Apple.
On the other hand, wireless charging for me means being able to place my phone on a charging Matt one handed, and picking it up again when I need it. No fussing with a cable, despite one being there. With the puck it’s going to be a two handed affair, especially to pick the phone up again, unless I glue it to the table. It’s no more convenient than a cable at that point.
On the other hand, wireless charging for me means being able to place my phone on a charging Matt one handed, and picking it up again when I need it. No fussing with a cable, despite one being there. With the puck it’s going to be a two handed affair, especially to pick the phone up again, unless I glue it to the table. It’s no more convenient than a cable at that point.
Don't worry, by the time they remove the port, there will be plenty of options in the market along with magsafe 2.0 with a much better design and more compatibility. As this is now, it is just poor ingeneering: magsafe will leave marks on the case, it is exactly as convenient as plugging the lightning cable (still needs to be attached and it is connected to a charger) and even under the best circumstances will be slower in charging the phone than the regular cable connection. And that is even assuming you spend the 60 bucks it costs in combination with the 20W charger as opposed to paying nothing for the current combination most of us have: 18W + lightning cable.
Forgetting all the issues regarding MagSafe charging efficiency and need for a specific charging block to hit the claimed max output, the thing that gets me is how the product just feels like it is incomplete or unfinished.
I really like the idea of using magnets to align and hold a charging coil in place. It’s classic Apple simplicity in its purest form, but it surely cannot be finished as is. From the small size of the puck itself, to the short length of the cable, how you use it has very few scenarios.
Without needing an extension cord, where could Apple have thought we would be able to plug it in where it will reach to a table top or desk where charging our iPhone would happen?
Because of power demands, you’re not even going to be able to plug it into a MacBook Pro or Air, so that scenario is out.
Then you get to the puck and how you have to use two hands to remove it once you’re done charging with it. One hand to hold your iPhone and the other to slide or pry the puck off. Sure, this is a simple physical action, but it’s no simpler than unplugging a Lightning cable.
Thinking about how magnets work and a different product Apple made that should have been inspiration for the MagSafe charger, their Magic Keyboard Folio was made to hold the iPad in place while using, then to easily be able to pop it off when you want to work without the keyboard. So picture a stand that holds the iPhone much like the MK holds the iPad, suspended so that it’s floating above a table or desk. You could very easily just pop the iPhone off the charger when needed. And if the angle of the stand was adjustable like the MK is, you could set it up so that it’s perfectly angled for glancing at the iPhone whether you’re lying in bed and it’s on a bedside table, or when you’re at a desk working and you can just glance down at it.
But Apple didn’t make this product. Maybe third parties will produce stands that hold the MagSafe puck in place, sort of like how stand makers figured out how to incorporate the Watch charger into their stands. I’m guessing we will start to see things like this in the coming year.
But as is, the product seems to be half baked at best, in my opinion.
I really like the idea of using magnets to align and hold a charging coil in place. It’s classic Apple simplicity in its purest form, but it surely cannot be finished as is. From the small size of the puck itself, to the short length of the cable, how you use it has very few scenarios.
Without needing an extension cord, where could Apple have thought we would be able to plug it in where it will reach to a table top or desk where charging our iPhone would happen?
Because of power demands, you’re not even going to be able to plug it into a MacBook Pro or Air, so that scenario is out.
Then you get to the puck and how you have to use two hands to remove it once you’re done charging with it. One hand to hold your iPhone and the other to slide or pry the puck off. Sure, this is a simple physical action, but it’s no simpler than unplugging a Lightning cable.
Thinking about how magnets work and a different product Apple made that should have been inspiration for the MagSafe charger, their Magic Keyboard Folio was made to hold the iPad in place while using, then to easily be able to pop it off when you want to work without the keyboard. So picture a stand that holds the iPhone much like the MK holds the iPad, suspended so that it’s floating above a table or desk. You could very easily just pop the iPhone off the charger when needed. And if the angle of the stand was adjustable like the MK is, you could set it up so that it’s perfectly angled for glancing at the iPhone whether you’re lying in bed and it’s on a bedside table, or when you’re at a desk working and you can just glance down at it.
But Apple didn’t make this product. Maybe third parties will produce stands that hold the MagSafe puck in place, sort of like how stand makers figured out how to incorporate the Watch charger into their stands. I’m guessing we will start to see things like this in the coming year.
But as is, the product seems to be half baked at best, in my opinion.
iPhone 11 came with 18W charger which allows to get almost the same power from magsafe than the 20W charger (13 vs 15W), so no to your first point. To your second point, that is what makes the whole thing ridiculous: it is not more convenient than connecting the lightning cable. It is essentially the same and at best you will get lower charging speeds than what you get now with the cable.
Actually, pure simplicity would have been to design the mat they had promised where you just throw the phone and it gets charged. Magsafe is essentially the same as a lightning cable in terms of usability except that instead of putting a cable into a whole, you put a magnet in the back of the phone. Still need two hands to do it unless you glue the charger to the table.
Only works with Apple’s newest charger, leaves marks on cases, super slow on non-12, consumes more power, deactivate rfid and magnet stripes, is not strong enough to safely hold the wallet accessory why being too strong to be tripping-proof as the name would require, is basically a cable attached via a magnet instead of a port. I feel like this "innovation" days are numbered
At the very least a first-gen product from another company than Apple. Un-Apple like for sure.
That's what a company gets when it spins a cost-cutting tactic as an environmentalist move.
So you’d rather only have the option of a $58 MagSafe bundle, rather than a separate $39 charger and $19 adapter?
Everyone has to buy the Apple version, that’s better?
What’s the controversy? A $39 charger requires a $19 adapter 🤷♂️ So what? Soon Anker and others will make compatible adapters, so people will have a choice.
If Apple had sold the two as a $58 bundle, then everyone would be forced to buy Apple’s adapter. Is that really what people would prefer?
You’re conflating the iPhone adapter with the MagSafe adapter.
MagSafe and it’s 20W adapter requirement has nothing at all to do with a couple billion people already having adapters—20W adapters not needed—that can charge their iPhones with an old (or the included) cable.
So they can buy a $10 adapter 🤷♂️
That edge case is not worth Apple cranking out another 250 million power adapters year after year—and everyone having to pay for yet another one of them, whether it’s needed or not.
I guess most people won't notice the difference between 12w and 15w charging etc but it feels very poorly executed on Apple's side with the inconsistencies between cables, plugs, included/excluded accessories with this launch. It detracts from, if not totally undermines, the environmental messaging.
I have one and I'll keep it because I charge overnight and it looks better than my Morphie one which has a bright light that's annoying on my bedside table but it's a distant second to what AirPower could have been.
I have one and I'll keep it because I charge overnight and it looks better than my Morphie one which has a bright light that's annoying on my bedside table but it's a distant second to what AirPower could have been.
15W? What a frickin ripoff. I don’t have time waiting 2hrs for my phone to fully charge.
Overstep the line and that is how they fall down.
Although this is likely not it. People will be annoyed a bit, but still buy it. But it can add up over the years.
I wonder how much of this is safety related on Apple's part. I think the whole Note 7 fiasco still scares the hell out of them and that they don't trust other manufacturers charging bricks to be used with their products for fear of overheating and potentially causing a fire.
My reason for saying this is that Apple knew this would be discovered so there must be a reason behind it besides "We only want you to buy our charging brick." They know how bad that will look after their environment speech to everyone so I can't imagine this decision was SOLELY driven by profit.
My reason for saying this is that Apple knew this would be discovered so there must be a reason behind it besides "We only want you to buy our charging brick." They know how bad that will look after their environment speech to everyone so I can't imagine this decision was SOLELY driven by profit.
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Just charge overnight then there is no rush.The newer iPhones have all day battery life unless you can't keep your hands off it all day! Personally,i think that if people can't leave their phone alone for a couple of hours or so whilst it charges then they have a serious addiction problem.
After MANY decades of this situation you eventually become numb to it - love and hate intermingle until the once vibrant rainbow becomes grey.